Harvin's Return, "just around the corner"

[Wee-Bey]

He didn't say players, he said fans.

My point. His teammates are actually familiar with Percy Harvin the person and man, fans perceptions are constructed from what they hear from the media. I put more credence in one over the other.

Besides, Harvin's problems has been with his coaches, not with his teammates. Read back some touchy feely tweets from Childress or Frazier and perhaps you'll have something.

Hardly any of the players coached by Childress liked him, something that contributed to his being fired. Frazier and Harvin had no issues other than those stemming from Harvins' complaints over the incompetence of Christian Ponder, who is now benched, and his utilization in the Minnesota offense going into the 2012 season.

There is no getting around it. This trade is a big risk.

So was trading for Marshawn Lynch and drafting and starting Russell Wilson.

 

[RiverDog]

He didn't say players, he said fans.

My point. His teammates are actually familiar with Percy Harvin the person and man, fans perceptions are constructed from what they hear from the media. I put more credence in one over the other.

Besides, Harvin's problems has been with his coaches, not with his teammates. Read back some touchy feely tweets from Childress or Frazier and perhaps you'll have something.

Hardly any of the players coached by Childress liked him, something that contributed to his being fired. Frazier and Harvin had no issues other than those stemming from Harvins' complaints over the incompetence of Christian Ponder, who is now benched, and his utilization in the Minnesota offense going into the 2012 season.

There is no getting around it. This trade is a big risk.

So was trading for Marshawn Lynch and drafting and starting Russell Wilson.[/quote]

Not nearly as big of a risk as the Harvin trade. We gave up a #1 and a #3 for Harvin plus signed him to a mega bucks contract. Drafting Russell in the 3rd wasn't near the risk.

Lynch had a few character red flags, but not to the same degree as does Harvin, and all we gave up was a 4th rounder, a fire sale compared to Harvin.

The Harvin trade is a river boat gambler deal compared to the church bingo acquisitions of Wilson and Lynch.

 

[Popeyejones]

Hardly any of the players coached by Childress liked him, something that contributed to his being fired. Frazier and Harvin had no issues other than those stemming from Harvins' complaints over the incompetence of Christian Ponder, who is now benched, and his utilization in the Minnesota offense going into the 2012 season.

So you're saying that of Harvin's two coaches in Minnesota, save for him fighting with his first coach Childress and then b!tching about the quarterback and playcalling under his second coach Frazier, he hasn't had any problems with his coaches.

Yeah, I guess that's true. As long as we exclude both of the head coaches he has played under, he hasn't been hard to manage for any of his coaches.

 

[C-Dub]

Hardly any of the players coached by Childress liked him, something that contributed to his being fired. Frazier and Harvin had no issues other than those stemming from Harvins' complaints over the incompetence of Christian Ponder, who is now benched, and his utilization in the Minnesota offense going into the 2012 season.

So you're saying that of Harvin's two coaches in Minnesota, save for him fighting with his first coach Childress and then b!tching about the quarterback and playcalling under his second coach Frazier, he hasn't had any problems with his coaches.

Yeah, I guess that's true. As long as we exclude both of the head coaches he has played under, he hasn't been hard to manage for any of his coaches.

I'd be pissed too with Childress. I'd also probably b!tch a lot about having Ponder as a QB. He's a stud playmaking WR. He needs the ball in his hands, and Ponder is incapable of doing that reliably.

Harvin wants to win, and he knew exactly what was holding that team back.

 

[Sgt. Largent]

I'd be pissed too with Childress. I'd also probably b!tch a lot about having Ponder as a QB. He's a stud playmaking WR. He needs the ball in his hands, and Ponder is incapable of doing that reliably.

Harvin wants to win, and he knew exactly what was holding that team back.

IMO it had more to do with the Vikings not wanting to give Percy a new long term deal, and were unwilling to even discuss it until he played out his current contract.

You don't threaten to holdout because you don't like your QB, you threaten to holdout because you're not getting paid.

 

[Sports Hernia]

I'm thinking he'll be back for the Rams game if healthy.

 

[RiverDog]

I'd be pissed too with Childress. I'd also probably b!tch a lot about having Ponder as a QB. He's a stud playmaking WR. He needs the ball in his hands, and Ponder is incapable of doing that reliably.

Harvin wants to win, and he knew exactly what was holding that team back.

