SoulfishHawk
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Shoot, just imagine something DIFFERENT ![Er... what? o_O o_O](data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7)
But in what ways do the Ravens apply said adjustments to greater success? I'm just trying to understand, because I'm not convinced this is an issue unique to our team.Just my own opinion. Pete doesn't adjust, and he is way past his expiration date. Would love to see a change, but I'm not holding my breath. We will just see the same sh** every year. Maybe make the playoffs and get bounced the 1st round. Rinse and repeat.
Damn, now I'm basically sounding like Pitt. But, there's a lot of truth in the stuff he says.
Dude, what are you talking about? I only asked for examples of the adjustments that the Ravens make that Seattle doesn't. I'm not insulting you in any way.We don't like each other, let's just leave it at that. You'll just talk to me like I'm 5 years old, which never gets old. Your opinion is the only one that seems to matter in your eyes.
And god forbid anyone says one bad thing about the almighty Geno Smith. Ever.
Probably because it doesn't work on a bunch of grown men who are the best in the world at what they do, and are the ones actually playing the game.
Disciplinarian coaches are mostly too focused on assigning blame to be as effective as more forward-thinking leaders, which is why they're getting left behind.
If you want soft, check out Holmgren's teams outside of the OL. Excellent coach, but nothing hardcore there.
You are talking about the Ravens, though. You're using John Harbaugh as an example to illustrate Pete's inability to adjust. I'm just asking what adjustments we are referencing here, because to my eyes, it seems like they've had very similar levels of success and have many of the same issues.I'm not talking about the Ravens, one bit. I'm talking about the Hawks. I couldn't give two sh**s about the Ravens. I'd rather have Harbaugh as HC.
If you can't see that Pete gets out coached and out adjusted all the time, you never will.
Clearly, it's a defense mechanism for the several times you've talked to me like I'm 10 years old.You are talking about the Ravens, though. You're using John Harbaugh as an example to illustrate Pete's inability to adjust. I'm just asking what adjustments we are referencing here, because to my eyes, it seems like they've had very similar levels of success and have many of the same issues.
Also, you're saying that I'm condescending, but you're saying stuff like the colored quote to me. I don't know what your game is here, but I'm not condescending to you as blatantly as you are to me.
It is interestng that KJ Wright addressed this specifically, I believe on Brock and Salk. He laughed when one of them asked him about Carroll not holding people accountable and said they are spoken to one on one.I would like to know what people here think “accountability” means.
It gets posted a lot that Pete doesn’t hold the players “accountable”, I have a hard time believing that a coach with a proven track record does not address man to man the mission, methods and expectations.
So should he bench players, fine them, berate them on the sideline for the camera and fans at home to see, toss them under the bus in his post game?
I would say that the ultimate accountability comes at contract time. If these adult men aren’t playing within the system and meeting the coaches expectations they won’t get the next deal.
But for outsiders who have zero idea what happens behind the doors of the VMac to claim that Pete never admonishes or holds players accountable seems like a stretch.
And before all the “but Russ” screech’s start I will say that it doesn’t mean different players don’t get different approaches(just like real life). I feel like Pete is a straight shooter with his players and if he has a problem he talks face to face without unnecessary posturing and emotion…like an adult.
Dude, what are you talking about? I only asked for examples of the adjustments that the Ravens make that Seattle doesn't. I'm not insulting you in any way.
EDIT: And how is Geno Smith now a part of this conversation? I've stayed on topic and have not typed a single insult.
this right here, SOFT AF. Aww you don't wike you widdle feewings hurt when the big bad man yells at you? Do your focking job and shut your whiney trap. I'd much rather play for Holmgren.Why? Society to soft these days?
A little Dennis Green action for yaI'm watching Pete's presser the other day and he looked almost happy. Chill, relaxed. I then thought, "How would Holmgren look in his press conference coming off that loss?"
I'll tell you how. Red faced. Hot. Pissed off. As a coach should be.
As undisciplined as this team really is, these are the times I wish Holmgren were still our coach. I will always be grateful for Pete Carroll and what he gave our franchise, but it's crystal clear that his Sun is setting and the team needs more than a Player's Coach right now. You need discipline. A coach that erupts on the sideline when there is penalty after penalty.
Say what you want about Mike Holmgren but boy did he have the respect of his players. Add Chuck Knox to that mix as well.
I love ya Pete, but you need to retire.
Pete game plans on what the offense and defense does to the opponents. Here’s the problem.Hard to give examples for teams you dont pay attention to. Baltimore might be the best team in the league right now so i'm sure their doing something right.
When we talk about adjustments or lack of therefore, there are examples we can list though. Pete seems to stick with the game plan no matter what whether if it seems to be working or not, thus the old saying - "trying to fit a square peg into a round hole". Of course there were the times when Wilson would just start playing sandlot in the 4th quarter because the game plan had to be thrown out due to being ineffective, but that's not adjusting. That was desperation.
Take McVay for an instance. He observes the first half and if what he is doing isn't working, he changes it up in the second. Pete does not do that or seldom does it. He believes in execution and wearing teams down and that's not good enough a lot of the times.