FA targets

[renofox]

We can't go crazy in free agency but neither can most other teams. We're actually in a much better spot than many, particularly compared to our key rivals. Note that the Eagles are in deceptively poor shape because practically their entire defense is hitting free agency and therefore not included in 2023 cap numbers.

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There could be some decent FA values to be had. It's probably also a good opportunity to sign extensions at reasonable rates (brooks, nwosu, harris).

This chart has no axis for # of players under contract. It is good for indicating the # of players that a team can acquire, but is meaningless in providing any metric for how complete the finished product may be.

Seahawks are near the bottom of # of players under contract, and especially quality of players under contract. Effective cap space is actually minimal, and if Geno is re-signed at a high salary (or if the NEFT is used) it is actually negative.

After years of roster/cap mismanagement, hitting on last year's draft brought the roster up from bottom-dweller to sub-mediocre. With lots of draft capital this year, if PCJS nail the draft again it can bring the roster up to slightly above mediocre. If they pay Geno the big $, that's where the roster stays.

If they draft a QB and stick with Lock (or equivalent) they will have enough free agent $ to maybe raise the roster to borderline playoff competitive status.

I'd rather gamble on a cheap QB who may be able to perform near Geno level, along with a possibly competitive roster than be stuck with a roster that will not be competitive enough to matter.

 

[SonicHawk]

The draft is where we're going to fill in a lot of starters. I know this is absurd to suggest, but I think there's a chance we move up in an early round. We need impact players and free agency is going to be a struggle with a QB contract looming.

I'd like to pick up a CB in FA. Someone like a Jonathan Jones, Emmanuel Mosley or Cameron Sutton.

 

[massari]

A practical look at the 2023 salary cap for the Seahawks – Seahawks Draft Blog

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We do not have significant cap space.

As such, we need to look for bang for your buck signings like Andrew Billings or Armon Watts. Maybe stretch the money a little with Khalen Saunders as our replacements for Al Woods.

ILB is a lot more complicated this offseason.

It’s not difficult to create cap space​

It's why the same blogger who wrote that piece is currently advocating to sign Daron Payne.

 

[BASF]

It’s not difficult to create cap space​

It's why the same blogger who wrote that piece is currently advocating to sign Daron Payne.

You keep saying that and then you throw out signing someone who will cost more than we were paying the guys who you want to cut to get there.

 

[chris98251]

Might want to talk to the Browns, Dolphins, 49ers, Jets, about how easy signing a cheap QB makes you competitive......

 

[onanygivensunday]

They have 26 guys under roster for next year, not much cap ...

overthecap.com has us currently at 48 players under contract after signing a number to futures contracts.

And I agree... not much cap to spend... only $19M in "effective cap space"... and neither Geno or Lock under contract.

John and Pete have a LONG way to go to fill out this roster before next September.

 

[ElvisInBlue]

It’s not difficult to create cap space​

It's why the same blogger who wrote that piece is currently advocating to sign Daron Payne.

It’s not about the difficulty, it’s about the consequences.

You can only create additional cap room by subtracting talent or shifting financial liabilities into future years, usually a combination of both.

 

[KinesProf]

Ideally, I think you need to come out of free agency with an additional proven starter at interior offensive line and interior defensive line, so as to not have to force need during the draft. A top of market guy like Daron Payne would be cool, but maybe not prudent. Nwosu equivalent value and quality would be ideal.

 

[renofox]

Ideally, I think you need to come out of free agency with an additional proven starter at interior offensive line and interior defensive line, so as to not have to force need during the draft. A top of market guy like Daron Payne would be cool, but maybe not prudent. Nwosu equivalent value and quality would be ideal.

Agreed 100%. And they won't be able to do that if Geno is re-signed.

 

[massari]

It’s not about the difficulty, it’s about the consequences.

You can only create additional cap room by subtracting talent or shifting financial liabilities into future years, usually a combination of both.

They can extend talented difference makers, they can subtract overpaid players whose cap savings can fetch superior talent. Win win.

 

[Ozzy]

overthecap.com has us currently at 48 players under contract after signing a number to futures contracts.

And I agree... not much cap to spend... only $19M in "effective cap space"... and neither Geno or Lock under contract.

John and Pete have a LONG way to go to fill out this roster before next September.

Doe this change tho at a certain date? I’ve seen the 26 number at different places? Thanks for sharing I hope the 48 is correct!