IMO it had more to do with the Vikings not wanting to give Percy a new long term deal, and were unwilling to even discuss it until he played out his current contract.
You don't threaten to holdout because you don't like your QB, you threaten to holdout because you're not getting paid.

So what about the time last year in the middle of the game when Harvin chased Frazier down the sidelines to read him the riot act? Was that due to the Viks not wanting to give Harvin a long term deal?

Face it, Harvin has had some troubling personality conflicts with his past two coaches. You can explain one away by saying everyone else had problems with him, too, but when it happens a second time with a different HC....

Hopefully it's all in the past. Winning cures a lot of evils, so if we win, I don't think Harvin or anyone else will be difficult to manage.

 

[ImTheScientist]

I'd be pissed too with Childress. I'd also probably b!tch a lot about having Ponder as a QB. He's a stud playmaking WR. He needs the ball in his hands, and Ponder is incapable of doing that reliably.

Harvin wants to win, and he knew exactly what was holding that team back.

IMO it had more to do with the Vikings not wanting to give Percy a new long term deal, and were unwilling to even discuss it until he played out his current contract.
You don't threaten to holdout because you don't like your QB, you threaten to holdout because you're not getting paid.

So what about the time last year in the middle of the game when Harvin chased Frazier down the sidelines to read him the riot act? Was that due to the Viks not wanting to give Harvin a long term deal?

Face it, Harvin has had some troubling personality conflicts with his past two coaches. You can explain one away by saying everyone else had problems with him, too, but when it happens a second time with a different HC....

Hopefully it's all in the past. Winning cures a lot of evils, so if we win, I don't think Harvin or anyone else will be difficult to manage.

We have tons of players with issues. How is it working out? U worried bro?

 

[Sgt. Largent]

I'd be pissed too with Childress. I'd also probably b!tch a lot about having Ponder as a QB. He's a stud playmaking WR. He needs the ball in his hands, and Ponder is incapable of doing that reliably.

Harvin wants to win, and he knew exactly what was holding that team back.

IMO it had more to do with the Vikings not wanting to give Percy a new long term deal, and were unwilling to even discuss it until he played out his current contract.
You don't threaten to holdout because you don't like your QB, you threaten to holdout because you're not getting paid.

So what about the time last year in the middle of the game when Harvin chased Frazier down the sidelines to read him the riot act? Was that due to the Viks not wanting to give Harvin a long term deal?

Face it, Harvin has had some troubling personality conflicts with his past two coaches. You can explain one away by saying everyone else had problems with him, too, but when it happens a second time with a different HC....

Hopefully it's all in the past. Winning cures a lot of evils, so if we win, I don't think Harvin or anyone else will be difficult to manage.

Well, my guess is if Harvin got a fat new contract in Minnesota, he wouldn't have been as inclined to chase Frazier down the sidelines. It's a snowball effect.

Pissed off player forced to play for less money = unhappy with everything and everyone = more apt to act up.

Happy player with fat new contract with new team = more apt to not cause trouble. So rest easy, this is how I expect Harvin to act on the Hawks. He's in a new place, with a new team, and a gets to cash big ass checks every month. No reason for any discontent on his part.

 

[Laloosh]

For all of the back and forth, I'll reserve judgment until he's played a few downs. While I wait, I'll be glad we picked him up based on this:

Adrian Peterson ✔ @AdrianPeterson
The best all around player I ever seen or you'll ever see! Goes to Seattle! I feel like I just got kicked in the stomach. Several times!!!
1:25 PM - 11 Mar 2013

 

[RiverDog]

I'd be pissed too with Childress. I'd also probably b!tch a lot about having Ponder as a QB. He's a stud playmaking WR. He needs the ball in his hands, and Ponder is incapable of doing that reliably.

Harvin wants to win, and he knew exactly what was holding that team back.

IMO it had more to do with the Vikings not wanting to give Percy a new long term deal, and were unwilling to even discuss it until he played out his current contract.
You don't threaten to holdout because you don't like your QB, you threaten to holdout because you're not getting paid.

So what about the time last year in the middle of the game when Harvin chased Frazier down the sidelines to read him the riot act? Was that due to the Viks not wanting to give Harvin a long term deal?

Face it, Harvin has had some troubling personality conflicts with his past two coaches. You can explain one away by saying everyone else had problems with him, too, but when it happens a second time with a different HC....

