Geno wears a wristband. Russ never did...

[Maelstrom787]

Are we really making a big deal about who wears a wristband and who doesnt? Maybe the QB's that wear wristbands are to dumb to memorize the plays. It all just seems petty to me.

If Wilson had memorized the plays, he wouldn't be dreadful at pre-snap reads and wouldn't have been the cause of so many delay penalties - both traits that he's carried to Denver.

Everything about the guy makes it seem like he became fairly uncoachable, and that really starts to bring new perspective to the debates this board has been having for half a decade.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

He's Denver's problem now. Which is a very good thing. This current team is locked in.

 

[Spin Doctor]

Pete doesn’t seem bitter to me. He answered a question honestly and other people ran with it and blew it up.

Carroll has made several snide remarks about Wilson. Even Sherman and Lynch mentioned it on Sherm’s podcast. Carroll has went out of his way to slam Wilson, where as before he would just use PR talk. I’ve never heard him talk about a former player like he is with Wilson.

Sherman and Lynch specifically said “Pete’s funny, when we were there was a nothing leaves the building policy, now that Russ is gone he’s talking”.

He specifically always references Wilson when Geno is brought up. All of his remarks are a departure from Carroll’s normal behavior even towards toxic teammates that were on the hawks.

I definitely think he has a chip on his shoulder and that he has taken things incredibly personally. I definitely think there is beef between the two that didn’t die off with the trade.

 

[SantaClaraHawk]

 

[Donn2390]

It's not unusual for a pain from a bitter divorce to last a very long time. Finding a new, better soulmate (QB) goes a long way towards that end.
Likewise, the partner who wanted out remains bitter for a perceived "Holding back an stifling my career".
Time heals all wounds, time wounds all heels..!

 

[JPatera76]

You are speculating while providing absolutely no evidence. What we do know is Pete all but laid the blame at Russ' feet for not wearing one.

Ultimately you were trying to take a shot at @JPatera76 for actually backing up a statement with evidence. Not cool, and not the type environment we should be fostering on these boards.



Not going to go there with you because it's not appropriate for the main forum. We should stick to the topic at hand instead. I will remind you to attack the post and not the poster. If you want to engage in discussion while disagreeing feel free, but keep this personal stuff to PM. Or just keep it to yourself.

All this precisely.

And while they might not all the time wear a wrist band.. sometimes they do, sometimes they don’t. Russell said he didn’t when he in fact clearly does. I specifically remember countless times seeing him looking at his wrist band as he kneeled or bend over in the huddle.

Other than that, I’m not going to take this conversation any further. Whatever “agenda” you have just needs to stop.

 

[Ozzy]

Are we really making a big deal about who wears a wristband and who doesnt? Maybe the QB's that wear wristbands are to dumb to memorize the plays. It all just seems petty to me.

Apparently we are to the point I got called a moron for thinking it was stupid. I think todays social climate is so binary. Politics, sports etc its ruined discussion and the ability to have fun with this stuff.

 

[SantaClaraHawk]

The one thing Geno Smith is doing that Russell Wilson didn’t

It’s all in the wrist.

www.fieldgulls.com

interesting comment hired about how this is a Carroll psyop. Pete noticed Russ wearing a wristband and baited Russ into suggesting they were meant for pussycats. Now Russ is gonna have to deal with what Russ said.

 

[Ozzy]

Carroll has made several snide remarks about Wilson. Even Sherman and Lynch mentioned it on Sherm’s podcast. Carroll has went out of his way to slam Wilson, where as before he would just use PR talk. I’ve never heard him talk about a former player like he is with Wilson.

Sherman and Lynch specifically said “Pete’s funny, when we were there was a nothing leaves the building policy, now that Russ is gone he’s talking”.

He specifically always references Wilson when Geno is brought up. All of his remarks are a departure from Carroll’s normal behavior even towards toxic teammates that were on the hawks.

I definitely think he has a chip on his shoulder and that he has taken things incredibly personally. I definitely think there is beef between the two that didn’t die off with the trade.

And I know most will disagree because any criticism of Pete is heretical but I'm not a fan of doing this regardless of how anyone feels about Russ. It makes his whole mantra and push for it seem phony. I am hard on Pete at times but the one thing I really loved about him was this type of stuff and the environment he built and preached. It seems odd he's breaking it for this. Not a fan.

Everyone other than Hawkstrong and someone else I can't remember apparently knows that wristbands are sometimes worn by almost everyone and often not worn by the same players depending on situations, where they are playing, crowd noise, are they learning or in a new offense etc. This conversation was always dumb and petty.

 

[willyrobt]

If it makes you feel warm and fuzzy do it.

 

[BASF]

Wilson truly injured Pete in that Carroll was always his biggest supporter and Wilson did his absolute best to diminish what Carroll built and take all of the credit for himself. It got to the point that players that Carroll brought in to appease Wilson went on their way after proving they weren't worth their contract or time here and put Wilson over on the talk shows and bad mouth Carroll's system. They never took shots at Pete the man, but his handling of Wilson and his offense (which of course they did not do well in).

