Geno and the Super Bowl

[SoulfishHawk]

So, if Geno was to actually get some comeback wins, he's amazing. If other QB's do it, it's just luck. You either have a killer instinct at the end of the game or you don't. Regardless what people think of the former guy, he was one of the best closers the league has ever seen, period.
Hopefully Geno can show some of that killer instinct too. He made SEVERAL questionable decisions last year, MANY that were easy dropped interceptions.
Magically, it gets swept under the rug. Nobody is saying he isn't a good QB, he flat out is really good. Great, and a clutch QB? That remains to be seen.

bent out of shape responses in 3.....2......1........

 

[Mizak]

The title should be more like “Geno vs Elite NFL Teams” and if you see the games, he plays kinda below average. Putting up only 10 points vs the Chiefs last year when that defense was average was sorry for Geno’s caliber. And lets not get into how the 49ers made Geno look against them even tho he was “efficient.”

This year, 49ers 2x, Bengals, Eagles, maybe Cowboys. I‘m gonna make a pretty accurate assessment and say that Geno will play the same way against these teams just like how he played against the elite teams last year. If Geno can beat an Elite Team in the NFL, then we should talk about Super Bowl.

 

[hoxrox]

Those who constantly bring up the "4th quarter comebacks" surely also remember the "zero points in the 1st and 2nd quarters?" The reason why we had to "comeback" in the first place?

As for the killer instinct, remember that 3rd and long conversion to Lockett after the BS penalty?



That was one of the best plays from Geno last season. He read the defense, and it was a sure strike for the 1st down.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

Raiders game. Had the ball TWICE with a chance to get a game winning drive. Did absolutely nothing.
If you think he's a go for the throat, nails when the game is on the line type QB, that's fine. I'm just waiting to see it. And hopefully we will see it a LOT.
The problem on here is that you can't have an opinion on the guy w/out people claiming that it has something to do with the former guy. No, it doesn't at all. I'm talking about GENO. The irony is that many of the people who act like this guy is a cold blooded killer are the ones who actually hated the former guy.
Why make it personal? One has nothing to do with the other. I like Geno a lot as a QB, but he still has a lot to prove. Just my opinion. If that ruffles feathers, so be it. Geno had a good season, really good. But he also had a lot of chances to win games when it counted.

 

[Maelstrom787]

Raiders game. Had the ball TWICE with a chance to get a game winning drive. Did absolutely nothing.
If you think he's a go for the throat, nails when the game is on the line type QB, that's fine. I'm just waiting to see it. And hopefully we will see it a LOT.
The problem on here is that you can't have an opinion on the guy w/out people claiming that it has something to do with the former guy. No, it doesn't at all. I'm talking about GENO. The irony is that many of the people who act like this guy is a cold blooded killer are the ones who actually hated the former guy.
Why make it personal? One has nothing to do with the other. I like Geno a lot as a QB, but he still has a lot to prove. Just my opinion. If that ruffles feathers, so be it. Geno had a good season, really good. But he also had a lot of chances to win games when it counted.

They held the lead for the large majority of the fourth quarter, and the drives ended on quick-pressure sacks. The offense put up 34, as Geno continued to be one of the most productive passers in the league. The defense got embarrassed, yet again getting gashed for an insane rushing performance, including an emasculating rush of over 80 yards to end the game.

The "killer instinct" stuff is just an increasingly hacky discussion that lacks context the majority of the time. People use some mythical "clutch" catchall to explain away losses that are much more easily explained by what actually happened in the game. Its nonsense.

In that game, Geno yet again played like a top-5 quarterback and the defense played like the absolute worst in the league. Attributing the win or loss to him while ignoring his large individual contributions is lazy. Wins and losses are not a quarterback stat.

 

[Maelstrom787]

Oh, and the previous guy gets brought up because he was the quarterback for a decade straight prior to this. He's the guy to compare to. Just as simple as that.

 

[hoxrox]

Raiders game, Geno didn't have much help from the run game OR the defense at all.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

Oh, and the previous guy gets brought up because he was the quarterback for a decade straight prior to this. He's the guy to compare to. Just as simple as that

They held the lead for the large majority of the fourth quarter, and the drives ended on quick-pressure sacks. The offense put up 34, as Geno continued to be one of the most productive passers in the league. The defense got embarrassed, yet again getting gashed for an insane rushing performance, including an emasculating rush of over 80 yards to end the game.

