The Defense

[Rock_the_Hawk]

Im not going to pretend like i know exactly how the Seahawks are going to turn their Defense around, because i don't.

Maybe they are going to bring insome more new players like Irvin, maybe the players they have are turning the corner and becoming better. I just know that its going to happen because thats what the Seahawks coaching staff does.

There is to much talent on the field and to much talent on the coaching staff for it not to happen. There is no doubt in my mind its just a matter of how soon. Im seeing improvement on D its just happening slowly, but its happening.... hopefully Irvin will make an impression in the locker room. Some times thats all it takes is the right vet presence to ignite that D.

Be patient Men of Seattle good things are coming.

 

[MyrtleHawk]

I haven't seen this posted anywhere, sorry if someone beat me to the punch...



It looks like some on the defense actually cares that they're not playing well, which is at the very least a LITTLE hopeful.

Edit: Found this as well

 

[RiverDog]

Man, this defense is a mess! Diggs and Brooks are two of our more established veterans and are supposed to be leaders of our defense. Losing Jamal Adams had a bigger impact than just his contributions as a safety.

 

[nwHawk]

Adams was a bigger loss than will ever be recognized by fans.

 

[Ruminator]

Pretty cool hearing that DK is fully and actively engaged even when the D is up. That ratchets up my respect for him.

 

[RiverDog]

Adams was a bigger loss than will ever be recognized by fans.

I'm not a big fan of Jamal Adams regarding his on field contributions, but he was unquestionably a great guy in the locker room and the leader of our defense once Bobby departed.

 

[Jerhawk]

Seeing the top two defensive players go at each other like that boils down to one key failure: coaching.

Hurtt, Carroll and company clearly have done a poor job getting all guys on the same page. Hurtt isn't an effective communicator and is a weak leader of men. The players clearly don't respect him when they act like that. Sad

 

[TwistedHusky]

When a few guys struggle, it means you have holes in your defense.
When everyone struggles? It means you have holes in your staff.

Right now, we don't have the personnel for a great defense. But fielding an average defense should be within bounds.

We have a horrific defense.
This has some significant implications.

1 - Getting even a top-tier QB won't right the ship. This defense is multiple drafts away from being even a top-quarter defense. That is bad news if the plan was to get another QB and start the engine again.

2 - We spent a ton of draft capital on Defense in the past 5 years. Not much to show for it. Not a great sign we can even fill the holes with better players even if we have the picks and spend them on D.

3 - Since it isn't just the secondary, the problem isn't youth. It won't fix itself as players get older, more experienced, and better. If anything, it will be like what happened to our OL in the past - where developing players not only had to worry about their job, but often had to be concerned about their teammate not doing their right and having to cover for them. In an environment where you cannot even focus on your job, it is hard to get better, easier to make mistakes, and the cognitive load doubles or triples

Run and Pass defenses are struggling. Very few players can be counted on. Everyone is not only making mistakes but also trying to cover for other players' mistakes as well. That is an environment for failure, not success.

And we seem to have a bifurcated coaching staff on D, which may exacerbate things.

It does not feel like we are 1 draft class away from righting the ship here.

 

[FloridaSeahawk18]

I haven't seen this posted anywhere, sorry if someone beat me to the punch...



It looks like some on the defense actually cares that they're not playing well, which is at the very least a LITTLE hopeful.

Edit: Found this as well

I love Lockett but the fact he's captain and just sitting there watching that on the bench is questionable.

 

[Rock_the_Hawk]

I'm not a big fan of Jamal Adams regarding his on field contributions, but he was unquestionably a great guy in the locker room and the leader of our defense once Bobby departed.

When a few guys struggle, it means you have holes in your defense.
When everyone struggles? It means you have holes in your staff.

Right now, we don't have the personnel for a great defense. But fielding an average defense should be within bounds.

We have a horrific defense.
This has some significant implications.

1 - Getting even a top-tier QB won't right the ship. This defense is multiple drafts away from being even a top-quarter defense. That is bad news if the plan was to get another QB and start the engine again.

2 - We spent a ton of draft capital on Defense in the past 5 years. Not much to show for it. Not a great sign we can even fill the holes with better players even if we have the picks and spend them on D.

3 - Since it isn't just the secondary, the problem isn't youth. It won't fix itself as players get older, more experienced, and better. If anything, it will be like what happened to our OL in the past - where developing players not only had to worry about their job, but often had to be concerned about their teammate not doing their right and having to cover for them. In an environment where you cannot even focus on your job, it is hard to get better, easier to make mistakes, and the cognitive load doubles or triples

Run and Pass defenses are struggling. Very few players can be counted on. Everyone is not only making mistakes but also trying to cover for other players' mistakes as well. That is an environment for failure, not success.

And we seem to have a bifurcated coaching staff on D, which may exacerbate things.

It does not feel like we are 1 draft class away from righting the ship

Seeing the top two defensive players go at each other like that boils down to one key failure: coaching.

Hurtt, Carroll and company clearly have done a poor job getting all guys on the same page. Hurtt isn't an effective communicator and is a weak leader of men. The players clearly don't respect him when they act like that. Sad

I disagree it is NOT coaching!

They have a new scheme starting 3 rooks.

I think its about this D feeling comfortable in this scheme learning to comunicate and play together.

