What the heck is a run fit?

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Pete said we gave up 4 hundy in two games due to bad run fits. I thought maybe our linebackers had diarrhea, but on second thought I think Pete was just avoiding naming names.

I may not know what exactly a run fit is, but I do know KJ and Wagner got caught between gaps quite a bit, and I think they were peeking because Irvin and Avril were being targeted, TB ran right at them.
 

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I was wondering how long it would take for someone to target IRvin. He's great in space and moving side to side, so it's time to challenge him head on and see if he can fill gaps and shed blocks.

Pete also said they were going to rotate Malcom Smith in more to make the linebacker rotation more solid. Maybe this means Irvin is experiencing growing pains.
 

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Scottemojo":ecnw512h said:
Pete said we gave up 4 hundy in two games due to bad run fits. I thought maybe our linebackers had diarrhea, but on second thought I think Pete was just avoiding naming names.

I may not know what exactly a run fit is, but I do know KJ and Wagner got caught between gaps quite a bit, and I think they were peeking because Irvin and Avril were being targeted, TB ran right at them.

It's another way of saying the defense lacked gap discipline, i.e. out of position.
 

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Hawks46":28xbkvo6 said:
I was wondering how long it would take for someone to target IRvin. He's great in space and moving side to side, so it's time to challenge him head on and see if he can fill gaps and shed blocks.

Pete also said they were going to rotate Malcom Smith in more to make the linebacker rotation more solid. Maybe this means Irvin is experiencing growing pains.

I see it more as an indictment of Wagner or Wright.
 

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McGruff":s4l2ypte said:
Hawks46":s4l2ypte said:
I was wondering how long it would take for someone to target IRvin. He's great in space and moving side to side, so it's time to challenge him head on and see if he can fill gaps and shed blocks.

Pete also said they were going to rotate Malcom Smith in more to make the linebacker rotation more solid. Maybe this means Irvin is experiencing growing pains.

I see it more as an indictment of Wagner or Wright.

Agreed. Those two guys were way out of position most of the game.

More Smith = better run defense imo
 

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All I know is that this run defense has struggled since BWags returned (from ankle sprain) to his role as MLB. We had no such issues with KJ at MLB.
 

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Wagner,
linebackers can opt to take on blocks and allow the next man to get the tackle on the ball carrier, or try and be a hero and get the tackle themselves, if an RB cuts back and that lineback is not there taking on the blocker, there is no one back there to stop the rb (eg bad gap discipline). its super obvious on a kick return when someone runs through a giant whole because of a good shimmy move but people don't notice it on regular run plays when your getting gashed for 5 - 9 yards a carry.
 

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Pete said Irvin was doing a good job. I don't think Wagz is 100%, I noticed him aligned/offset from the G/T in position to fill the gap in which the back eventually ran thru but instead he followed the flow of the DL in the other direction and was caught up in the wash, and the RB went right thru the gap he was in position to fill. Also, I noticed him chasing a play to the outside and he did not show his typical speed or urgency to get to and make the stop, so probably not fully 100%
 

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SDHawk":1q4h4a8s said:
All I know is that this run defense has struggled since BWags returned (from ankle sprain) to his role as MLB. We had no such issues with KJ at MLB.

Or is it since Wirght returned to his OLB spot. We didn't have these issues with Smith at OLB.
 

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Scottemojo":2xrimm8a said:
Pete said we gave up 4 hundy in two games due to bad run fits. I thought maybe our linebackers had diarrhea, but on second thought I think Pete was just avoiding naming names.

I may not know what exactly a run fit is, but I do know KJ and Wagner got caught between gaps quite a bit, and I think they were peeking because Irvin and Avril were being targeted, TB ran right at them.

I believe it is another way of saying that people had a specific gap and didn't execute.

Coaching philosophy. Like power vs zone blocking, there is read and react vs fill gap (or run fits), where the player knows where he is going before the snap. I'm not sure if he means that we're losing our gaps, or not knowing the right ones to go to.
 

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Run fit is how you maintain gap integrity. Basically how the defense splits up gap & personnel responsibility. A good run fit cuts off all areas of escape for the running back.
 

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SDHawk":2h7dmhv4 said:
All I know is that this run defense has struggled since BWags returned (from ankle sprain) to his role as MLB. We had no such issues with KJ at MLB.

If KJ had been doing fine, then Pete Carroll of all people would have felt no burning desire to rush Wagner back into the lineup unless he was 100%. You might have noticed that he's rather slow returning injured players to the field.

Either KJ was not doing fine, or Wagner is 100% and just had a couple bad games. The latter is more likely.
 

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Definition: Bad Run Fit = Me jumping up and down screaming at my TV just freaking tackle the SOB every time the opposing team runs the ball.
 

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Generally, a bad run fit can occur for two reasons - they missed the gap or their technique was poor.

As you probably are aware, our defense for the most part (aside from Big Red and the backside 3 Tech, sometimes) will have a single gap to be responsible for during a run play. A gap is exactly how it sounds - the space between two men e.g. between center and guard. Now in junior football, run fits are easy, those gaps never move and guys block straight up.

In the NFL however, with much more pulling and trapping, these gaps can get shuffled around. Now even with all the movement, the number of gaps stays constant (at the first level anyway, once a runner gets to the second level all bets are off). Because the number of gaps stays constant, players should still only be responsible for one but it is much more confusing.

Furthermore, the technique of run fitting can be poor. Generally, in a base defense (not a run blitz) you want all the men to hit the line at the same level because differences in penetration can be exploited by trapping lineman, FBs and are ultimately lanes for RBs. It can create a false second level - and more gaps. For the defensive lineman, this means that they penetrated too far up field (usually when they are about to get trapped) and for linebackers it usually means they cheated by not hitting a player in the gap, allowing him to get to the second level and picking a side.

What has been happening to our young buck LB corps from what I can see is that backside guys are flowing toward the ball carrier, maybe even following trapping blockers, but not filling their backside gap. This can cause defensive lineman to look really bad when it may not be their fault as they are going from playing their own gap to compensating for the LBs mistake by battling across an offensive lineman who already have them hooked. Moreover, frontside guys could be not filling that new gap created by trapping or pulling backside linemen.

Anyway, I haven't studied the defense that closely but those are the general concepts I would use to dissect the running defense in relation to run fits. Ultimately, I think it is a problem with our linebackers rather than our lineman.
 

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GoHawks":25kah0f2 said:
Pete said Irvin was doing a good job. I don't think Wagz is 100%, I noticed him aligned/offset from the G/T in position to fill the gap in which the back eventually ran thru but instead he followed the flow of the DL in the other direction and was caught up in the wash, and the RB went right thru the gap he was in position to fill. Also, I noticed him chasing a play to the outside and he did not show his typical speed or urgency to get to and make the stop, so probably not fully 100%

Agree.
 

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Scottemojo":21o3nvqb said:
Pete said we gave up 4 hundy in two games due to bad run fits. I thought maybe our linebackers had diarrhea, but on second thought I think Pete was just avoiding naming names.

I may not know what exactly a run fit is, but I do know KJ and Wagner got caught between gaps quite a bit, and I think they were peeking because Irvin and Avril were being targeted, TB ran right at them.
It sounds to me like the makeup of his defensive packages are a bad fit for stopping the run. Like when he had 4 DE's in there for pass rushing and Irvin as LB. That might get some pressure on the QB, but it's a bad fit when stopping the run. In other words, they have to work on balancing out their personnel when they build their defensive packages.
 
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Hmmmm. I still think it was a vague answer so he would not have to point fingers at any specific players.
 

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