My guess is that Carroll knows that Wilson is friends with them and that the whole media campaign was orchestrated by Wilson and his handlers to discredit Pete and get Wilson more control. After all, Wilson knows best. The whole, "game has passed him by" was started by Wilson's buddies in the media because Wilson could not handle criticism. They essentially stroked Wilson's ego while facilitating his ability to control the narrative. As more and more Wilson marks made more and more disgusting comments about Carroll's age and cognitive abilities. Carroll had to know that the marks were getting louder and louder as Wilson got more bold in his campaign.

Carroll was always his classy self as Wilson took it outside the team against the "Always protect the team" philosophy that Carroll has lived by. It has been a slap in the face of Carroll for years. Carroll continued to defend Wilson to several members of management as they were obviously trying to get Carroll to see reason about letting Me3 (fantastic nickname btw) go. I honestly think that one of our posters was correct in that the decision to deal Wilson was made the year before, but they needed to be patient. Lower the cap hit and try to get Wilson on program with Waldron and have the system increase his value by playing better. The problem is that Wilson was uncoachable and wanted to run his plays. Finding the right landing spot where the Seahawks could fleece them for a king's ransom and where Wilson could fleece them for a contract he barely deserves was the trick.

Carroll is celebrating the fact that he was being victimized and got out of an abusive relationship. He deserves to take as many victory laps as he can. Wilson and his flunkies deserve to wallow in their comeuppance.

 

[Sgt. Largent]

This is just another example of Russell's delusional self confidence, and Pete taking a shot at that out of years of frustration dealing with Russ.

Russ was not a good progression QB, Russ was not good at reading defenses, Russ was not good at getting his protection right.

The wristband would have helped him tremendously, and Pete took a shot at him for being a pain in the ass over not wearing one. Which explained the too many TO's as the playclock expired, the hesitancy at the line, the unnecessary sacks because Russell called the wrong protection.

 

[BamKam]

Media is blowing this out of proportion. Don't think Pete was purposely trying to take a shot at Russ but was just telling it as it is. He probably would word it differently if he knew this thing would blow up like it has.

Russ pretending to not know what Pete said was hilarious though when he clearly did. Gotta love the "too cool for school" act he is putting on.

 

[Torc]

Chris Simms brought up an interesting point about this. The wristband is not about how smart the QB is. It's about simply saving time on the playcall. Instead of taking 5 or 6 or more seconds reading off the playcall the OC can just say "82" or whatever the number of the play is. It doesn't just reduce the number of delay of game penalties. It means that the QB gets to the line sooner and has time to analyze the defense. It means that motion can happen, also to allow the QB to look at the defense. It means the center can adjust protection calls. It also means that the defense doesn't know exactly when the ball will be snapped and can't time their rush accordingly. Not using the wristband also means that you'll never draw a defense offsides on a 4th and short play, because they know you won't snap the ball before time is almost out on the play clock.

In short, Russ complained about how many sacks he took. But he (apparently?) refused to use one of the tools that would have helped to reduce that number. He forced his line to play at a disadvantage. He seemed to not realize that it's not about HIM. Did they still have some great plays and win? Well....yes. But could they have been better by using one more tool to help? Also yes.

 

[JPatera76]

And I know most will disagree because any criticism of Pete is heretical but I'm not a fan of doing this regardless of how anyone feels about Russ. It makes his whole mantra and push for it seem phony. I am hard on Pete at times but the one thing I really loved about him was this type of stuff and the environment he built and preached. It seems odd he's breaking it for this. Not a fan.

Everyone other than Hawkstrong and someone else I can't remember apparently knows that wristbands are sometimes worn by almost everyone and often not worn by the same players depending on situations, where they are playing, crowd noise, are they learning or in a new offense etc. This conversation was always dumb and petty.

You just said the same thing in a more drawn out version of what I said

quoted below:

And while they might not all the time wear a wrist band.. sometimes they do, sometimes don’t.

“Someone else I can’t remember”

But then goes on to mention the same thing I said but as previously stated drawn out. The goes on to acknowledge the conversation being dumb as petty.


Take your spiel to the shack if you want to stir the pot and troll.

 

[Ozzy]

Huh? I'm not following a thing you're saying. you are the one who called people morons in here, you know that right? It is dumb and petty and I got sucked into it and was a part of it so I share some guilt. I should of ignored the "moron" statement from some dude on the internet who's having a rough day.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

You got sucked in to "wristgate"

 

[Ozzy]

You got sucked in to "wristgate"

It happens lol

 

[balakoth]

Manning, Brady,Rodgers etc all must not care about winning either since they don't wear one. The nerve.

Some of the stuff said in this thread is wild lol

But they actually have.. and do on occasion depending on the situation................

 

[SoulfishHawk]

Yep. Just when you thought the bottom of the barrel has been scraped up.........5 pages about a wrist band........