What would you pay Geno and for how many years?

[Hockey Guy]

I think it's all about the guaranteed money.
I think 3 year @ 23-25M/year with a 50M guarantee gets it done for Geno.

 

[Donn2390]

Geno is a boy's name of Italian origin, meaning "well-born" or "noble." It is a derivative of Eugene and Gene, which have the same meaning. How prophetic..
I enjoy reading everyone's opinion about how much to Pay our Noble QB, but I wouldn't even hazard a guess, I leave it to the guys wearing the fancy suits to decide, I'm sure a deal will be done. From what I can tell, there is a love affair between Geno, and not only Pete, but the entire situation. The city, the fans, the team members, the coaches, absolutely everything points to Geno isn't going anywhere. This is the perfect union.
As far as the original question, "How much would I pay Geno?" Well since I'm retired and on a fixed income, I couldn't go more than about $15 k per year max. Not sure that would do it... Ya couldn't get an oil change done on a RR for that amount.

 

[GemCity]

I think it's all about the guaranteed money.
I think 3 year @ 23-25M/year with a 50M guarantee gets it done for Geno.

I’d love to see this. I just have trouble giving one guy $40M per year. It has worked out in the past for teams but, isn’t that model shifting?

 

[Maui12thman]

One year wonders that didn’t work out, I’ll start.
scott mitchell
kevin cobb
matt cassell
any more?
that being said, it’s got to the point that resigning Geno will happen, I’ll let JS figure it out, just hope it’s not long term. Oh, and I’m still grabbing a QB in the draft, but not before round 3.

 

[Sgt. Largent]

I think it was already at like 3 years 75 mil and today the price went up a little bit.

It's going up by the week.

Geno's kind of an unprecedented QB to find league wide comps to figure out salary and guaranteed money. So honestly I have no idea where to start.

1. Is he worth more here because he's obviously comfortable with Pete and Shane?
2. Do other GM's think they and their staff can recreate Geno's success on their team and organization?
3. Would Geno take a little less to stay in Seattle because he's loyal and loves it here?

All questions that would need to be answered before I can even begin to guess what kind of contract he's going to get.

One thing I haven't seen anyone mention is the transition or franchise tags, which are currently 27M and 29M respectively. So if John/Pete and Geno's agent can't come up with an amicable number, maybe this is the way to go for 2023 with Geno. Especially if some stupid GM and team come in with an insane offer for him.

 

[CalgaryFan05]

Yesterday he had 3 balls that should have been picked

saw those too...

 

[hoxrox]

I get killed for this but I'm still nervouse with a high dollar or long term extension. Yesterday he had 3 balls that should have been picked but he also made plays when he needed to and the drive after the pick 6 was fantastic. Guys who have had a good year only to return to earth in recent history like Foles, Minshew etc still scare me a little. Ideally you get him on a short term deal and still draft your franchise guy in the first if JS falls in love with someone like he did with Russ, Mahomes, Allen etc.

Josh Allen also had 2 picks yesterday.. it happens. Geno's TD to INT ratio is still very good.

 

[Aircrew]

4 years $155M w/ $60M guaranteed is appx what I think it will take.

2023 - $30M signing bonus + $2.5M salary ($10M cap hit leaves $20M effective cap for free agency).

2024 - $32.5M salary ($40M cap hit leaves enough for FA, all guaranteed money now paid)

2025 - $45M salary. If he's still the starter he'll be worth it. If he's not dead cap is only $15M.

2026 - $50M salary. See 2025.

This.

 

[Seahawker]

It's going up by the week.

Geno's kind of an unprecedented QB to find league wide comps to figure out salary and guaranteed money. So honestly I have no idea where to start.

1. Is he worth more here because he's obviously comfortable with Pete and Shane?
2. Do other GM's think they and their staff can recreate Geno's success on their team and organization?
3. Would Geno take a little less to stay in Seattle because he's loyal and loves it here?

All questions that would need to be answered before I can even begin to guess what kind of contract he's going to get.

One thing I haven't seen anyone mention is the transition or franchise tags, which are currently 27M and 29M respectively. So if John/Pete and Geno's agent can't come up with an amicable number, maybe this is the way to go for 2023 with Geno. Especially if some stupid GM and team come in with an insane offer for him.

 

[Maelstrom787]

4 years $155M w/ $60M guaranteed is appx what I think it will take.

2023 - $30M signing bonus + $2.5M salary ($10M cap hit leaves $20M effective cap for free agency).

2024 - $32.5M salary ($40M cap hit leaves enough for FA, all guaranteed money now paid)

2025 - $45M salary. If he's still the starter he'll be worth it. If he's not dead cap is only $15M.

2026 - $50M salary. See 2025.

If Geno sustains this level of play, this is a really good crack at what the contract would look like.

Lots of hand-wringing over the total numbers, but decent enough flexibility in the actual cap hits

 

[Ozzy]

Josh Allen also had 2 picks yesterday.. it happens. Geno's TD to INT ratio is still very good.

Allen also has years of success. Geno's path is very unique. I'm excited about what he's doing and every week his price probably goes up. I'm just a little nervouse because we've seen one year wonders before. I don't think he's that and I think its much more likely hes a good NFL starting QB. I still view this how KC handled it with Alex Smith who was also a good NFL quarterback. They still drafted their franchise guy in Mahomes.

 

[hoxrox]

Allen also has years of success. Geno's path is very unique. I'm excited about what he's doing and every week his price probably goes up. I'm just a little nervouse because we've seen one year wonders before. I don't think he's that and I think its much more likely hes a good NFL starting QB. I still view this how KC handled it with Alex Smith who was also a good NFL quarterback. They still drafted their franchise guy in Mahomes.

