Should we use our draft capital for a “top college QB”?

[seatownlowdown]

geno's proving to be solid if he's in the right situation. so give him protection, a playcaller that understands his limitations/positives, and some weapons, and *BOOM* he puts up good numbers.

 

[FloridaSeahawk18]

Hopefully PC/JS see someone in the "2nd" tier like some have pointed out here - BYU/UW QB's maybe but I'm not much of a QB whisperer to know anyone else.

Then we can draft a stud MLB/DE as this team desperately needs it; move Brooks to OLB again and cut Barton

 

[Spin Doctor]

You're making an argument about something I never said. Nice try.

That is essentially what you're saying, Geno's having his shot now and people are going nuts based on his showings against poor defenses. You're arguing in favor of NOT taking a QB and just letting Geno ride. You're posting in a topic about whether we should skip drafting a QB because of Geno. Letting Geno ride another year means we need to re-sign him, he is not under contract with us for another year.

I'm saying that it's way too early to be anointing Geno of anything, especially based on his performances in past years. Geno is going to get a year to prove himself, I'm just saying that Geno's a bet I wouldn't roll with for the future of this franchise.

 

[FlyingGunHawk]

Fitzpatrick replaced Geno and threw for almost 4k yards and 35 TDs with that same coaching staff and team. What if Geno just isn't as good as people would want to make him out to be?

I'm not comparing Geno Smith to Ryan Fitzpatrick. They are different QBs. Ryan also made a boat load of money throughout his career with over 80million career earnings so I think front offices probably valued him much higher than Geno. Either that, or Ryan had an outstanding agent.

 

[CallMeADawg]

Fitzpatrick replaced Geno and threw for almost 4k yards and 35 TDs with that same coaching staff and team. What if Geno just isn't as good as people would want to make him out to be?

That was in Fitz 11th season in the league operating an offense he already knew from his previous time with Chan. In his 12th season he was so bad his contract was terminated. I believe he threw something like 6 picks in a single game. He was a very boom or bust guy, which Geno isn't.

 

[Rat]

It cannot be denied that the Jets have been awful at developing QBs in recent years, but it's not like these guys have been figuring out with other teams. Sam Darnold, Mark Sanchez, Bryce Petty, Kellen Clemens, Brooks Bollinger, Luke Falk, etc. did nothing to prove the Jets wrong for moving on from them.

 

[CallMeADawg]

That is essentially what you're saying, Geno's having his shot now and people are going nuts based on his showings against poor defenses. You're arguing in favor of NOT taking a QB and just letting Geno ride. You're posting in a topic about whether we should skip drafting a QB because of Geno. Letting Geno ride another year means we need to re-sign him, he is not under contract with us for another year.

I'm saying that it's way too early to be anointing Geno of anything, especially based on his performances in past years. Geno is going to get a year to prove himself, I'm just saying that Geno's a bet I wouldn't roll with for the future of this franchise.

No that's not what I'm saying and you should probably stop putting your bile in other people's posts.

I did not argue either way about picking a QB in the draft. You either don't know what an argument is, or you don't know how to comprehend basic English. You're being rude to Geno and to others here. I don't have time for the likes of you.

 

[toffee]

"Top College QB" opined by media expert? If those media experts were good enough, they would be team GMs, but they are not.

Bill Walsh drafted Montana for his foot work, and poise under pressure. National experts? Montana lack arm strength, lack this lack that. Bill saw something that those 'experts' didn't.

Russ? he was too short too this too that, John saw something that those experts didn't.

Toffee? I rather trust John.

 

[Spin Doctor]

No that's not what I'm saying and you should probably stop putting your bile in other people's posts.

I did not argue either way about picking a QB in the draft. You either don't know what an argument is, or you don't know how to comprehend basic English. You're being rude to Geno and to others here. I don't have time for the likes of you.

What am I being rude about? Just because I don't subscribe to your opinion? I'm having a debate with you and you're acting like I'm hurling insults at you. I don't see eye to eye with you and you're acting like I'm insulting your family or something. I haven't said anything insulting or rude here.

Please don't accuse me of things I am not doing. If anything you're the one that is sliding backhanded insults towards me. Stop it.

 

[morgulon1]

When the season started I fully expected Geno to be a serviceable backup-type QB that would help win us around 5 games. I figured it was a forgone conclusion that we would use our two number one picks to move up to get our QB of the future who we could have on a 5 year rookie contract and give us the cap room to build around him. After today, I’m wondering if that is really necessary. Geno does have some weaknesses, like accuracy with the deep ball, but I don’t think he is unable to take us deep into the playoffs if we have a top tier defense. We clearly have some pressing needs on Defense and that draft capital could be used to shore up our defensive line linebackers, etc. I still do think we should draft a QB, but maybe a lower round developmental pick would be more appropriate. Regardless, think it would be wise to try to sign Geno to a ?3 year contract if the price is reasonable.

