Wenhawk":3setdaby said:Wonder if this means John Schneider is on the outs
If we go with a new GM, I want Pete's authority as VP stripped. I don't want him to have final say over player acquisition anymore. I think the blunder of a trade made for Adams was enough to warrant that. The new GM should be someone independent of Pete, completely devoid of his influence.SantaClaraHawk":1fmqqwwg said:Wenhawk":1fmqqwwg said:Wonder if this means John Schneider is on the outs
Which would mean...that we'd be stuck with Pete putting his say into whomever the new GM is.
Reminds me a lot of when Martha Ford kept extending Patricia.
I mean, we aren't wrong -- Pete should go. A single playoff win in five years despite having one of the most stable QB positions in the NFL is pretty horrendous. That win was against a Luke McCown led Eagles. Before that our last win was in 2016 against the Lions.toffee":15u0pl1i said:Jody should hangout more on .net, she will be educated by learned 12s here how Pete has been destroying Russ, and why Pete's a must fire.
You can think i'm wrong all you're want, but that doesn't change the reality of the situation. You're just living in denial at this point. The Seahawks have been on a downward trajectory for quite some time. Some of it is due to drafting, poor trades, and bad free agency signings, but the other part of the equation is really poor coaching, especially in situational football.LTH":27dp1dap said:I think you are wrong.
I have made this point about drafting and where the Seahawks are drafting for the past 10 years... Why would anybody think the Seahawks should remain competitive when 25-27 teams in the NFL have the chance to draft better players than the Hawks for 10 years?
LTH
Spin Doctor":2oyyxy4l said:You can think i'm wrong all you're want, but that doesn't change the reality of the situation. You're just living in denial at this point. The Seahawks have been on a downward trajectory for quite some time. Some of it is due to drafting, poor trades, and bad free agency signings, but the other part of the equation is really poor coaching, especially in situational football.LTH":2oyyxy4l said:I think you are wrong.
I have made this point about drafting and where the Seahawks are drafting for the past 10 years... Why would anybody think the Seahawks should remain competitive when 25-27 teams in the NFL have the chance to draft better players than the Hawks for 10 years?
LTH
When I mention the playoff losses, we've lost most of them in the same exact way. Slow start, conservative defense and offense, team gets big lead, we have to bail ourselves out at the 11 hour. How long are we going to play this dance and game?
Carroll is done in the NFL. He's never going to lead the Seahawks anywhere. We've made misstep after misstep under his guide the last few years. Picking late does not excuse some of the decisions the Seahawks have made. In addition to this, several times we've had all-pro/probowl players waiting at our original picks. Just hit on one of those players and we change the roster quite substantially. Also, our trades have been dismal, from Jimmy Graham, Harvin and Jamal Adams all were really bad decisions, Jamal Adams in particular is going to be quite costly and it should prompt Jody Allen to take away Carroll's GM powers.
The Seahawks have achieved all they're ever going to achieve under Pete Carroll, the Seahawks aren't going anywhere with him at the helm. This poor season didn't come out of nowhere, it's been in the making for a long time now.
LTH":34iijyz2 said:Spin Doctor":34iijyz2 said:You can think i'm wrong all you're want, but that doesn't change the reality of the situation. You're just living in denial at this point. The Seahawks have been on a downward trajectory for quite some time. Some of it is due to drafting, poor trades, and bad free agency signings, but the other part of the equation is really poor coaching, especially in situational football.LTH":34iijyz2 said:I think you are wrong.
I have made this point about drafting and where the Seahawks are drafting for the past 10 years... Why would anybody think the Seahawks should remain competitive when 25-27 teams in the NFL have the chance to draft better players than the Hawks for 10 years?
LTH
When I mention the playoff losses, we've lost most of them in the same exact way. Slow start, conservative defense and offense, team gets big lead, we have to bail ourselves out at the 11 hour. How long are we going to play this dance and game?
Carroll is done in the NFL. He's never going to lead the Seahawks anywhere. We've made misstep after misstep under his guide the last few years. Picking late does not excuse some of the decisions the Seahawks have made. In addition to this, several times we've had all-pro/probowl players waiting at our original picks. Just hit on one of those players and we change the roster quite substantially. Also, our trades have been dismal, from Jimmy Graham, Harvin and Jamal Adams all were really bad decisions, Jamal Adams in particular is going to be quite costly and it should prompt Jody Allen to take away Carroll's GM powers.
The Seahawks have achieved all they're ever going to achieve under Pete Carroll, the Seahawks aren't going anywhere with him at the helm. This poor season didn't come out of nowhere, it's been in the making for a long time now.
You didn't address the fact that the Hawks draft lower than most teams in the NFL for 10 years or better. How is it they are supposed to stay competitive? They do stay competitive because Carroll is REALLY good at developing players. some are our draft picks, some come from trades, and some come from FA. yes, Carroll and John Schneider have made some mistakes along the way just like Bill Belichick has.
