Please trade Bennett and Irvin for Wilkerson

[razor150]

It is funny that on a forum that muses over whose contracts should be renegotiated or cancelled by the organization for their bennefit that these same people wod be offended when players want contracts that favor them more. Seriously hypocritical. You can't argue the sanctity of a contract while holding one party bound to them.

 

[Pandion Haliaetus]

Also, if Bennett really wanted out of here, he would just give the last two years of his signing bonus back ($4) and renegotiate his deal to be a free agent after this year. Seahawks reap the benefits of a player giving it all in his contract year, save more money over the long term, likely get a 3rd round comp for Bennett's departure, and have a year to develop Frank Clark to take over in 2016.

Bennett risks the chance of injury (which makes this scenario highly improbable) but he would be able to cash in much more significantly (4 years, 35-40m) if he puts together a career year and comes out unscathed.

 

[glad2bdada3]

I'm with ya'. I don't know who the heck put Bennett in charge as the players spokesman but someone needs to tell him to shut his big mouth. He's good but not that good and he just renegotiated his contract last yr. and now he's whining about how he wants a raise? Kiss my cushy tushy! And now he thinks he's Irvin's agent. Screw him!

I'd love to see what would happen if you said all of this to his face.

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I'd have no problem telling this to his face. There's absolutely no doubt I would change my language when confronting him but I'd do that for anybody when confronting them with an issue like this. I would have no problem telling him what I believe. I figured this forum was a place where occasionally you could cut loose with your maddening, frustrations. I have already been reprimanded for my language and they edited my tirade (although poorly) and it won't happen again. I apologize to anybody who was offended by my language since there are rules here. But what I was trying to get across I would say to anybody including Bennett. I don't apologize for that

 

[Ambrose83]

Are some of these same irate posters the people that were accusing Lynch of being "MEshawn" last year?

Before you rip Irvin (Bennett might just be shaking the tree too hard, even by my standards), or Marshawn for not "understanding" that the team has a limited budget and they "need to make sacrifices to help the team" please consider what happen with Z Miller.

Miller was a tremendous TE, but has to ALSO make sacrifices for this team. Among them, he was asked to play hurt, which he did. Also, because our protection was so poor, he was asked to perform more of a blocking role and he did that too.

What was his reward for making those sacrifices? His lower production #s were used to justify his need to take a pay cut. WHICH HE DID. Later, the team cut him.

I love the Seahawks but let us be fair. We want the players to be totally loyal to the team but we shrug and say "This is a business" when the team cuts a great player or good player that is hurt, too expensive or just simply replaceable with cheaper talent. Not begrudging the Seahawks on that, you have to do what you need to do - but then you have to be fair and apply that rationale to both sides.

Players shouldn't be castigated for trying to get as much as they can when they can, because the truth is every game could potentially be the end of their career, they risk permanent injury, and most likely lifelong complications. (I know someone that works with former NFL players that are still dealing with medical issues because of their playing career. Many qualify for public assistance...)

Now contrast that to their alternatives. You know Irvin's story, he was homeless when he was found and given an opportunity to play football. You think he doesn't realize the need to earn as much as he can when he can given he likely has to live off that for the rest of his life?

I want to the Seahawks to be competitive too. But I also realize these are human beings that need to live & be happy outside of football years later. Which means they do need the money, especially if there is no other cushion for them.

You get into a bigger issue here about how players can prepare for later, why they need so much now, etc - that goes beyond the scope of this thread but it shouldn't freak people out when players ask for as much as they can get given their quality of life will hinge on some of those differences.

Is Irvin handling this one in a way that helps him? It does not appear so. Does it make him a bad person or selfish because he is upset and feels he earned more? Not really. So the piling on is a little much. He is upset and voiced his displeasure. Take that at face value and stop trying to use that as an indicator of the type of person or teammate he could be.

We cut miller due to a failed physical.... and the money argument is ridiculous. .. give me 2 million.. I will never work again.... if you are not a complete idiot that much cash is easy to live off and turn into much more, of course I would not be buying 15k sqft houses and 2 million sports cars either... he's made plenty of money to live off as of now.

 

[netskier]

Bennett is a professional entertainer, which is why professional athletes are so well paid. So why should he not promote interest in the game by stirring up interest in the dull, boring, off season? He is genuinely funny to me.

 

[Overseasfan]

Bennett probably deserves a bit more money than he's getting now to be fair but the way he's portraying himself to the media isn't really smart on his part. It looks like he is more concerned about money than about winning, not really a mentality any team looks for. This won't make him popular with the Seahawks fans and certainly will decrease the interest other teams have in him. I'd like it if this gets settled quickly though, Michael is a great player and a great person, I really want him back.

