Why on earth did pete not call time out?

[dontbelikethat]

No, I didn't miss that part. Did you miss the part where they had all 3 timeouts with 32 seconds to go? If they intended to go for it, wouldn't they have called a timeout?

Because if TB doesn't convert, now the Seahawks have a chance to drive 20-30 yards in that amount of time still left on the clock and then the odds are very in our chance to win the game. At first I was confused too, but then I thought about it and it makes sense especially when they still had their O on the field and not the punt team.

Schiano liked his chances better with a fresh start in OT rather than a do or die attempt in the 4th quarter.

 

[AbsolutNET]

Half the stadium, including my two buddies that were with me in attendance, were screaming for Pete to call a timeout.

That means the other half wasn't. What's your point?

 

[-The Glove-]

Another case of fans parroting announcers, Pete didn't call timeout because Schaino had his offense on the field. If the punt team is on, Pete calls it sooner. As it turns out, Schiano was never going to go for it, and our offense lost a couple of plays, but those couple of plays could have been for the Bucs too. If I was Pete, I would expect an 0-7 team to go for it too. Why give them too much extra time?

With the offensive momentum the Hawks had going, and the fact that they had stopped the Bucs on several drives in a row, playing for overtime was smart. What's the old axiom, play for overtime at home, play for the win on the road? Schiano was the one that flinched by not going for it on 4th down.

On 4th and 3 at midfield in a tie game? No way! You'd have to be a real riverboat gambler to go for it under those circumstances.

Besides, like I said, if it was their intent to go for it, don't you think they would have used one of their own timeouts? They had all 3. I'm sorry, but Pete's just not on top of stuff when it comes to game management. It's a weakness of his.

0-7. Already ran 3 trick plays. A desperate team. It took a few seconds to figure out what they were going to do.
Oh, and did you miss the part where they kept their offense on the field, kinda like a team that might go for it? In your zeal to criticize Pete for not guessing correctly, you are missing that he waited so he didn't have to guess. After a few ticks go by while the TB offense stands on the field doing nothing, it becomes clear TB has no intention of going for it. Then he calls timeout.

Pete is far from perfect near the end of games and halves. However, not every mistake you perceive is tied to some weakness on his part. It is more likely tied to your need to see mistakes by Pete.

No, I didn't miss that part. Did you miss the part where they had all 3 timeouts with 32 seconds to go? If they intended to go for it, wouldn't they have called a timeout?

Half the stadium, including my two buddies that were with me in attendance, were screaming for Pete to call a timeout. Either he or someone he's assigned to monitor situations like this should have sent the message to all to call a timeout the instant their player hit the ground in bounds and short of the first down. It was a clear oversight, and discussing it doesn't imply non support of Pete or what he's trying to accomplish.

Attack the post, not the poster. My "zeal" to talk about mistakes shouldn't be the issue.

Yeah I'm sure half the stadium was screaming for a timeout. I wondered why he didn't myself. But 100% of those calling for a timeout including myself neither have the football knowledge nor experience to understand the situation in full to make a quick decision. Like another poster said, Schiano had offense on the field, if they don't convert, there's not much time left for Seattle to score. But they never intended to run a play-except to try to draw offsides. It didn't work. If I remember correctly, they ate a penalty and moved back 5 yards and thats when PC called timeout. I think it was the right move once again.

 

[RiverDog]

No, I didn't miss that part. Did you miss the part where they had all 3 timeouts with 32 seconds to go? If they intended to go for it, wouldn't they have called a timeout?

Because if TB doesn't convert, now the Seahawks have a chance to drive 20-30 yards in that amount of time still left on the clock and then the odds are very in our chance to win the game. At first I was confused too, but then I thought about it and it makes sense especially when they still had their O on the field and not the punt team.

Schiano liked his chances better with a fresh start in OT rather than a do or die attempt in the 4th quarter.

If Schiano liked his chances in regulation and was seriously entertaining the thought of going for it, then he would have been the one asking for an immediate timeout. At midfield, a FG was out of the question, so he would have had to conserve time on the clock to get off as many plays as he could in order to get to the 35 or so for a decent attempt.

If your argument is that Pete was waiting to see if Tampa Bay was going to go for it or not, then what you are saying is that by keeping his offense on the field, Schiano snookered us into allowing the clock to run.

 

[dontbelikethat]

If Schiano liked his chances in regulation and was seriously entertaining the thought of going for it, then he would have been the one asking for an immediate timeout. At midfield, a FG was out of the question, so he would have had to conserve time on the clock to get off as many plays as he could in order to get to the 35 or so for a decent attempt.

Not necessarily, you also have to consider what happens if they don't convert. Yes he has to consider time to go down the field and all, but that is only considering if he does convert. If he doesn't convert, he basically just lost the game since we have 50 seconds along with 3 TO's to go 20 yards, kick it and win, which I'm sure we could've.

If your argument is that Pete was waiting to see if Tampa Bay was going to go for it or not, then what you are saying is that by keeping his offense on the field, Schiano snookered us into allowing the clock to run.