Am I in denial?
I don't know what's going to happen in the future as I am not smart enough to know that. But I can tell from the past that the Seahawks are a well-coached ball club and Pete Carroll has the respect of his peer's way more than his fan base...to me that says something.
You can list the mistakes and second guess the football decisions all you want it's really easy to do from where you sit but at the same time you have to look at his success as well like Diggs, Dunlap,Dk Metcalf, Lockett, Brooks , Taylor, al woods, and JA who has made a significant impact on this team...
LTH
Yes, you are in denial. Carroll has lost his edge, and the Seahawks have most definitely not been a well coached club. Once again, we've now missed the playoffs in 2 of the last 4 years. Seattle has won a single playoff game in the last 5 years against a 40+ year old Luke McCown. Now, Seattle is going to put up its worst record underneath Pete Carroll. The game against the Bears was a prime example of poor coaching and what is keeping Carroll led teams from advancing in the playoffs. Now that Wilson isn't pulling out 4th quarter comebacks out of thin air, Carroll's deficiencies are in full view.LTH":2pt5gis7 said:Spin Doctor":2pt5gis7 said:You can think i'm wrong all you're want, but that doesn't change the reality of the situation. You're just living in denial at this point. The Seahawks have been on a downward trajectory for quite some time. Some of it is due to drafting, poor trades, and bad free agency signings, but the other part of the equation is really poor coaching, especially in situational football.LTH":2pt5gis7 said:I think you are wrong.
I have made this point about drafting and where the Seahawks are drafting for the past 10 years... Why would anybody think the Seahawks should remain competitive when 25-27 teams in the NFL have the chance to draft better players than the Hawks for 10 years?
LTH
When I mention the playoff losses, we've lost most of them in the same exact way. Slow start, conservative defense and offense, team gets big lead, we have to bail ourselves out at the 11 hour. How long are we going to play this dance and game?
Carroll is done in the NFL. He's never going to lead the Seahawks anywhere. We've made misstep after misstep under his guide the last few years. Picking late does not excuse some of the decisions the Seahawks have made. In addition to this, several times we've had all-pro/probowl players waiting at our original picks. Just hit on one of those players and we change the roster quite substantially. Also, our trades have been dismal, from Jimmy Graham, Harvin and Jamal Adams all were really bad decisions, Jamal Adams in particular is going to be quite costly and it should prompt Jody Allen to take away Carroll's GM powers.
The Seahawks have achieved all they're ever going to achieve under Pete Carroll, the Seahawks aren't going anywhere with him at the helm. This poor season didn't come out of nowhere, it's been in the making for a long time now.
You didn't address the fact that the Hawks draft lower than most teams in the NFL for 10 years or better. How is it they are supposed to stay competitive? They do stay competitive because Carroll is REALLY good at developing players. some are our draft picks, some come from trades, and some come from FA. yes, Carroll and John Schneider have made some mistakes along the way just like Bill Belichick has.
Am I in denial?
I don't know what's going to happen in the future as I am not smart enough to know that. But I can tell from the past that the Seahawks are a well-coached ball club and Pete Carroll has the respect of his peer's way more than his fan base...to me that says something.
You can list the mistakes and second guess the football decisions all you want it's really easy to do from where you sit but at the same time you have to look at his success as well like Diggs, Dunlap,Dk Metcalf, Lockett, Brooks , Taylor, al woods, and JA who has made a significant impact on this team...
LTH
Spin Doctor":d33u6gcu said:Yes, you are in denial. Carroll has lost his edge, and the Seahawks have most definitely not been a well coached club. Once again, we've now missed the playoffs in 2 of the last 4 years. Seattle has won a single playoff game in the last 5 years against a 40+ year old Luke McCown. Now, Seattle is going to put up its worst record underneath Pete Carroll. The game against the Bears was a prime example of poor coaching and what is keeping Carroll led teams from advancing in the playoffs. Now that Wilson isn't pulling out 4th quarter comebacks out of thin air, Carroll's deficiencies are in full view.LTH":d33u6gcu said:Spin Doctor":d33u6gcu said:You can think i'm wrong all you're want, but that doesn't change the reality of the situation. You're just living in denial at this point. The Seahawks have been on a downward trajectory for quite some time. Some of it is due to drafting, poor trades, and bad free agency signings, but the other part of the equation is really poor coaching, especially in situational football.LTH":d33u6gcu said:I think you are wrong.
I have made this point about drafting and where the Seahawks are drafting for the past 10 years... Why would anybody think the Seahawks should remain competitive when 25-27 teams in the NFL have the chance to draft better players than the Hawks for 10 years?
LTH
When I mention the playoff losses, we've lost most of them in the same exact way. Slow start, conservative defense and offense, team gets big lead, we have to bail ourselves out at the 11 hour. How long are we going to play this dance and game?