 

[SonicHawk]

Ideally, I think you need to come out of free agency with an additional proven starter at interior offensive line and interior defensive line, so as to not have to force need during the draft. A top of market guy like Daron Payne would be cool, but maybe not prudent. Nwosu equivalent value and quality would be ideal.

Daron Payne would be a game changer in the interior but I don't think we'll be spending $20M a year on anyone besides QB. What about a Shy Tuttle?

 

[seatownlowdown]

Ideally, I think you need to come out of free agency with an additional proven starter at interior offensive line and interior defensive line, so as to not have to force need during the draft. A top of market guy like Daron Payne would be cool, but maybe not prudent. Nwosu equivalent value and quality would be ideal.

daron payne will probably be franchise tagged. so that being said if he is, not only would you have to pay him ~20m/ year, you'll also have to part ways with some high draft capital. i could see us part ways with pick #38. and that's still worth it, imo. he's young, and plays about 80% of downs. people are tossing out deforest buckner, and he'd be a monster 5T for us. buckner could probably be had for much less than payne.

100% agree we need to do something BIG in free agency to address OL and/or DL. can't just go into the draft with all the holes we currently have.

 

[AgentDib]

Seahawks are near the bottom of # of players under contract, and especially quality of players under contract. Effective cap space is actually minimal, and if Geno is re-signed at a high salary (or if the NEFT is used) it is actually negative.

Perhaps you rate our pending UFAs way more highly than I do? Geno is the big one of course, but after that?

Poona Ford, Cody Barton, Travis Homer, Rashaad Penny, Austin Blythe, LJ Collier, Phil Haynes, Nick Bellore, Artie Burns, Drew Lock, Marquise Goodwin, Kyle Fuller, Bruce Irvin, Justin Coleman, Tyler Ott, Josh Jones, Laquon Treadwell, Cullen Gillaspia, Xavier Crawford, Teez Tabor, Darryl Johnson Jr.

Every one of those UFAs is easily replaceable. Preferably by draft picks, or by equally cheap vets, or in most cases they could be re-signed themselves on the cheap if we wanted them back. Maybe if Penny could stay healthy, or if Ford and Barton weren't so disappointing last season I would feel differently. Unfortunately, replacing them all with cheap youth doesn't sound like a down side to me.

 

[AgentDib]

Doe this change tho at a certain date? I’ve seen the 26 number at different places? Thanks for sharing I hope the 48 is correct!

That was before our end of the season moves. We now have 48 players under contract, plus 5 ERFAs who we will re-sign cheaply, plus four RFAs (Neal, Hart, Muse, Jones) of which we will probably re-sign two.

 

[Ozzy]

That was before our end of the season moves. We now have 48 players under contract, plus 5 ERFAs who we will re-sign cheaply, plus four RFAs (Neal, Hart, Muse, Jones) of which we will probably re-sign two.

Gotcha thanks for the update!

 

[ElvisInBlue]

They can extend talented difference makers, they can subtract overpaid players whose cap savings can fetch superior talent. Win win.

Sure, but how much of that low hanging fruit is on the roster?

Cut Gabe Jackson and ??

Seems like all the other cuts mean losing talent and incurring significant dead cap. Adams, Diggs, Dissly, Harris, Jefferson, etc fit category two more than one.

 

[King Dog]

Lavonte David AND draft a LB please por favor

 

[Spin Doctor]

I prefer rookie deals myself. When it comes to free agents, I prefer retaining players already on the roster (based upon merit of course). I'm just a big proponent of continuity. I think it is an underrated aspect of team building. Which leads into my preferred symbiotic cycle. Retain a lot of players on rookie deals and resign the ones that have earned a second contract. You don't necessarily have to draft them all either. The league has 31 other practice squads to sort through. Do this habitually and you keep the cap very manageable. It puts the onus on your player evaluation department to get the job done. There are always exceptions to every rule of course. Just limit yourself to a couple positions of glaring need per year. Bringing in free agents from outside of the organization should be thought of as addressing an emergency situation. Like Seattle's current run defense.

On the other hand, Seattle's 2013 team had quite a few free agents.

Bennett, Avril, McDaniel and McDonald all came from the free agency. Most of our D-Line was comprised of free agents. On offense we also had Zach Miller which was another huge free agent signing.

 

[JPatera76]

I’d like to see Seattle keep Goodwin tbh. He’s been pretty decent and Geno seems to trust him.