What is your gut telling you?

[flv2]

Russ‘s ego and desire to be the best player in the history of the NFL was once his biggest strength but for the Seahawks it became the team‘s biggest weakness

Wilson was traded for multiple high picks. Norton Jr. was fired. Pretty clear who was a plus and who was a minus.

 

[MD5eahawks]

I do not expect them to win more than 4 games. I wouldn't, however, be surprised to see them win the first game. My gut says they will get their ass handed to them though.

 

[Sgt. Largent]

My gut tells me this is a bad football team led by a coach on the downside of his NFL career who's still trying to apply his antiquated philosophies into the modern game of football surrounded by far superior coaches and GM's in his own division that are just entering their prime.

Still enough talent to win maybe 4-6 games, but with the worst QB play in the entire league means the margin for errors will be zero............and as we've already seen this preseason this young team is nowhere capable of making it through four quarters every week without 2-3 game crippling mistakes that'll doom any chance of eeking out wins in the 4th quarter.

 

[hgwellz12]

1000% ^^

 

[TwistedHusky]

Pretty much my take too.

 

[Mike D in 332]

I think you mean common sense.

Lol. I think we disagree but I respect your opinion

 

[Mike D in 332]

The game has passed him by. His philosophy is old fashioned and he tried to run it for years without the personnel to execute it. He meddles in everything even if it was working. His game planning in the post season has been an outright joke. He has outright admitted to not understanding what the other team was doing on more than one occasion. Heck he threw his cell phone instead of the red flag last season for a challenge. The guy is cooked. He needed to be put out to the pasture years ago.

I definitely can’t disagree that he was caught in the middle. When he should have stuck to his guns, he tried to allow other contributors a place at the ultimate decision table. However, he has risen from the ashes before and I think he will do it again. Every time Pete Carroll‘s been successful he has gone inside himself and come out with his own philosophy and his own plan and stuck to it. If you don’t think Pete understands where he’s at in his career than you don’t know this guy at all.
Also as a Pittsburgh Steelers fan I would think you would understand sticking with the coach beyond what the media says is a viable time for that coach to be successful. Cough cough… Bill Cowher and every other coach you guys have had that’s been successful like Chuck Noll.

 

[Mike D in 332]

Cmon now….PC doesn’t need a good QB. The hood .net folks tell you that.

Is that sarcasm for the hood.net folks? I really don’t know??? I think every coach needs a good/great QB. IMO we just aren’t going to pay top dollar for a middling QB in the first year of a reload/rebuild/your name for it. I think the situation is requiring us to be patient because it’s so much easier to build your roster when you aren’t paying a QB big dollars. There are many ways to build a roster in the NFL. Most of the successful teams follow the philosophy of having a great roster and then adding an adequate to great QB to get over the top. There are many ways to add that QB. You can draft them, you can sign them in free agency or you can trade for them.

 

[Mike D in 332]

I predict a record ranging from 3 and 13 to 5 and 11. Not expecting much in the way of good things from the offense as we have not improved in any way. The defense will be ok early in games until they get gassed after numerous 3 and out series.

Interesting take. I look at us more as a team that will fall behind early and then learn and try to make a comeback. Sometimes making it and sometimes falling short

 

[Mike D in 332]

1000% ^^

Is that 1000% of Sgt. Largent’s take? Just curious

 

[Mike D in 332]

My gut tells me this is a bad football team led by a coach on the downside of his NFL career who's still trying to apply his antiquated philosophies into the modern game of football surrounded by far superior coaches and GM's in his own division that are just entering their prime.

Still enough talent to win maybe 4-6 games, but with the worst QB play in the entire league means the margin for errors will be zero............and as we've already seen this preseason this young team is nowhere capable of making it through four quarters every week without 2-3 game crippling mistakes that'll doom any chance of eeking out wins in the 4th quarter.

I know you’re a seasoned Seahawks fan who has spent a lot of time analyzing the team and the make up over the decades. I respect you. I think you make a lot of good points in this post. I think I agree with you even though I want to be more optimistic. I think my fear right now is underestimating this team because alot of my instincts tell me to expect a 1990s Seahawks product. This is a developmental season for the Seattle Seahawks.
I didn’t want Pete Carroll to be the coach of the Seahawks when he was hired because I thought he was kind of smarmy. He won me over with his relentless “you might beat us but we’re gonna make it hard on you” attitude. I’m going to stick by Pete here and say I think he has what it takes if we stick with him over the next five years to get us back to the Super Bowl. It feels weird to say, but that puts me in the minority of Seahawks fans. I welcome the naysayers and doomsdayers who think this team is messed up forever until we get rid of Pete to follow up with me when it all blows up and we are not good three years from now. I think the Hawks are elite three years from now.
This is a long-term plan with an old man at the helm. I believe this is a beautiful swan song and I’m excited for the ride.