Carroll is done in the NFL. He's never going to lead the Seahawks anywhere. We've made misstep after misstep under his guide the last few years. Picking late does not excuse some of the decisions the Seahawks have made. In addition to this, several times we've had all-pro/probowl players waiting at our original picks. Just hit on one of those players and we change the roster quite substantially. Also, our trades have been dismal, from Jimmy Graham, Harvin and Jamal Adams all were really bad decisions, Jamal Adams in particular is going to be quite costly and it should prompt Jody Allen to take away Carroll's GM powers.
The Seahawks have achieved all they're ever going to achieve under Pete Carroll, the Seahawks aren't going anywhere with him at the helm. This poor season didn't come out of nowhere, it's been in the making for a long time now.
You didn't address the fact that the Hawks draft lower than most teams in the NFL for 10 years or better. How is it they are supposed to stay competitive? They do stay competitive because Carroll is REALLY good at developing players. some are our draft picks, some come from trades, and some come from FA. yes, Carroll and John Schneider have made some mistakes along the way just like Bill Belichick has.
Am I in denial?
I don't know what's going to happen in the future as I am not smart enough to know that. But I can tell from the past that the Seahawks are a well-coached ball club and Pete Carroll has the respect of his peer's way more than his fan base...to me that says something.
You can list the mistakes and second guess the football decisions all you want it's really easy to do from where you sit but at the same time you have to look at his success as well like Diggs, Dunlap,Dk Metcalf, Lockett, Brooks , Taylor, al woods, and JA who has made a significant impact on this team...
LTH
Are you considering Jamal Adams trade a net positive for the Seahawks since you're listing him as players with a "significant impact"? That doesn't exactly bolster your argument. Seattle gave up significant draft capital, including to be what looks like a top 10 pick for an inbox safety. Think about that for a moment, we traded franchise QB capital for a strong safety. While on the Seahawks he's looked absolutely awful in coverage. He's had a few good games, but he's also been a liability more times than not. Sure, he's going to have an impact on the Seahawks, but not in the way you're thinking. His record setting deal and picks given up are going to hamper this team going forward.
Carroll has lead this team right to the cellar and some of the reasons were on full display during the Bears game. You're definitely in full denial. I'm quite confident that time will prove me correct in my assertions here.
LTH":l5apn0j9 said:You didn't address the fact that the Hawks draft lower than most teams in the NFL for 10 years or better. How is it they are supposed to stay competitive? They do stay competitive because Carroll is REALLY good at developing players. some are our draft picks, some come from trades, and some come from FA. yes, Carroll and John Schneider have made some mistakes along the way just like Bill Belichick has.
Am I in denial?
I don't know what's going to happen in the future as I am not smart enough to know that. But I can tell from the past that the Seahawks are a well-coached ball club and Pete Carroll has the respect of his peer's way more than his fan base...to me that says something.
You can list the mistakes and second guess the football decisions all you want it's really easy to do from where you sit but at the same time you have to look at his success as well like Diggs, Dunlap,Dk Metcalf, Lockett, Brooks , Taylor, al woods, and JA who has made a significant impact on this team...
LTH
Is this a discussion forum or a place where blowhards attempt to forestall discussion by talking about how superior their opinions are?Spin Doctor":2cdxv59c said:You're definitely in full denial. I'm quite confident that time will prove me correct in my assertions here.
Sgt. Largent":2ofeqg79 said:LTH":2ofeqg79 said:You didn't address the fact that the Hawks draft lower than most teams in the NFL for 10 years or better. How is it they are supposed to stay competitive? They do stay competitive because Carroll is REALLY good at developing players. some are our draft picks, some come from trades, and some come from FA. yes, Carroll and John Schneider have made some mistakes along the way just like Bill Belichick has.
Am I in denial?
I don't know what's going to happen in the future as I am not smart enough to know that. But I can tell from the past that the Seahawks are a well-coached ball club and Pete Carroll has the respect of his peer's way more than his fan base...to me that says something.
You can list the mistakes and second guess the football decisions all you want it's really easy to do from where you sit but at the same time you have to look at his success as well like Diggs, Dunlap,Dk Metcalf, Lockett, Brooks , Taylor, al woods, and JA who has made a significant impact on this team...
LTH
1. Belichick has won six SB's, I assume that gives him FAR more leniency than any other coach in the league by a mile when it comes to having a bad season or ownership thinking they might need to make a coaching change.
2. Even after winning six SB's, Belichick has given up some of his draft influence and power because he's realized he hasn't had the best track record of late.
So even the greatest coach in the history of the NFL has enough self awareness to change. Can you even give me one example of Pete doing that?
Cause I can't think of one. He just keeps saying and doing the same things, and as far as I know hasn't given up any of the controls we and other football people think he's deficient at.
LTH":6gojjebe said:Just in The Walderon hiring.... This to me is an example of Pete seeing that his O needs to be more initiative and up dated.
LTH