Hopefully it's all in the past. Winning cures a lot of evils, so if we win, I don't think Harvin or anyone else will be difficult to manage.

Well, my guess is if Harvin got a fat new contract in Minnesota, he wouldn't have been as inclined to chase Frazier down the sidelines. It's a snowball effect.

Pissed off player forced to play for less money = unhappy with everything and everyone = more apt to act up.

Happy player with fat new contract with new team = more apt to not cause trouble. So rest easy, this is how I expect Harvin to act on the Hawks. He's in a new place, with a new team, and a gets to cash big ass checks every month. No reason for any discontent on his part.

Most players are able to compartmentalize the business side of their career from the on the field side, but there are a few where that attribute doesn't come easy, and perhaps Harvin is one of those guys. Even if I were to agree that his contract was the root cause of his chasing his HC down the sidelines in the middle of a game, there's still the fact that he's had more than one run-in with one head coach in his career.

Even if your theory were true, I'm not sure if it's the best thing to have a player on your team that is so preoccupied about money that he's compelled to chase his head coach down the sidelines in the middle of the game.

"For all of the back and forth, I'll reserve judgment until he's played a few downs."

That's what was in my original statement that started all this back-and-forth banter. Without going back and re-reading my post, I think I objected to the assumption that Harvin was "dying" to get back in uniform. I'm not going to make that assumption, although I think I'll wait for more than "a few downs" to pass judgment.

 

[MontanaHawk05]

What most people are trying hard to prove (a poor attitude from Harvin), I'll be content to say I just smell.

 

[ImTheScientist]

What most people are trying hard to prove (a poor attitude from Harvin), I'll be content to say I just smell.

Nope, thats just your stinky upper lip bro.

 

[RolandDeschain]

I'd just like to say that I haven't even read all four of Wee-Bey's posts yet, but that I love him because of his username.

Long live The Wire.

 

[Seeker]

I think percy is doing what rice should have done.
Percy knows with great contracts comes great expectations and he doesn't want to go out there anything less than 100%.

Think i'll stop by a team shop tomorrow and pick me up a mens #11 for myself
(and that womens #25 the mrs been asking about....)

 

[Lords of Scythia]

I'd be pissed too with Childress. I'd also probably b!tch a lot about having Ponder as a QB. He's a stud playmaking WR. He needs the ball in his hands, and Ponder is incapable of doing that reliably.

Harvin wants to win, and he knew exactly what was holding that team back.

IMO it had more to do with the Vikings not wanting to give Percy a new long term deal, and were unwilling to even discuss it until he played out his current contract.
You don't threaten to holdout because you don't like your QB, you threaten to holdout because you're not getting paid.

So what about the time last year in the middle of the game when Harvin chased Frazier down the sidelines to read him the riot act? Was that due to the Viks not wanting to give Harvin a long term deal?

Face it, Harvin has had some troubling personality conflicts with his past two coaches. You can explain one away by saying everyone else had problems with him, too, but when it happens a second time with a different HC....

Hopefully it's all in the past. Winning cures a lot of evils, so if we win, I don't think Harvin or anyone else will be difficult to manage.

We have tons of players with issues. How is it working out? U worried bro?

You buy in or you're out--remember Houshmezata? I seriously doubt there's a playing in the NFL who's going into Wilson and Lynch's huddle and flip them attitude.

 

[Lords of Scythia]

I'd just like to say that I haven't even read all four of Wee-Bey's posts yet, but that I love him because of his username.

Long live The Wire.

I used to think that until I watched the Shield.

 

[RolandDeschain]

I'd just like to say that I haven't even read all four of Wee-Bey's posts yet, but that I love him because of his username.

Long live The Wire.

I used to think that until I watched the Shield.

I love The Shield, and was into that before The Wire. While they're both cop shows, they are wildly different and not comparable. The Wire is ultra-realistic, for starters.

 

[Basis4day]

I'd just like to say that I haven't even read all four of Wee-Bey's posts yet, but that I love him because of his username.

Long live The Wire.

I used to think that until I watched the Shield.

I love The Shield, and was into that before The Wire. While they're both cop shows, they are wildly different and not comparable. The Wire is ultra-realistic, for starters.

Both shows are absolutely fantastic, but are very different animals. It's kind of a shame that The Shield doesn't get the credit it deserves.

 

[Seeker]

I seen Wee-bay playing a cop in a commercial. Just didn't look right.