Irvin isn't as important as Bennett but he's still a solid starter that would be missed. However, it's probably better for both parties if goes to Atlanta next year. If that's what he wants then we won't be getting anything out of him anymore on the field anyway.

 

[ImTheScientist]

I am flat out sick of armchair GMs who throw hissy fits over players who have the gall to say anything publicly other than "I love Seattle, and the Seahawks, and hope that I can stay a Seahawk forever. I'd even PAY for the opportunity to play here because it's so awesome! Hometown discount? Seattle's not even my hometown, but you betcha!"

The pettiness here is smothering, sometimes.

No U.

 

[Scottemojo]

I am flat out sick of armchair GMs who throw hissy fits over players who have the gall to say anything publicly other than "I love Seattle, and the Seahawks, and hope that I can stay a Seahawk forever. I'd even PAY for the opportunity to play here because it's so awesome! Hometown discount? Seattle's not even my hometown, but you betcha!"

The pettiness here is smothering, sometimes.

I call it Jilted Wench Syndrome.

Time was, we never would have known if a player wanted to be on a team, social media didn't exist and team news consisted of a blurb a week. If that.

Social media has turned half the people I know into drama queens.

 

[Bigbadhawk]

Bennett (whom I see as having very little leverage atm) I see being around for at least one more year, possibly two. I do not seem him being a Seahawk in 2017 which would be the final year of his contract. Irvin needs to play his butt off in his contract year and help get us get a 4th round comp pick in 2017.

 

[EastCoastHawksFan]

Are some of these same irate posters the people that were accusing Lynch of being "MEshawn" last year?.

No . I fully supported Lynch who was entering his third year into his contract .

The title of my post was made in case John Schneider checks .net regularly . My main points were Bennett complaining about a contract less then a year after signing it and Bruce Irvin saying he hope he doesn't come back in 2016.
I think Bennett's a great player who absolutely deserved a bigger contract, but that's not what he signed . What if all of our players wanted more after one year ?
Irvin is a good player not great . I think he forgets Seattle took a chance on him in the 1st round . He's best years are ahead of him though , that's for sure

 

[seahawkfreak]

I take it nobody here has EVER bitched about how much they are getting paid for the job they are doing.
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Yep. But I wouldn't throw a teenage temper tantrum and say I'm going to go work for someone else. I've been a supervisor for a large corporation and anytime someone wanted to transfer to another store I did not question their intentions. If they did not want to be there and thought the grass was greener,,,,,,,,go then. Now if issues could be rectified that was better but any drama or childish attention getting was not put up with.

I don't think Bennett really has done anything wrong but Irving has basically said the Seahawks can go screw themselves. At this point I think Irving has crossed a line and should be on his way out. He wouldn't stay now next year even if we did pay him what he desires just on principle and what precedence would that send anyway?


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[pmedic920]

We don't use the "F" word on the main page. We don't use it in any shape, form or foreign dialect.
This thread has already required too many edits.
Please stop now.

 

[hawkfan68]

I don't want to trade either of these guys because I believe they add value and are a couple of reasons why the Seahawks have the top ranked defense 3 years running. There is is a significant difference between Bennett griping about money and when Lynch did it. It's not the same situation at all. Lynch was toward the end of his contract, not closer to the beginning like Bennett is. He had 1 year or 2 at the most left. He didn't just sign his contract and after 1 year gripe about more money. Bennett is doing that.

Irvin has a more legitimate gripe than Bennett because the team drafted in his position and also rejected to pick up his option. Therefore, after next year he could be no longer a Seahawk. I can understand his frustration as he's done everything they asked him to do. Irvin's athleticism is off the charts and I don't think he's even reached his ceiling yet as a player. He could be a solid player for a number of years. He's better than Wright, IMO, and they re-signed Wright.

 

[Ambrose83]

I take it nobody here has EVER bitched about how much they are getting paid for the job they are doing.
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Huge diff between making 100k and oh I dont know... 8+ million dollars.

 

[Mistashoesta]

I am flat out sick of armchair GMs who throw hissy fits over players who have the gall to say anything publicly other than "I love Seattle, and the Seahawks, and hope that I can stay a Seahawk forever. I'd even PAY for the opportunity to play here because it's so awesome! Hometown discount? Seattle's not even my hometown, but you betcha!"

The pettiness here is smothering, sometimes.

:th2thumbs:

 

[Scottemojo]

I applaud Irvin for being honest. He loves Quinn as a coach, and wants to play closer to home.

What is wrong with that?

Tate said he would take a home town discount, Hawk fans lapped it up as love, but it wasn't. It was just words. Which is all the stuff from Bennett and Irvin has been.

 

[JaiSeaSea]

I think he should not be renegotiating after 1 year on a contract. If he holds out I think the team will penalize him. I like him on the field most times but I don't believe he is a "great" player and I think what he makes is fair.

