WR play to date

[CEHawk]

You guys are still stuck on the precision passing-attack of the Holmgren era and the fast-twice decisions of Matt Hasselbeck and the old-school West Coast Offense. This Bevell offense is not that! Not even close. This is a TYPE of WCO, but more a long pattern, big-play offense that takes time to develop from the WR's. It takes O-line players that can sustain blocks longer than traditional WCO offenses need, and with they guys we have, it is simply difficult to do right now.

Take the blame OFF the WR's and on the offensive plan and onto the O-line. For some evidence, look at the 4th quarter when Bevell FINALLY went to a quick-hitting offense. We moved the ball and found WR's open.

It's NOT the WR's.

^^ Agree 100%

 

[getnasty]

You guys are still stuck on the precision passing-attack of the Holmgren era and the fast-twice decisions of Matt Hasselbeck and the old-school West Coast Offense. This Bevell offense is not that! Not even close. This is a TYPE of WCO, but more a long pattern, big-play offense that takes time to develop from the WR's. It takes O-line players that can sustain blocks longer than traditional WCO offenses need, and with they guys we have, it is simply difficult to do right now.

Take the blame OFF the WR's and on the offensive plan and onto the O-line. For some evidence, look at the 4th quarter when Bevell FINALLY went to a quick-hitting offense. We moved the ball and found WR's open.

It's NOT the WR's.

4th quarter was better but to say we found open WR's is a stretch. Russell Wilson running the ball was way more effective then Russell Wilson throwing the ball. I don't think were stuck on the Holgrem era, I think everyone is expecting to see what we saw the last half of last year. Oline has been bad, but WR's need to find some more separation and RW needs to find a way to get them the ball.

 

[THUGCAPS]

Even when Russell gets time in the pocket, no one is open. Here's a thought: Tate at RB. The guy is magic every single time he gets the ball, but the only time he's open is on punt returns. Imagine him running screens and swing passes out of the backfield or being a check down for Russell. And we've all seen what he can do in the blocking game (see Sean Lee, Dwight Lowery). Dude packs a punch and isn't afraid of anyone. Tate and Marshawn lined up in the backfield, that would be something. This scenario would also give more playing time to Kearse, who seems to get the most separation out of all the wideouts. Kearse also has the best WR specs of the bunch, not including Harvin. We've seen his speed on that kick return in the preseason, we've seen his ability to go up and get the ball, we've seen his strength when he blocks. Tate is short (he can go up and get it) with no long speed, and Rice is lanky with no speed. Can't really say anything bad about Baldwin, he's saved our asses twice this season with amazing sideline catches. His catch yesterday was literally one of the greatest catches ever (you just can't tip toe any better than that). I don't know why Stephen Williams isn't out there more, the team desperately needs a deep ball threat. The bottom line is they just can't get separation. Each WR has something that they are great in, but getting open is not one of those things. Obviously, the banged up o-line is playing a huge part in everything bad that's happening with this offense. I think this separation problem will vanish when Harvin gets back, he is exactly what we need to take pressure off of everyone else.

 

[Happypuppy]

The receivers are covered. It is not the offensive scheme that has anything to do with it. Rice is not getting separation nor Kearse at least yesterday. The window Wilson is having to throw to is very small. However the defensive backfield for Houston played very well.

Tate at RB. Yes, I think that is a good idea as well. Bubble screens etc

 

[Jazzhawk]

I think Tate at RB is one of the most short-sighted and foolish ideas I've seen on this board. Wow.

 

[Happypuppy]

I think Tate at RB is one of the most short-sighted and foolish ideas I've seen on this board. Wow.

How so? I am not saying as a runner. Much like they plan on using Harvin, and that he did do well in Min. Getting him the ball in space

 

[THUGCAPS]

I think Tate at RB is one of the most short-sighted and foolish ideas I've seen on this board. Wow.

Give me a reason why. I'm not saying we actually switch his position to RB, just line him up and see what happens

 

[getnasty]

They've actually lined Tate up out of the running back spot a couple of times this year. Both times he just ran a swing route and gained good yardage, great way to get him matched up on a linebacker. It's something they could do a couple times a game but certainly not a every down answer.

 

[CEHawk]

I believe this is the problem not just for the Houston game, but all season.

ESPN "Russell Wilson was under duress, hit while throwing or sacked on 16-of-34 dropbacks (47% of total dropbacks) after being pressured on 27-of-73 dropbacks (37%) in his first three games."

You can point at the O-Line or the playcalling but either way Bevell is not calling plays that you call to counter this kind of pressure. Screen passes and play action to start.

 

[AgentDib]

It is a bit silly to take the play calling from the 4th quarter and assume it would have worked out the same way in the 1st quarter. The Texans were rightly playing a much more conservative brand of defense late in the game given their two score lead.

There was a lot more room on those short plays because they were making sure we had to use clock and didn't get any quick big plays that would let us back into the game. It probably would have worked, too, if the Texans offense hadn't choked and given our defense the chance to save the day.

I think Tate at RB is one of the most short-sighted and foolish ideas I've seen on this board. Wow.

Will you be surprised to see Harvin in the backfield?

 

[SalishHawkFan]

Per Football Outsiders (yes, you KNEW an FO reference was coming): Doug Baldwin is ranked 7th in DYAR and 1st in DVOA in the entire league. While some may prefer DYAR, I don't. I think value per play is more meaningful, especially when considering WR's because the QB factors into the stat and DVOA shows, IMO, the WR's "clutch" factor better.

And who can deny Baldwin is Mr. Clutch? DVOA reflects that.

Tate: 18th in DYAR and 8th in DVOA.

Rice: 39th in DYAR and 20th in DVOA.

That's after 3 weeks, not including Houston, which will undoubtedly boost Baldwin's #1 ranking. ALL THREE of our WR's could start for any other NFL team and be great. But let's put them into perspective.

Baldwin: Ranked higher than the highest ranked WR on Denver - Wes Welker. Interestingly, both play the same role. Welker beats out Baldwin on DYAR, barely, and barely loses out on DVOA.
Tate: Ranked higher than DeMaryius Thomas on DYAR and far above him on DVOA.
Rice: Ranked higher than Decker on DYAR and far above him on DVOA.

Those three WR's have the fabled Peyton Manning throwing to them.

I'm very happy with all three WR's we have on our team.

 

[Bigpumpkin]

Anyone else get the feeling Rice is not quite right? I think his knee is giving him issues. He is not getting any separation and his cuts are not as sharp and abrupt.

Tate looks good as does Baldwin. We need Kearse to step up and get Williams more involved as well.

I agree....I think that Rice has "lost a step" this year.

 

[Jazzhawk]

I think Tate at RB is one of the most short-sighted and foolish ideas I've seen on this board. Wow.

Give me a reason why. I'm not saying we actually switch his position to RB, just line him up and see what happens

Well that's different. You're initial post made it sound like you wanted to replace Lynch and that's how I took it. Personally, I'd rather have Marshawn used more like LT was with the Chargers and Marshall Faulk with the Rams. He's a decent receiver and could do some damage that way.

 

[Basis4day]

Probably gets pointed out once a week, so might as well do it again.

We're a run first team designed to beat you up in the first half and take over in the 2nd when the defense is worn down. 3 of our last 4 games have been up against some damn elite front 7's. You need to factor that in when evaluating an offense. Give the opponents a hint of credit in slowing us down.