Wilson's backup

[onanygivensunday]

I think is was Chris that broached the subject of the Hawks drafting a good QB prospect ; to train and develop for a backup role right away or a possible starting position in the future . I agree with that versus bringing in veteran retreads that can't or won't be anything but an emergency arm that nobody wants to see on the field . GO HAWKS

Perhaps they'll draft one in 2020 since we're currently expecting to have ten (10) draft picks going into the draft... and we all know that Pete and John can easily turn that into 12 to 14 picks if they want to.

 

[pehawk]

Threads like this make us all look like rubes.

 

[acer1240]

Threads like this make us all look like rubes.

DK at DE would like a word with you.

 

[pehawk]

Threads like this make us all look like rubes.

DK at DE would like a word with you.

Maybe we should create a thread about how bad DK is as a backup QB?

 

[IndyHawk]

Threads like this make us all look like rubes.

:lol:

 

[acer1240]

He doesn't have the "it" factor to be a success in this league.

He is too slow on his reads and his decision making is questionable at best.

 

[IndyHawk]

For what RW is getting paid we don't need a backup.
He can play on one leg with a dead arm and we still
can win.

 

[xray]

Threads like this make us all look like rubes.

DK at DE would like a word with you.

Maybe we should create a thread about how bad DK is as a backup QB?

That BS was last week . Catch up .

 

[xray]

For what RW is getting paid we don't need a backup.
He can play on one leg with a dead arm and we still
can win.

What's scary is that some really think that Wilson is superman.

 

[pehawk]

Threads like this make us all look like rubes.

DK at DE would like a word with you.

Maybe we should create a thread about how bad DK is as a backup QB?

That BS was last week . Catch up .

Fair.

Sorry man.

 

[xray]

Foles wins a super bowl...Mullens beat the Hawks last year . I know good backups are tough to come by ; so what's wrong with the Hawks drafting their own young QB to develop for that role and more . Preparing for the future is a must in this league . IMO

 

[toffee]

Wilson missed practice Friday to attend his grandfathers funeral . Smith and Lynch had their chances with the ball and according to everybody they both really sucked . A decent backup is necessary in this league . Can they find one asap ?

When was the last time we had a decent backup? Jackson?

Jackson's a lot more than just a backup, Jackson was the ONLY qb that Doug Baldwin thanked post retirement.

 

[xray]

Wilson missed practice Friday to attend his grandfathers funeral . Smith and Lynch had their chances with the ball and according to everybody they both really sucked . A decent backup is necessary in this league . Can they find one asap ?

When was the last time we had a decent backup? Jackson?

Jackson's a lot more than just a backup, Jackson was the ONLY qb that Doug Baldwin thanked post retirement.

Was there ever a thread on that topic . If there was I missed it . I guessed that they both were underdogs and became friends in the locker room and beyond . I doubt that Wilson was ever a locker room buddy of Baldwin .

 

[KiwiHawk]

For what RW is getting paid we don't need a backup.
He can play on one leg with a dead arm and we still
can win.

What's scary is that some really think that Wilson is superman.

Some on the "no backup" bandwagon are of the opinion that if Wilson goes down, so does the season, so there's little point having a backup. As an added bonus, if Wilson is out for an extended period of time, it would actually be beneficial to lose the games and get the higher draft pick.

 

[QuahHawk]

I figured Geno would be better than a number of other backups. He is not likely to be a future NFL starter at this point but his experience is nice. Paxton is still inexperienced enough to say he could be a starter some day but his time is running out. So upside may be higher with Paxton but we have our QB locked up so Geno would be my pick.

 

[AgentDib]

If needed ; which can happen at any time ; can either of those two start and win a game ; even against the weakest opponents on this years schedule ? I think not.

You should think about that a little bit more. Geno Smith has won 12 games in the NFL on worse teams than ours should be this season and even Paxton Lynch won one of his four starts on a terrible Broncos team. Nobody thinks they are particularly good but the QB is still just one position and the better QB doesn't always win in real NFL games.

Mullens beat the Hawks last year . I know good backups are tough to come by...

You are the first person I've ever seen to be jealous over Nick Mullens as a backup QB. He is not a particularly good backup and his 3 wins last season just demonstrate that mediocre QBs do still occasionally win NFL games.