I think they are tightning up vs the cards

They have been averaging 150 or so yards a game with the run game i think they will be around 100 yards... that would be a signifigant improvement.

The rookie corners are starting to contribute Woolen 3 ints and Bryant is causing fumbles and coverage is tighting up.

Now they just need to stop the run and get more pass rush


This is the week it all starts to come together

 

[Chawker]

Clint Hurtt had better have his defense ready and pumped up, attack needs to be the word of the day. This cards game will be played in front of the 12s, once we get the D rolling, turn overs and 3 and outs will be a real celebration for the Mighty Seahawks.

My 4000th post

Cheers

 

[BASF]

I disagree it is NOT coaching!

The Miami Cheat should never have been promoted to DC. That is the biggest problem. However, I do like your optimism.

 

[Appyhawk]

When a few guys struggle, it means you have holes in your defense.
When everyone struggles? It means you have holes in your staff.

Right now, we don't have the personnel for a great defense. But fielding an average defense should be within bounds.

We have a horrific defense.
This has some significant implications.

1 - Getting even a top-tier QB won't right the ship. This defense is multiple drafts away from being even a top-quarter defense. That is bad news if the plan was to get another QB and start the engine again.

2 - We spent a ton of draft capital on Defense in the past 5 years. Not much to show for it. Not a great sign we can even fill the holes with better players even if we have the picks and spend them on D.

3 - Since it isn't just the secondary, the problem isn't youth. It won't fix itself as players get older, more experienced, and better. If anything, it will be like what happened to our OL in the past - where developing players not only had to worry about their job, but often had to be concerned about their teammate not doing their right and having to cover for them. In an environment where you cannot even focus on your job, it is hard to get better, easier to make mistakes, and the cognitive load doubles or triples

Run and Pass defenses are struggling. Very few players can be counted on. Everyone is not only making mistakes but also trying to cover for other players' mistakes as well. That is an environment for failure, not success.

And we seem to have a bifurcated coaching staff on D, which may exacerbate things.

It does not feel like we are 1 draft class away from righting the ship here.

Acquiring and developing youth is always the best hope for an improved future.

 

[JPatera76]

Brooks on the hill run .. was held i dont blame him. I blame Diggs.. he got paid and now has been layin eggs.

 

[nwHawk]

Seeing the top two defensive players go at each other like that boils down to one key failure: coaching.

Hurtt, Carroll and company clearly have done a poor job getting all guys on the same page. Hurtt isn't an effective communicator and is a weak leader of men. The players clearly don't respect him when they act like that. Sad

I think Diggs played that wrong and Brooks called him out. Let’s not kid ourselves, Diggs is not the pre-injury middle. And his play has been questionable too. Players must hold each other accountable. That’s a good sign from Brooks.

 

[cymatica]

I disagree it is NOT coaching!

They have a new scheme starting 3 rooks.

I think its about this D feeling comfortable in this scheme learning to comunicate and play together.

I think they are tightning up vs the cards

They have been averaging 150 or so yards a game with the run game i think they will be around 100 yards... that would be a signifigant improvement.

The rookie corners are starting to contribute Woolen 3 ints and Bryant is causing fumbles and coverage is tighting up.

Now they just need to stop the run and get more pass rush


This is the week it all starts to come together

I've seen defenses with backups and rookies look half decent. It 100% is coaching.

 

[Rock_the_Hawk]

I've seen defenses with backups and rookies look half decent. It 100% is coaching.

How many defenses have you seen that have new schemes, new D cordinator and start 3 rookie corners that come out of the gate lites out?

 

[cymatica]

How many defenses have you seen that have new schemes, new D cordinator and start 3 rookie corners that come out of the gate lites out?

The corners haven't been the problem, and Woolen is a legit ROTY candidate. And I never said lights out, I said half decent as opposed to hot garbage. The problem has been mostly the front 7. Poor angles, poor gap discipline, poor communication, poor tackling(which looked better last week) not disengaging from blocks, not setting the edge, getting fooled easily on misdirection, no pressure on the QB, bad linebacker play and no depth in a 34. They have no answer to stop the run week after week.

That is a coaching failure. Yes I've seen new coaches with new scheme not rolling out a pile of dung.

 

[RiverDog]

I heard a guy give a pretty good explanation of what might have been behind Diggs and Brooks getting after each other. Did Diggs bite on the play fake because we'd been giving up so much on the run, particularly to Taysom Hill, which resulted in a wide-open receiver then Brooks called him out on it?

I haven't gone back to look at the replay to see whose man that was, but it sure seems to me like a safety that comes off his man because he's lost so much confidence in the guys in front of him to make a play on a running quarterback would explain an argument like what we saw in the OP.

 

[Rock_the_Hawk]

I've seen defenses with backups and rookies look half decent. It 100% is coaching.

To my understanding they are coaching to all those points, Imo they are getting better. Not to say there isnt work to be done, because there is. I do think scheme vs player suited for the scheme is a part of it. Poona is getting doubled and he struggles because he is not really big enough and he has short arms.. Thats just the way i see it.. but can coaching help him out with that? Maybe, but thats beyond me.does that mean he is being coached poorly? I i dont think so at least from what i can see i think its just a tough job. Just my take