 

[hgwellz12]

Is that 1000% of Sgt. Largent’s take? Just curious

Affirmative.

 

[GemCity]

Is that sarcasm for the hood.net folks? I really don’t know??? I think every coach needs a good/great QB. IMO we just aren’t going to pay top dollar for a middling QB in the first year of a reload/rebuild/your name for it. I think the situation is requiring us to be patient because it’s so much easier to build your roster when you aren’t paying a QB big dollars. There are many ways to build a roster in the NFL. Most of the successful teams follow the philosophy of having a great roster and then adding an adequate to great QB to get over the top. There are many ways to add that QB. You can draft them, you can sign them in free agency or you can trade for them.

My apologies…auto-correct. I meant “good” and not “hood”.

Yes, 100% sarcasm. If you’ve been around here for at least a few years, you may have noticed repeated, nauseating talk about how PC didn’t need a franchise QB, or how Russ didn’t spread the field, or endless posts about RWs wife and brand and…we only need a game manager, etc…

Lots of hoopla from the same crowd over and over.

Folks got their wish and here we are. It’d be nice if they maintained their stance though. You know, stick to their guns. I fear all that banter is quieting down as it’s getting close to the start of the season. Some of those folks are already responding to threads about who we’re drafting at QB next year. Shame shame.

 

[GemCity]

My gut tells me this is a bad football team led by a coach on the downside of his NFL career who's still trying to apply his antiquated philosophies into the modern game of football surrounded by far superior coaches and GM's in his own division that are just entering their prime.

Still enough talent to win maybe 4-6 games, but with the worst QB play in the entire league means the margin for errors will be zero............and as we've already seen this preseason this young team is nowhere capable of making it through four quarters every week without 2-3 game crippling mistakes that'll doom any chance of eeking out wins in the 4th quarter.

Off to the Brig for you Sgt! Desecration of our savior, Geno. Maybe it’s Lock? Anyways

 

[Lagartixa]

I hate that narrative that Russ was bound and determined to leave. That we couldn't keep him.

I doubt Russ would leave if he was the man and we gave him the keys to the franchise. Seattle is a bigger media market than Denver. Not only that but there is more money here.

Russ likely left because he wanted to be in an offensively focused team with an offensively focused coach. That would be Denver right now.
(Denver's defense has clearly gotten worse. But they still have an exceptional OL and will do better with worse offensive weapons.)

It was a choice between Pete and Russ. Russ did not leave for no reason. The only people that are making that excuse right now are Pete's camp, but it only came to a head when they extended Pete for more years. Russ likely would have stayed if they did an Aaron Rodgers with him.

So now we have Pete. This year is probably a wash. The likely best case is we find another star QB using JS' secret QB powers and then start the engine again.

But if Pete fails here, and that is likely - we are going to really regret letting an exceptional, even if flawed, QB go for a coach that every bit of data screamed was going to fail.

Russ might be a piece of work. Agreed. But so is Rogers. Green Bay made it work and so they are still a playoff team. We didn't and in fact doubled down on our aging, less effective, maybe propped up by the QB for the past 5 years, head coach.

We will see. But it has to work since it is all we got. The record this year hardly matters. It is where we go from here that does, and ALL of that HINGES on getting a star QB. Not even to be a SB team but to be something like the Steelers, a regular playoff threat.

Wilson saw what Brady did - he left his old team with a big dead-money hole on its salary cap and went to a team that was stacked pretty much everywhere except QB, and the result is that mediots like Cowherd now say that Brady's departure from the Patriots and success with the Bucs "proves" that the QB is responsible for 70% of the success that a good QB-HC combo has.
So Wilson demanded a trade privately, but publicly said he was surprised by the trade, even though he was unsuccessfully trying to recruit other players to play on the Broncos with him before the trade happened. He rejcted being traded to Washington, which offered a much better-for-the-Seahawks deal because Washington's roster is still relatively weak, and he accepted waiving his no-trade clause to go to the Broncos because they had a much stronger roster. They have a highly regarded offensive line, a bunch of "weapons," and a good defense. Basically, all they needed was a QB.
Wilson wants to go there and have people blindly compare the Broncos' and Seahawks' W-L records in 2022 and say basically what the Wilson fans on this board say: that Wilson was responsible for everything good that's happened in Seahawks football since 2012, and Carroll is responsible for everything bad that's happened.

 

[keasley45]

If the Broncos didn't already have a few titles under their belt, I'd almost feel bad for them.

 

[Sgt. Largent]

Off to the Brig for you Sgt! Desecration of our savior, Geno. Maybe it’s Lock? Anyways

Unfortunately I think it's neither.

We're all arguing about who's the better backup QB really. All I'm saying is at least there's a 10-20% percent chance Lock could mature and elevate his skill set enough to become a starting NFL QB. Because he has the physical skill set.