I think is was Chris that broached the subject of the Hawks drafting a good QB prospect ; to train and develop for a backup role right away or a possible starting position in the future . I agree with that versus bringing in veteran retreads that can't or won't be anything but an emergency arm that nobody wants to see on the field

The fundamental problem here is scarcity. We have a finite amount of draft picks, our salary is constrained by a salary cap, our roster is limited to 53 players, and even practice time is limited by player's association.

The argument is not whether it would be good to add a promising QB to the roster but whether that is a better idea than our other options with the same resources. The QB position carries a hefty premium due to it's importance and so getting a good one requires a lot of resources. What positions would you downgrade in order to afford to spend more resources (draft picks, money, time) on backup QB than we are already doing?

 

[chris98251]

If needed ; which can happen at any time ; can either of those two start and win a game ; even against the weakest opponents on this years schedule ? I think not.

You should think about that a little bit more. Geno Smith has won 12 games in the NFL on worse teams than ours should be this season and even Paxton Lynch won one of his four starts on a terrible Broncos team. Nobody thinks they are particularly good but the QB is still just one position and the better QB doesn't always win in real NFL games.

Mullens beat the Hawks last year . I know good backups are tough to come by...

You are the first person I've ever seen to be jealous over Nick Mullens as a backup QB. He is not a particularly good backup and his 3 wins last season just demonstrate that mediocre QBs do still occasionally win NFL games.

I think is was Chris that broached the subject of the Hawks drafting a good QB prospect ; to train and develop for a backup role right away or a possible starting position in the future . I agree with that versus bringing in veteran retreads that can't or won't be anything but an emergency arm that nobody wants to see on the field

The fundamental problem here is scarcity. We have a finite amount of draft picks, our salary is constrained by a salary cap, our roster is limited to 53 players, and even practice time is limited by player's association.

The argument is not whether it would be good to add a promising QB to the roster but whether that is a better idea than our other options with the same resources. The QB position carries a hefty premium due to it's importance and so getting a good one requires a lot of resources. What positions would you downgrade in order to afford to spend more resources (draft picks, money, time) on backup QB than we are already doing?

We got Wilson with a third rounder, Brady was a 6th rounder and back up for Bledsoe, Hasselbeck was what a 6th rounder also. You don't have to burn money to develop a good back up could be starter, just due diligence and know what you need in your system and not go for flash, also having a QB coach that can work on any weaknesses and develop them into strengths or at least average. We have what maybe 11 draft picks next year, ya think burning one on a QB is going to cost us a Super Bowl?

We have sunk a lot of resources into the draft the last couple years, were at the point again where they should be stepping up and positions draft picks can take will become harder anyway.

 

[5_Golden_Rings]

Kaepernick is the answer. :stirthepot:

 

[AgentDib]

We got Wilson with a third rounder, Brady was a 6th rounder and back up for Bledsoe, Hasselbeck was what a 6th rounder also.

Drafting a great QB with a late draft pick is an excellent plan, in the same vein as planning to win all of our games or planning not to have any injuries. We are all on board for the concept but it turns out to be rather difficult to execute.

I'm completely on board with drafting a QB if we feel that a good prospect falls to us at a decent value. That is just extremely unlikely given the premium on the position and how desperate teams are over drafting QBs by multiple rounds in some situations.

 

[chris98251]

We got Wilson with a third rounder, Brady was a 6th rounder and back up for Bledsoe, Hasselbeck was what a 6th rounder also.

Drafting a great QB with a late draft pick is an excellent plan, in the same vein as planning to win all of our games or planning not to have any injuries. We are all on board for the concept but it turns out to be rather difficult to execute.

I'm completely on board with drafting a QB if we feel that a good prospect falls to us at a decent value. That is just extremely unlikely given the premium on the position and how desperate teams are over drafting QBs by multiple rounds in some situations.

So since it is so difficult how have we managed to get Dave Kreig, Matt Hasselbeck, Russell Wilson, QB's that have been a very large part of this franchise. If it is so hard then how have we succeeded on a level that is the cornerstone for most the teams we have fielded, ya can probably throw Jim Zorn in their as well.

Sometimes it is better to be lucky then good granted, but unless you want Dan McGwire and or Kelly Stouffer, you need a guy that can make things work for your QB, Holmgren, Jerry Roehm I think was here with Zorn, and Pete knowing what kind of QB he had and gave him the ability to use his talents. To many teams try to fit a QB into a box they are not suited for.