Why do you think Bevell put the training wheels back on RW?

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White Devil":1jui8mde said:
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peachesenregalia":1jui8mde said:
Andy Reid was a calm, cool, collected coach. How many rings does he have as a HC? Wade Phillips, another calm, cool collected HC. How many playoff wins?

Let's cut to the chase. Are you saying Reid and Phillips would have gone for it on 4th down, too? You can't compare other coaches careers to one measly little call. I don't know if there's another coach in this league that wouldn't have grasped the opportunity to making it a one possession game in the 1st quarter.


Fieldgoal would have been at the end of the half, we were down 20-0.

How exactly does a field goal make it a one possession game?

Shit, I thought it was when we were down 10-0. My bad. Still though... too much time left in the game.

Wait... or were we down 13-0? Doesn't even matter, really. My point still stands. It's not until the end of the game when you realize how much is on the line within a kicker's legs.
 

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We score one or two FGs in the first half and there is no way that ATL plays as soft as they did after going up 27-7.. way too many variables to introduce as far as our playcalling and their play calling if you have that extra FG or two on the board in the 2nd half.

Instead of it being 27-21 on that last drive and it was 27-24.. do we throw as much or do we stick to the ground game to ensure we get the FG to tie it? Never know and it pretty useless IMO to be overly concerned about the first half failures...
 

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For the most part, I like the way the game was called. Every time a call doesn't work out in our favor that call gets bashed. That being said, I hated not kicking a FG down 13-0. But, the 4th down play was not executed properly and MRob was stopped for no gain. ATL stopped our run game, period. We didn't execute as well as they did when they ran the ball, period. Pete is an aggressive, emotional coach. Right now, I wouldn't trade him for anyone. He's perfect for this team. I can only hope he learned from his mistakes, which were few but costly. We got bit.

Blame for this loss can be found with every unit on this team: offense, defense, ST, coaching...all of it. Our franchise QB need not be spared, either.

I think Russell could have made some better decisions in the game both on passing plays and in the read-option. It looked to me like at least a couple of times Lynch was stuffed immediately while Wilson looked to have room outside and didn't keep it. Not sure if he kept it once the whole game? I also noted during the game that Wilson hesitated with his reads. Are our receivers THAT inept at getting open? He had so much time to pass- and at least a few times never made the throw. It was fantastic watching him force his will onto that ATL team, and carry us in the 2nd half. Unfortunately, he, too made a few mistakes in the form of poor throws on 3rd down, hesitating with reads, not keeping the ball at all on the option, and getting sacked to end the first half.
 

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Crizilla":1i5tejx9 said:
peachesenregalia":1i5tejx9 said:
Crizilla":1i5tejx9 said:
If the question is who would you rather replace? Yes I take PC. Someone more calm, cool, and collected that doesn't let his emotions muddle up smart decision making. The Russell Wilson of coaching. Bottom line is not one person was the sole reason why the Seahawks lost. But Pete played with fire in this game too much. In the NFL, you cannot get away with that as much as you can in the College game. That's just a proven fact.

You're entitled to your opinion. Even when that opinion is wrong. Andy Reid was a calm, cool, collected coach. How many rings does he have as a HC? Wade Phillips, another calm, cool collected HC. How many playoff wins?

Pete is right or this team and this group of players. Since you disagree, feel free to not celebrate when we win the SB next season.

Even if PC wins the next 3 super bowls as our head coach, I'd still believe he made mistakes during that playoff game during the 2012 season against the Falcons. You disagree and that's fine. I won't tell you your opinion is wrong, nor will I tell you to not celebrate if the Seahawks win it all.

Yes, Pete made mistakes yesterday. However you don't get rid of a coach based on mistakes made in one playoff game. He (along with Schneider) have turned this organization around in a big way. You can see the difference in how they play compared to three years ago right? I can understand you not wanting to replace either Pete or Bevell. But saying you'd rather replace Pete and keep Bevell as the offensive coordinator if you had to choose one or the other is ludicrous.
 

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peachesenregalia":21rdo09j said:
Crizilla":21rdo09j said:
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Andy Reid was a calm, cool, collected coach. How many rings does he have as a HC? Wade Phillips, another calm, cool collected HC. How many playoff wins?