I like the way #7 is playing. The deep ball he threw to #14 was right on the money , DK stopped or it
drops into his hands. As nice a ball as dickwich ever threw.

I honestly don't know anything about building a roster , what I have noticed is our defensive line gets
pushed around and they hardly put fear in the opposing qb's heart. The LBs take bad angles and get
rag dolled quite a lot

 

[LickMyNuts]

I think you have to ask yourself is Geno going to win you a SB. The answer is no. He’s not going to lose games but he’s also not going to win them.

Of course we try to draft a QB of the future. If we have to bring in a veteran to compete with a rookie and go from there.

Not sure on DL’s contract but he’s nothing more than a young back up in the NFL.

 

[Rat]

John has drafted exactly one great QB in 13 years, and it's not like Russ was some unknown, diamond in the rough; the Jets and Redskins were reportedly both set to take him with their next pick, and nobody is calling them QB geniuses. He also traded for Charlie Whitehurst and Drew Lock. I'm not ready to unquestionably support whoever he likes for the position.

 

[seatownlowdown]

The LBs take bad angles and get rag dolled quite a lot

very true, the LBs have no protection from the interior and get gobbled up. brooks can't shake a run block to save his life, and barton... well...





...well, you be the judge

 

[CallMeADawg]

I think you have to ask yourself is Geno going to win you a SB. The answer is no. He’s not going to lose games but he’s also not going to win them.

Of course we try to draft a QB of the future. If we have to bring in a veteran to compete with a rookie and go from there.

Not sure on DL’s contract but he’s nothing more than a young back up in the NFL.

I don't know if Geno is going to win me a Super Bowl. I couldn't say either way right now. Anyone that does take a stance, isn't being objective. I can say our defense wouldn't win me a Toilet Bowl.

As for drafting a QB, if the right fit is there you take it and get your guy. You don't toss Geno away in the process though. He very well could front the load while the new guy spends a season learning and gets set up to be successful.

 

[Spin Doctor]

I think you have to ask yourself is Geno going to win you a SB. The answer is no. He’s not going to lose games but he’s also not going to win them.

Of course we try to draft a QB of the future. If we have to bring in a veteran to compete with a rookie and go from there.

Not sure on DL’s contract but he’s nothing more than a young back up in the NFL.

This is exactly my take on the guy. He can run the offense, but he's not going to be a guy that wins you a ton of games. If you're trying to build a young core, this is not who you want to hitch your train to long term.

 

[Fade]

If Geno can sustain this level of play for a full season a team out there would gladly give him $30M APY+.

He's putting out film right now that coaches love.

Like 3 years $100M. Teams are desperate for QBs and the cap is going way up.

Franchise tagging him would wreck Seattle's cap so that is off the table, he's going to be a Free Agent.

So the more appropriate question is...

Bring back Geno for 3 yrs $100M, or draft a QB?

 

[morgulon1]

If Geno can sustain this level of play for a full season a team out there would gladly give him $30M APY+.

He's putting out film right now that coaches love.

Like 3 years $100M. Teams are desperate for QBs and the cap is going way up.

Franchise tagging him would wreck Seattle's cap so that is off the table, he's going to be a Free Agent.

So the more appropriate question is...

Bring back Geno for 3 yrs $100M, or draft a QB?

2 yrs 60 with an option year. draft a qb

 

[LickMyNuts]

I don't know if Geno is going to win me a Super Bowl. I couldn't say either way right now. Anyone that does take a stance, isn't being objective. I can say our defense wouldn't win me a Toilet Bowl.

As for drafting a QB, if the right fit is there you take it and get your guy. You don't toss Geno away in the process though. He very well could front the load while the new guy spends a season learning and gets set up to be successful.

I’m taking a stance. Unless you’re marching out a stellar defense it’s not happening. Geno can run the offense but he’s just a guy.

Let’s not overreact to a good performance against the Detroit Lions. A team on the rise but a team that hasn’t sniffed the playoffs in a decade.

I give a lot of credit to the offensive line today. Both in the run game and pass blocking.

 

[knownone]

It depends on how the season plays out, where we're drafting, and who is available. It's still only week 4. If we get an entire season of this, then Geno deserves an opportunity to be the long-term starter. But that still doesn't preclude the team from drafting a QB.

 

[cymatica]

Fitzpatrick replaced Geno and threw for almost 4k yards and 35 TDs with that same coaching staff and team. What if Geno just isn't as good as people would want to make him out to be?

It's also possible he is a great fit for this offense but just couldn't find his rhythm elsewhere. Maybe he just needed the right environment with a little more time to build his confidence.