Geno's Geno. Mediocre. Safe. Not sure how anyone could see this differently when the dude's been in the league for 10 years.

 

[TwistedHusky]

Lagartixa,
I agree with about half of your post. Brady finding a stacked team was a driver to Wilson's decision. Completely agree with that part.

But I don't think Wilson wants all the credit for the success here, since the success hinged on the LOB. Wilson probably wants the benefit for the doubt for his coach holding him back, which seems reasonable.
And I wouldn't call the Bronco stacked. They have a decent line. Middling WRs. Average TEs. Decent RB. Good to very good defense but not exceptional, and that was with a defensive HC - probably worse without him.

Also, Wilson is very focused on building his brand outside of football, there are a lot more opportunities to do that from Seattle than Denver. I am betting if the team made him the figurehead like Aaron Rodgers, and wrapped everything around him - (ie brought in an exceptional offensive HC) he would have stayed. This is conjecture but so is your assertion that Wilson was gone regardless.
By most logic, Wilson shouldn't have even extended the first time - but he did. So major change like moving to another franchise is a bigger decision than staying put and building everything around what you already know works.

If we had refused to extend Pete, as we should have, I am betting we would not only still have Wilson but have a much better trajectory forward.

 

[BASF]

If we had refused to extend Pete, as we should have, I am betting we would not only still have Wilson but have a much better trajectory forward.

This is laugh worthy. Once Wilson gets his fifty million plus guaranteed a year, whatever team he is on, will go nowhere. He is not good enough to make it past the first round of the playoffs with his sandlot since college style of play.

 

[keasley45]

She said he wanted this change. Well thats true. After finally realizing they were never going to get rid of Carroll, he wanted out. I would too. Jody signed Pete to his ridiculous 5 year extension and thats when Russ went public about needing help on the Oline. Carroll half assed the concern as usual and Wilson finally had enough. Its no mystery. He would have loved finishing his career in Seattle, but knew it was futile trying to move forward with Pete Carroll. He is in a better spot now while Seattle is once again the laughing stock of the league.

Where is this morale you keep speaking of? Maybe with the rookies, but the veterans realize they are going to stink. It will only get worse as the losing persists.

Leadership screwed the pooch with Carrolls extension. Jody was fine with it because she doesnt have to get involved now. She just hands the reigns over to Pete and lets him babysit everything. She'll realize her error when Seattle is still struggling to be a .500 or below team 3 years from now.

Pitt -

Russ has been squirming and butt hurt since John and Pete showed interest in Allen and Mahomes. He gained control of the narrative about any criticism that might have been pointed at him for his play andnwhy they were looking in the first place, by launching a full on campaign to sh!t on the HC and FO and blame his struggles and lack of titles on them. ie - not aggressive enough on offense... not giving him time to pass, etc. Etc. Etc. He was being second guessed as the #1 and couldn't handle it.

An anonymous source from the LOB stated EXACTLY that in the Athletic article last year, so it's not some wild conspiracy theory. Russ didn't like being called out. And you need not look any further than his behavior in post game pressers last year to get a read on how obstinate he'd become.

Everything from 2019 forward was him positioning himself for what he knew was coming. John wasn't going to pay him. And not paying him would lead to questions as to why on earth FO wouldn't pay a guy like Russ, who by all accounts was an elite, Rodgers / Brady esque player. The answer that would have been presented and talked about in the media for months of failed negotiation would be people actually digging into his play and elevating doubt about how 'elite' he really is. BTW, the only Elite qb of this era to be questioned re his 'eliteness'... #3.

He defended his legacy in not allowing the true, public evaluation to really take hold ( but the questions are still there, even outside of Seattle) and maintained his squeaky clean image by playing the denial game right up to the post game presser where he denied knowing until it happened. Although it's been confirmed he discussed his pending departure two weeks prior...

What happened between. Russ and the FO was a classic case of... I knew you weren't in love with me anymore, so I broke up with you first.

Pete did himself Zero favors by not standing up to the nonsense 4 years ago and even earlier as the LOB and spirit of the team was slowly fractured and broken by his desire to build a team around a protected qb, rather than the competitive philosophy he pioneered that has been since copied by every team in the league. He made it, and then walked away from it.

So the reason the team has a swagger again is because that attitude is back. The swagger is back, and above all, the competitive spirit is back. So whether Geno or Lock are the answer this year is immaterial. This team will be good agai, sooner, rather than later. And they'll succeed on the formula that only stopped working because it was allowed to be hijacked by its creator.

But the ownership and John were very clear that they were done with the BS. And now, from ownership to John, to Pete, offense and defense, this team is a TEAM again. The sideshow surrounding the QB is in Denver now. Just check your fav media outlet for the latest updates.

Our QBs might only be a bridge, but at least them saying they're bought into the team isn't just lip service.