The "killer instinct" stuff is just an increasingly hacky discussion that lacks context the majority of the time. People use some mythical "clutch" catchall to explain away losses that are much more easily explained by what actually happened in the game. Its nonsense.

In that game, Geno yet again played like a top-5 quarterback and the defense played like the absolute worst in the league. Attributing the win or loss to him while ignoring his large individual contributions is lazy. Wins and losses are not a quarterback stat.

like clockwork

We all get it, you're the smartest person here. You've never been wrong about anything. Nobody compares. And Geno is God.
Death, Taxas and you being condescending and acting like everyone else is stupid.
Congrats, you're really good at it.

 

[Shanegotyou11]

Yep, he's a starting QB who has never won a playoff game, and had one comeback win. Is he capable of getting to the SB? Hopefully. He's our QB for at least another year. Russ WAS one of the better QB's for much of his career, not close to the best, but damn good. He's long gone and this team has moved forward and is on the rise. Let's see how it plays out. I'm glad Geno is the QB, but the level of butthurt if anyone dare say one thing that isn't about him floating in mid air is odd. QB is the most scrutinized position in sports. So not everyone thinks he walks on water, big fricken deal.
Everything Shane said is on point. Not all of us can be the "expert" that some actually believe they are. All while talking down to them like they are some almighty Rob Staton know it all. But, it's not going to change. We don't all get along, and that's fine. Getting personal and doing the I know best thing is really old and used up. NONE of us are experts, ALL of us get predictions or claims wrong. So what? We're all Hawks fans, or at least I THINK we are
Then again, if someone can't even admit that they were wrong about a claim/prediction etc. why bother even having the conversation? He thinks he knows more than everyone, and doesn't mind tell you about it. Everyone else is stupid, and he's a genius. Got it.
Go Hawks

Awesome post and really well said. I have swung and missed. I have a been right sometimes. That really does not matter in the Grand Scheme of things. Why? 99% of us are never, ever going to be signed to make decisions for Seattle.

I love discussion. I love debates. It makes this forum and life go round. It is when you start talking down to ppl on a consistent basis is where things become a issue. Or, when you swing and miss plenty but love to magnify others shortcomings.

This is a football forum. Nobody is better then anyone. Go Hawks.

 

[keasley45]

Ppl are mad because of the divorce and what Russ became ego wise. It clouds the judgement.

Bruh,

Russ was figured out long before the trade, when it was unfashionable to suggest his poop stank like everybody elses.

And if you want to argue eliteness, i get it. You cant argue his accuracy and ability to create. But i challenge you to find another elite qb who had to have glaring weaknesses like not being abke to read defenses, covered up by his coach and 'offensive coordinators'. There are no elite qbs who couldnt read defenses.

Wilson's talents were elite. His skills. His improvisation. But when its all said and done, when his complete self is exposed by the coach who was his hand selected choice, Russ will be mentioned in the same breath as other uber talanted fringe HOF / Hall of 'Great' qbs who posted stretches of incredble play, but had obvious holes in their games that kept them from reaching true greatness.

And count me one who is incredibky thankful for the memories he created of him tenure. His grit. His tenacity. His human highlight real. Also count me relieved he's no longer the handcuffed center of an offense that rose and fell at his feet.

 

[Maelstrom787]

Raiders game, Geno didn't have much help from the run game OR the defense at all.

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Seriously - what the hell is Geno expected to do against this?

 

[Maelstrom787]

like clockwork

We all get it, you're the smartest person here. You've never been wrong about anything. Nobody compares. And Geno is God.
Death, Taxas and you being condescending and acting like everyone else is stupid.
Congrats, you're really good at it.

Sorry to have victimized you with a post about football. I hope you'll recover.

 

[Maelstrom787]

Awesome post and really well said. I have swung and missed. I have a been right sometimes. That really does not matter in the Grand Scheme of things.

Then why do I have an angry PM from you from less than a year ago angrily stating that "you've been right more than you've been wrong?"

Seems weirdly defensive for something that doesn't matter.

 

[Ozzy]

Tell that to KJ, ADB, Sherm and everyone else who's come out and stated the opposite.

The SB fail was just the ultimate last straw.

It wasn't the worst playcall of all time. It's a route that led to the rulebook being rewritten because it was so incredibly effective, and we screwed it up.