On another note I hate how he (and others) watches himself do that stupid sack dance. It so forced and contrived.

 

[RiverDog]

I applaud Irvin for being honest. He loves Quinn as a coach, and wants to play closer to home.

What is wrong with that?

Tate said he would take a home town discount, Hawk fans lapped it up as love, but it wasn't. It was just words. Which is all the stuff from Bennett and Irvin has been.

There's nothing wrong with expressing a desire to play for the team of your childhood dreams. I'd be willing to bet that the majority of players grew up as a fan of a team other than the one they currently play for. It's quite normal. It's also quite normal to want someday to play again for a coach you like that has moved on.

It's the way Irvin's comments came out that bothered me. After stating his preference for playing with the Falcons, Irvin was given a follow up question, would he still want to play for Atlanta even if the Seahawks were to "show him the money" and his answer was equally as blunt. That goes a little beyond simply wanting to some day play for your hometown favorite team. Add those remarks to the profanity laced tweets he made when he found out that the Hawks weren't picking up his option and It puts in doubt his dedication to his teammates and his coaches, or to use Pete's vernacular, I'm not sure if he's "in".

Pete Carroll put his own job on the line when he drafted Irvin. We tend to forget about it as our recent success gives us a little case of amnesia, but back prior to the 2012 season when Irvin was drafted, the Hawks were coming off two consecutive losing seasons. Although he wasn't at any time on the hot seat, Pete's long term job security was by no means a given like it is today. Conventional wisdom had Irvin ranked no better than a 2nd or 3rd round pick and Pete made a major reach to take Irvin at the #15 overall. It was without a doubt the boldest pick of the first round in that draft. Coaches get fired when those types of picks don't work out, but Pete believed in Irvin. Furthermore, Pete and his coaching staff have developed Irvin into a solid starter. He'd be nothing more than a situational pass rushing specialist if they hadn't experimented with him at OLB. Irvin himself called it a career saver. Had it not been for Pete Carroll, Irvin would be looking at a market value somewhat less than it is today.

Irvin's recent remarks have left me cold as an iceberg about him, both personally and professionally. I could give him a pass if he was just some dumb jock that couldn't figure out the business aspects of a decision, but he's an ungrateful SOB as well.

 

[Rob12]

I am flat out sick of armchair GMs who throw hissy fits over players who have the gall to say anything publicly other than "I love Seattle, and the Seahawks, and hope that I can stay a Seahawk forever. I'd even PAY for the opportunity to play here because it's so awesome! Hometown discount? Seattle's not even my hometown, but you betcha!"

The pettiness here is smothering, sometimes.

I think you're one of .NET's better posters. With all due respect, why come inside threads that you know will be like this? I don't agree with the OP at all, but I give him/her credit for not leaving anything to the imagination with the thread title. I guess I just don't get it. I got tired of the Frank Clark talk, so I quit clicking on the threads that were obviously about Frank Clark.

What is equally smothering are the folks who come in these threads and bring condescension to anyone who lets off some steam here. I get that it gets old. I've even got caught up in it a bit myself. I've been a fan for 26 of my 33 years and I can't remember an offseason that had me more schizophrenic and on edge. It doesn't mean that I or anyone else is less intellectually sound than those who can keep a level head throughout all the noise.

Threads like these are born from passion for the Seahawks, and it's channeled in different ways by vastly different people. Everyone thinks and perceives things differently.

This is a city - and state - that has seen its fair share of superstars bolt from the teams we love. There's a massive investment in not only our teams but the players that comprise them. While your view of not expecting players to always sing the praises of Seattle is logically sound, those that sort of freak out about those things do so out of fear and resignation of a place that we have been before. I can always come back and get myself centered, but it takes discussing things and reading the input of others.

This is a site that survives and thrives on discussion - which can easily be described as MMQB. I've been here a long time and that's kinda what this place does.

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I don't spend hardly any time at all on social media. The tweets and postings that I see from players are usually posted here. But to constantly bemoan social media is a fruitless endeavor. It's here to stay, and players are deeply entrenched in it. My grandma also told my dad that television would be the death of social sanity 60 years ago, but here we are. Information is constantly available for us to dissect and discuss, and it's going to conjure up a wide array of thoughts and emotions.

I guess all I'm trying to say is that everyone should cut everyone some slack on all ends. We're all Seahawks fans. I'll continue to avoid threads that I know I will disagree with.

As for this thread, the Seahawks are much better with Bennett + Irvin. - even if they're a bit unhappy.

 

[Reaneypark]

No one looks out for the player in the NFL except the player and his agent, so I don't care if they ask for more money. All I care about is a guy showing up and playing hard for 60 minutes on game day. Everything else is just noise.