Anthony!":1gtw7mgw said:Laloosh":1gtw7mgw said:West TX Hawk":1gtw7mgw said:I think you're reading way too much into my post and becoming too defensive over something that's not that big of a deal. The fact that Wilson is currently ranked 2nd all time in this stat is very commendable but obviously this stat doesn't tell the whole story for any QB. As I pointed out, I am taking nothing away from what Wilson has accomplished in his career.
QB ratings can be deceptive and if you introduced someone to football who knew nothing about the game and you show them these rankings they would become quite confused when you try to point out that no, Matt Schaub and David Garrard were not actually more effective than Elway or Staubach. The rating favors many QBs who perform in high percentage passing systems. And comparing eras becomes useless with this stat.
Yeah, I might be too defensive about it. I don't think so but it's possible. I'm a little irritated because if you look at some of those same quarterbacks that you mention (Schaub for example) and look at how they rank in some of the other categories provided above, they're not even close.
My OP was a nod to Wilson's accomplishment. Your response was an attempt to discredit the accomplishment (no matter the importance or accuracy of the stat) from my point of view.
For what it is worth I took it the same way as you , an attempt to discredit or marginalize the accomplishment.
HawkGA":e8ae69sz said:Can't take any list seriously that has Romo at #3. Just can't.
Scottemojo":1hrtb0i3 said:Aaron Rodgers might be in the conversation for best ever.
Wilson is not the 2nd best ever.
And Romo is not the 3rd best ever.
Ratings systems are era skewed. Don't like em, won't trust em. (read that last sentence in your best Mike Singletary voice)
Uncle Si":34rhrm0j said:Anthony!":34rhrm0j said:JimmyG":34rhrm0j said:Definitely.West TX Hawk":34rhrm0j said:QB ratings can be deceptive and if you introduced someone to football who knew nothing about the game and you show them these rankings they would become quite confused when you try to point out that no, Matt Schaub and David Garrard were not actually more effective than Elway or Staubach. The rating favors many QBs who perform in high percentage passing systems. And comparing eras becomes useless with this stat.
Wilson has a rating of 96.7 yesterday after his tremendous game on Sunday. Guess where that ranks among NFL quarterbacks? 11th. Eleventh! A rating that high in the 70's or 80's would've lead the league in most seasons. Today, it's a relatively common number to see.
Here are the leaders in combined passer rating since the beginning of 2012:
1. Aaron Rodgers - 107.5
2. Peyton Manning - 101.8
3. Drew Brees - 99.6
4. Tony Romo- 98.4
5. Russell Wilson - 98.2
6. Ben Roethlisberger - 97.5
7. Tom Brady - 97.2
That tells you all you need to know. Second-best all-time, and yet only fifth-best among his peers during his career. Wilson has great numbers, there's no denying it. Obviously, the names surrounding him on that list are all really good. Historical comparisons are of very tenuous value though.
either way you look at it, it is something that should be being received positively not being trivialized. FYI other than Romo and Wilson all of those guys are HOF bound. With Romo and Wilson TBD
Opening up the conversation a little to what QB Rating is and what it's an indicator of is not "trivializing" the conversation, but adding to it.
Sgt Largent":y7ixyjow said:The vitriol on both sides of this fence is laughable at times. Wilson doesn't do everything right. He's also far from a journeyman Joe Blow. As soon as this team learns to convert Redzone opportunities into TD's this type of discussion will be dust in the wind.
HawkGA":2o8v1dei said:Can't take any list seriously that has Romo at #3. Just can't.
HawkGA":2e943rmy said:Can't take any list seriously that has Romo at #3. Just can't.
SeaChase":3tsqojny said:You may want to wait till the end of his career before you start arguing about career QB ratings. Because your franchise QB is sitting at #18 with a rating of 60.7 for 2015. http://espn.go.com/nfl/qbr
SeaChase":1cve42zo said:You may want to wait until the end of his career before you start arguing about career QB ratings. Because your franchise QB is sitting at #18 with a rating of 60.7 for 2015. http://espn.go.com/nfl/qbr
chawx":2xofehks said:KiwiHawk":2xofehks said:....
I am not championing QBR by any means, but for contrast I present WIlson's rank this year, which is 18th. By that rating system he is the 18th best QB in the league. [sic] When I look at the season, as a whole, I see Wilson at or near where QBR sees him...
I will now list 17 QBs in the NFL right now who I would rather have run this offense—not, their offense (ie. the offense that QB runs) but THIS offense, with THIS OC, and with THIS offensive line protecting them....
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Hmm.
K, nevermind. I can't get a single name. Call me a homer... but I'd like to see your list of 17 SEVENTEEN QBs who you think would be better on this team, right now. with this OC, and this O-line.
Go.
Yeah, cause everybody knows how into stats I am.scutterhawk":2sgtppqh said:No, he's doing exactly what Pete Carroll want's of him.....It ain't about the stats Tickle.Tical21":2sgtppqh said:Passer rating basically boils down to TD/Int ratio. It is kind of a cool list. A lot of those guys are really aggressive and can maintain a high passer rating. I think those are where you're talking about the elite of the elite.
It's an interesting question. Would we prefer Russell's rating to be a little bit lower in exchange for being a bit more aggressive in terms of the windows he is willing to throw the ball into?
SeaChase":1uaqm8ny said:You may want to wait until the end of his career before you start arguing about career QB ratings. Because your franchise QB is sitting at #18 with a rating of 60.7 for 2015. http://espn.go.com/nfl/qbr
Seafan":13l0e2pl said:His agent doesn't want people looking at stats but wins and losses. Well, this season he's 5-5. No way has he earned his pay this year. He's simply the most overpaid QB in Seahawk history.