Let's cut to the chase. Are you saying Reid and Phillips would have gone for it on 4th down, too? You can't compare other coaches careers to one measly little call. I don't know if there's another coach in this league that wouldn't have grasped the opportunity to making it a one possession game in the 1st quarter.

It doesn't matter what they would have done. Pete went for it and the Falcons stopped it. It didn't lose us the game. If you're going to point to one or two plays that you believe cost your team the game, then your team didn't play well enough to win it. You said we need a cool, calm and collected HC. I'm telling you those guys aren't the ones who win championships with a young team like this.

I agree, it didn't lose us the game. It limited opportunities to put points on the board, though. Mmm. Points. You win with enough of those things.
 

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LoneHawkFan":1jqe14kv said:
For the most part, I like the way the game was called. Every time a call doesn't work out in our favor that call gets bashed. That being said, I hated not kicking a FG down 13-0. But, the 4th down play was not executed properly and MRob was stopped for no gain. ATL stopped our run game, period. We didn't execute as well as they did when they ran the ball, period. Pete is an aggressive, emotional coach. Right now, I wouldn't trade him for anyone. He's perfect for this team. I can only hope he learned from his mistakes, which were few but costly. We got bit.

Blame for this loss can be found with every unit on this team: offense, defense, ST, coaching...all of it. Our franchise QB need not be spared, either.

I think Russell could have made some better decisions in the game both on passing plays and in the read-option. It looked to me like at least a couple of times Lynch was stuffed immediately while Wilson looked to have room outside and didn't keep it. Not sure if he kept it once the whole game? I also noted during the game that Wilson hesitated with his reads. Are our receivers THAT inept at getting open? He had so much time to pass- and at least a few times never made the throw. It was fantastic watching him force his will onto that ATL team, and carry us in the 2nd half. Unfortunately, he, too made a few mistakes in the form of poor throws on 3rd down, hesitating with reads, not keeping the ball at all on the option, and getting sacked to end the first half.

Great post until you laid any blame on Wilson. The sack was inevitable, the minute he hit his back foot on his drop, he was sacked, if he throws it away, it's intentional grounding. Hesitating on reads? Not keeping the ball? You're stretching. A lot. He was the ONLY reason we came back from that hole and we took the LEAD!!! None if this is on. Russell Wilson. None of it.
 

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Yea the score was actually 13-0 with the failed 4th down play, which as posted above was blown up on a misread by the line.

The sack at the end of the half wasn't Wilson's fault, the play was blown up from the get-go. In fact I would lay most of the blame on the WR's and rest of the offense for not hustling back to the line of scrimmage to at least get a play off. They couldn't spike it on 4th down of course. But the Rookie was the only one immediately up and trying to get everyone to the line to get a play off.

There were mistakes. It was a tough game against the #1 seed, on the road. I think some of the fans are victims of the media hype going into the game. We had a bunch of people picking the Seahawks on the ROAD, against the #1 seed and fans bought the hype.

The Seahawks are the 2nd youngest team in the league, we have draft picks, we have cap space, and absolutely zero cap issues. We have an incredible young QB, an O-line developing into one of the leagues best, with a powerful RB. The defense is coming off a great season, and is also, VERY young!

The future is bright my friends...we fell short this time, but I have a feeling this team will be back next season.
 

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My question is

Why didn't Russell ever keep the ball and run.

That would have alleviated a lot of pressure off of Lynch, who Atlanta ganged on yesterday.

I realize Russell scrambled, but I'm talking about off of the RZ.
 

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All three coaches (HC, OC, DC) made egregious mistakes that I sincerely hope they are aware of (although I doubt it will be because they read these threads). Conservative play-calling on Bevell's part (probably influended by PC?) in the first quarter, regression to earlier this season, even when it was glaringly obvious that the Falcon's were over-committing to stop the run on the very first play by stacking the box. Pete's game-time decisions were bad (more field goals!). Bradley's soft zone (as labeled by Browner) has failed miserably three times now in the opponents' last series (Atlanta, Chicago & Miami).