And it's well documented that PC not holding Russ accountable, ... ever is what led to the split. The entire LOB didn't show up on week 1 of the 22 season to support Russ for surviving Pete. They showed up to support PC and the Hawks against Russ.

I still think people are overstating this because they hate Russ. Every single member of that team outside of Sherman has come out and spoken highly of Russ. They might not like how Pete treated the QB(but every QB is treated this way) but they all say the same thing. I keep thinking they are going to say something negative and they don't. WIthin the past year KJ, Lynch, Tyler, Kam etc have all said they love the guy. Sherman tried to bait Lynch into saying something bad and he said he loved him like a brother and that he was a warrior out there. Now Earl hasn't said anything but that probably is for a reason lol.

That play failed because Kearse didn't do his job and your 5th WR ran a poor route. If that same play is ran with Baldwin and literally anyone who gets in Browners way it's a touchdown or an incomplete pass.

 

[Ozzy]

Don't give logic to these people their heads will explode. RW was great Geno is shit, just listen to the prevailing wisdom and fall in line please!

Geno led the league in turnover worthy throws and by luck also had the fewest % of those plays picked off. Geno surprised me a ton last year and I'm hopeful he can have an even better year this year but he had some things he surely needs to shore up this year. Getting JSN should help.

 

[rcaido]

Those who constantly bring up the "4th quarter comebacks" surely also remember the "zero points in the 1st and 2nd quarters?" The reason why we had to "comeback" in the first place?

The other guy had a top 10 offense 8 out 10 seasons. Probably 9 if he didn't get injured. While doing it with less attempts. They are obviously scoring more points then most teams. Isn't that what matters, instead of trying to cherry pick a stat? He has 35 GWD 27 4th quarter comeback. Im pretty sure you're wrong w/ the 0 points in the 1st and 2nd quarter. Let me check stats on this.

2012
vs Packers 0, 7, 0, 7
vs Patriots 10, 0, 0, 14
vs Bears 0, 10, 0, 7, 6

2013
vs Panther 0, 3, 3, 6
vs Texans 3, 0, 3, 14, 3
vs Bucs 0, 7, 7, 10, 3

2014
vs Panthers 0, 3, 3, 7

2015
vs Cowboys 3, 7,0, 3
vs Stealers 0, 14, 6, 19

2016
vs Dolphins 3, 3, 0, 6
vs Falcons 7, 10, 0, 9
vs Patirots 6, 13, 3, 9


2017
vs 49ers 6, 0, 0, 6
vs Texans 14, 7, 6, 14

2018
vs Packers 3, 14, 0 10
vs Panthers 0, 10, 7, 13

2019
vs Bengals, 0, 14, 0, 7
vs Rams, 7, 7, 7, 9
vs Browns 6, 12, 7, 7
vs Bucs 7, 6, 8, 13, 6

2020
vs Cowboys 9, 14, 7, 8
vs Vikings 0, 0, 21, 6
vs 49ers 3, 3, 0, 20

So it looks like, the only time was against the Vikings.

If Wilson gets 3 more game winning drives, he will be in the top 10 all time. He currently has 35 Game Winning Drives. He is tied w/ Moon and already has more then Rodgers, Montana, Kelly, & Tarkenton w/ less seasons. Also to note, Wilson had 20 games in which the Seahawks had the lead in the 4th quarter but lost. 13 of those were w/ the LOB. 15 if you add the playoffs/sb.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

Sorry to have victimized you with a post about football. I hope you'll recover.

 

[CallMeADawg]

Raiders game, Geno didn't have much help from the run game OR the defense at all.

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Exactly, but the Geno haters will just blame him if we don't win a game. Low effort peanut gallery takes.

 

[CallMeADawg]

Geno led the league in turnover worthy throws and by luck also had the fewest % of those plays picked off. Geno surprised me a ton last year and I'm hopeful he can have an even better year this year but he had some things he surely needs to shore up this year. Getting JSN should help.

Yep, totally by luck. Geno actually had a rabbits foot in his pants the whole time.

 

[Hawk4life]

This issue will remain unresolved as long as Geno is the QB. As fans we can accept having a QB that can't dominate through the air but we need a defense and run game to warrant it.

We learned that RW wasn't able to carry the team and now are expected to accept that Geno is. But now, he could be if we can run and defend. But that wasn't even a possibility with RW.