You can look at it like that and I understand the argument, but if you're wrong and they convert, you just helped them out big time. Yes, you may hinder our offense chances by not calling a TO, but the more important aspect at the time imo, was actually stopping their offense first. The more important thing at the time wasn't, "can our offense drive and win the game?", it was, "can the defense hold their offense?". We gotta worry about stopping them first and making sure their offense doesn't beat us rather than jumping to the conclusion that we'll definitely get the ball back and letting our offense beat them, if you know what I'm trying to say.

EDIT: I guess a more understandable way to say it is, we have to worry about not losing the game before we can actually worry about winning it and if we would've called TO, the chances of us losing increases.

 

[Scottemojo]

Another case of fans parroting announcers, Pete didn't call timeout because Schaino had his offense on the field. If the punt team is on, Pete calls it sooner. As it turns out, Schiano was never going to go for it, and our offense lost a couple of plays, but those couple of plays could have been for the Bucs too. If I was Pete, I would expect an 0-7 team to go for it too. Why give them too much extra time?

With the offensive momentum the Hawks had going, and the fact that they had stopped the Bucs on several drives in a row, playing for overtime was smart. What's the old axiom, play for overtime at home, play for the win on the road? Schiano was the one that flinched by not going for it on 4th down.

On 4th and 3 at midfield in a tie game? No way! You'd have to be a real riverboat gambler to go for it under those circumstances.

Besides, like I said, if it was their intent to go for it, don't you think they would have used one of their own timeouts? They had all 3. I'm sorry, but Pete's just not on top of stuff when it comes to game management. It's a weakness of his.

0-7. Already ran 3 trick plays. A desperate team. It took a few seconds to figure out what they were going to do.
Oh, and did you miss the part where they kept their offense on the field, kinda like a team that might go for it? In your zeal to criticize Pete for not guessing correctly, you are missing that he waited so he didn't have to guess. After a few ticks go by while the TB offense stands on the field doing nothing, it becomes clear TB has no intention of going for it. Then he calls timeout.

Pete is far from perfect near the end of games and halves. However, not every mistake you perceive is tied to some weakness on his part. It is more likely tied to your need to see mistakes by Pete.

No, I didn't miss that part. Did you miss the part where they had all 3 timeouts with 32 seconds to go? If they intended to go for it, wouldn't they have called a timeout?

Half the stadium, including my two buddies that were with me in attendance, were screaming for Pete to call a timeout. Either he or someone he's assigned to monitor situations like this should have sent the message to all to call a timeout the instant their player hit the ground in bounds and short of the first down. It was a clear oversight, and discussing it doesn't imply non support of Pete or what he's trying to accomplish.

Attack the post, not the poster. My "zeal" to talk about mistakes shouldn't be the issue.

Well, last week you linked his butt slapping to his supposed poor clock management, So I feel pretty solid saying you have a zeal to hang this issue on Pete. You think he is too emotional to manage the clock, I think he is getting a read on the opposite sideline and feeling the game situation.

I also think you are making a big damn deal out of 7 seconds. If he had called TO with 32, and still punted, Seattle is likely to get the ball inside their 20 with about 20 seconds on the clock and still play for overtime. But like I said, these 7 seconds fit your agenda of Pete being all Emo.

 

[ceej22]

Over analyzing this here. Pete did the right thing this time. Believe me I'm the first to yell at the TV when he just lets the clock run. But in this situation the game was tied and TB needed a 4th down conversion to even entertain scoring. Once it became apparent TB was not going to run an offensive play then yes call a timeout and hope for a good punt return. But don't call it immediately. Hell even if he didn't call a timeout no big deal as TB was clearly going to let it run down and go to overtime. Matter of fact that would have been even safer as you don't risk a muffed punt and TB recovery. You all would be on here pissed off if he had and then TB got a conversion and had enough time/timeouts to get a game winning field goal. I can just imagine if Tate had muffed the punt and we would all wonder why PC didn't let the clock run out and take it to overtime.

Oh and for the record I don't give a damn about what fans at the game were yelling late in the 4th quarter. I go to plenty of games and know the level of drunk at that time is pretty high. Not to mention none of us get paid millions to study the game.

 

[-The Glove-]

Boy you find a topic and just run with it don't you. First PH and now this.

 

[BlueTalons]

We're talking about games we WON here...I'm more pissed at Holmgren for his clock management of the end of the first half of XL...

 

[RiverDog]

We're talking about games we WON here...I'm more pissed at Holmgren for his clock management of the end of the first half of XL...

I was, too. Part of the reason I'm complaining is due to seeing missed opportunities under Holmgren, and none was more apparent than his brain fart at the end of the first half of XL. Holmgren quite frequently got distracted and lost track of the game clock or the situation. I claim it was due to his insistence on calling the offensive plays, but that's another subject. Seven seconds or seven minutes, it's a missed opportunity and bad game management, and it's deserving of critique. That doesn't mean I didn't like Holmgren or Carroll. I'm simply exercising my right as a 12th man couch potato Monday morning quarterback that yearns for a perfect world.

The comment I made that "half the stadium was calling for a timeout" was a figure of speech, and intended to convey the fact that a lot of people saw what I saw. I do not advise coaches to listen to us fans in a game time situation, although many do.