All that said, they do enough things so right that I think keeping all three of them is the way to go. They will hopefully learn from their mistakes, and continuity is good, especially continuity with OC/HC.

Nothing wrong with pointing out mistakes, we all still love the Hawks! :)
 

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OMG! Pete Carroll trusted the #2 rushing offense to get 1 yard!? What a moron! Get the pitchforks and torches! Hire Jon Gruden ASAP!
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...moron(ic post).
 

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I think Bevell is excellent at play design, but lacking in situational play calling. I say, keep Bevell- let him design plays...then let Wilson call half the plays like Manning.
 

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Also, let's be realistic here... not all of the lack of points in the first half were his fault...
#1- He didn't cause Lynch to Fumble
#2- On the first or 2nd possession, he didn't cause Wilson to overthrow rice on 3rd down
#3- On 3rd/4th down, he wasn' the one that got blew up at RG (that was Sweezy)
#4- On 3rd down, he wasn't the one that got blew up allowing wilson to get sacked (that was sweezy).

Wilson REALLY likes Bevell, and that's enough for me...I just wish they'd let him call a few more plays for himself.
 

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Crizilla":2ah45tio said:
I'd rather take a shot with a different HC than a new OC. Pete didn't call yesterday's game very well. You just don't go for it on 4th and 1 during a road playoff game when your team is dying for momentum. Take the 3 points. They are so precious.

this is called "having confidence in your team and your elite running back to get the job done on crucial 4 and 1". the gamble didn't pay off.

hindsight is 20-20. I bet in any other game or in training BeastMode is punching right through that yard 99 times out of 100.

blaming OC for that loss is absolutely rediculous.

the Defense was 100% to blame in being unable to rush the passer, unable to stop otherwise a very pedestrian Atlanta running game and constantly missing Gonzalez on the 3rd downs.
 

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Bipolar":18em9pqe said:
Crizilla":18em9pqe said:
I'd rather take a shot with a different HC than a new OC. Pete didn't call yesterday's game very well. You just don't go for it on 4th and 1 during a road playoff game when your team is dying for momentum. Take the 3 points. They are so precious.

this is called "having confidence in your team and your elite running back to get the job done on crucial 4 and 1". the gamble didn't pay off.

hindsight is 20-20. I bet in any other game or in training BeastMode is punching right through that yard 99 times out of 100.

blaming OC for that loss is absolutely rediculous.


the Defense was 100% to blame in being unable to rush the passer, unable to stop otherwise a very pedestrian Atlanta running game and constantly missing Gonzalez on the 3rd downs.

so you're saying its all about having confidence in the run game. Well I say it was having no confidence in your defense. Pete acted like it was a lock for Atlanta to score freakin' 50 points or something.
 

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lukerguy":duysxr3e said:
I think Bevell is excellent at play design, but lacking in situational play calling. I say, keep Bevell- let him design plays...then let Wilson call half the plays like Manning.

+1, and I would say situational is anytime after the game has started. (Once Wilson is ready to call his own plays at least.)
 

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Bipolar":10151g3q said:
Crizilla":10151g3q said:
I'd rather take a shot with a different HC than a new OC. Pete didn't call yesterday's game very well. You just don't go for it on 4th and 1 during a road playoff game when your team is dying for momentum. Take the 3 points. They are so precious.

this is called "having confidence in your team and your elite running back to get the job done on crucial 4 and 1". the gamble didn't pay off.

hindsight is 20-20. I bet in any other game or in training BeastMode is punching right through that yard 99 times out of 100.

blaming OC for that loss is absolutely rediculous.

the Defense was 100% to blame in being unable to rush the passer, unable to stop otherwise a very pedestrian Atlanta running game and constantly missing Gonzalez on the 3rd downs.

They didn't give the ball to Lynch. He was on the sidelines for 3rd and 1, and they gave the ball to Robinson on 4th and 1. Kinda hard for our elite RB to get the job done when he isn't given the ball. I'm pretty sure the OC called both of those plays.
 

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We already have an unsubstantiated Bevell hate thread - can we merge? Or better yet can we merge all of our scapegoat threads into one so that the rampant speculative arguments can be consolidated in one place?
 
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