One year wonder or a late bloomer, who now has a strong supporting cast around him? I'm leaning towards the latter.

 

[Ozzy]

One year wonder or a late bloomer, who now has a strong supporting cast around him? I'm leaning towards the latter.

It's completely reasonable and I am too. But I'm still a little cautious and would be heavily invested in this QB class in case an elite guy fell to one of my two picks.

 

[chrispy]

Any other team would be terrified to give geno a large deal to find out that he was playing for a good OC , head coach, in a favourable situation that he’s been studying and familiar with for YEARS, with elite WR’s and an extremely good, healthy and consistent o-line and dynamic RB play.

Essentially a perfect storm for geno to look like a very good QB. If I’m a gm on another team would I be delusional to offer him a 3 year 90 million deal and expect him to replicate his 2022 performance? Not likely.

To us geno is worth lots because he’s our guy and playing great and the other options aren’t nearly as good. I’d say a career backup 33 year old geno isn’t gonna create a bidding war unless we win the Super Bowl.

My guess would be 3 years lots of guaranteed money and 80 mill

There will be lots of teams that are scared off because of Wilson, but not all of them. "Any" team vs "Every" team. ...but JS has a better feel for that dynamic than any of us. I believe some GM/Coach pairs will have the ego to think they can improve Geno. (look at SF, Carolina, Cleveland...). Also, even if they don't believe it, some will sell that scenario to ownership just to save their jobs for a year. That said, I think the best scenario for the Seahawks is to keep Geno under contract and avoid ever finding out his value as a FA.

I don't like it, but I see a real possibility that JS has to use the franchise tag. It further sucks that DWatson pushed that amount up 20 million for '23 (45 mill). If they can't get a 30-35mill/yr+/- deal done in December, I anticipate the tag. JS/PC can't let Geno walk without a replacement in-house. Conversely, Team Geno knows 45mill for 1 year is his baseline. If he's tagged, that allows for further negotiation on a long-term extension/restructure or (if '23 TCamp reveals the draft or FA qbotf) a trade.

Both sides should have some motivation to get a deal done this year to avoid the franchise tag. Team Geno has to be satisfied it's as lucrative as he could get elsewhere but protected long-term from injury. JS has to be comfortable with Cap and ability to bring in competition at the position. I think that puts them at 30-35/yr mostly guaranteed for first 2 years.

 

[themunn]

If you franchise him, you can't spread the cap hit out. Becomes an untenable situation quickly.

But we are already running dead cap of like 26m for Wilson this year so it's not like we can't find a way to fit it in.

 

[Maelstrom787]

But we are already running dead cap of like 26m for Wilson this year so it's not like we can't find a way to fit it in.

It's not that its impossible to find a way to fit it in, it's that it'd be super super super super super suboptimal to even put yourself in the position of having to fit that all in one year. Makes no sense at all.

 

[renofox]

If the Seahawks use the franchise tag on Geno they will have to cut Gabe Jackson and fill 21 roster spots with minimum wage and rookie players.

IOW - they can't use the tag.

 

[TraderGary]

3 years, 25-30M per year, first 2 guaranteed. Maybe a mutual option on the 3rd year.

I'm grateful and thrilled with Geno's performance this year, but no one is paying him top 5 QB money or getting into a bidding war for him based on one very good season.

If I'm a GM of another team, I'm asking myself, "is Geno a system QB who happened to excel due to his familiarity with the system along with the players he's been playing with for years?

I don't know the answer to that but neither does anyone else, and I don't see any other team paying 45-50M per year to find out, including the Seahawks.

I think the numbers I posted above are fair for both sides based on the unknown and a one-year track record.

 

[Spin Doctor]

Any other team would be terrified to give geno a large deal to find out that he was playing for a good OC , head coach, in a favourable situation that he’s been studying and familiar with for YEARS, with elite WR’s and an extremely good, healthy and consistent o-line and dynamic RB play.

Essentially a perfect storm for geno to look like a very good QB. If I’m a gm on another team would I be delusional to offer him a 3 year 90 million deal and expect him to replicate his 2022 performance? Not likely.

To us geno is worth lots because he’s our guy and playing great and the other options aren’t nearly as good. I’d say a career backup 33 year old geno isn’t gonna create a bidding war unless we win the Super Bowl.

My guess would be 3 years lots of guaranteed money and 80 mill

He is going to create bidding war. Geno Smith isn't like the other one hit wonder QB's i've seen listed here. Guys like Foles only could operate in a specific, limited offense. Geno is running the dominant offensive system of the NFL here in Seattle. Roughly 1/3rd of the NFL use the Shanahan/McVay style of WCO. What Shane Waldron is doing is what many other guys that come from the same system are doing from a schematic standpoint. Carroll/Waldron are running the meta offense of the current day NFL.

In addition to Geno Smith operating the most prolific offense in the NFL at a high level (Shanny/McVay WCO), Smith's individual play pops out. He's making throws that the Foles's and Cassel's of this world could only dream of. Geno is actually throwing his receivers open. Laying a dime in between three defenders where only the player can get it is something he's doing on a weekly basis. That is the sort of throw that only high level QB's can make on a regular basis. This isn't some smoke and mirrors BS. Geno Smith is the real deal right now.

Someone is going to see Smith's tape and try offering him the whole world. Smith is going to get over 30 million a year, easily.

 

[SeAhAwKeR4life]

Whatever we pay Geno, I sincerely hope they've decided whether Lock can be the understudy or they draft a guy. With QBs I hate when teams put everything into just one guy. Why can't we follow Green Bay's formula, mentor the guy on the bench?