Let's Try This Again. Why Can't The Seahawks Make a Playoff Run?

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But first some quick thoughts on the Giants game.

The great Shane Waldron had another fantastic plan and is a guy I've never wavered on throughout his short tenure here when many others questioned his capability. However, I have some bad news in that he will be getting a lot of HCing offers upcoming, and I don't want to lose him. He is the best offensive coach the Seahawks have had since Mike Holmgren. He added a new wrinkle this week with Homer in the backfield while orbit motioning Dallas.

The Seahawks stayed aggressive throughout on offense, Geno threw it 25 times in the first half in a low scoring first half. This is huge. (Process vs. Results) The Giants were loading up to stop the run, and the Seahawks saw a lot of loaded boxes, but Seattle did the right thing taking what the defense gave them, which in this case called for throwing it more, as the Giants continued to dare them to do so. No reversion to Pete Ball was ever hinted at, and they had every excuse to revert to it given the Giants are a very one dimensional offense that struggled to move the ball throughout the game.

If Geno keeps doing what he's doing he's looking at a substantial payday, and the Seahawks should totally pay it. Having a career bust/backup come out of nowhere to play like a top 5 QB is like winning the lottery. The last guy to do something like this is Rich Gannon, and if you're even more bullish Kurt Warner. This is not normal, so don't go thinking the Seahawks can dump Geno and just find another one, easy-peasy. That is not reality. Geno is what is making this work. If he were playing at average starter level, the Seahawks would have one of the worst records in the NFC.

Re-sign Geno, find a way to keep Waldron by any means necessary, and spend all of those picks making the team stronger in the trenches on both offense and defense. It's another overhyped QB draft class, I haven't done my deep dive on it yet, as I don't really look at college prospects until DEC at the absolute earliest, usually starting in JAN. But from a glance, I'm not impressed with this upcoming QB class at all.

Shifting gears to the defense, they are running the old defense. I saw many times Nwosu at Leo with a 1T, 3T, 5T. Everyone 1-gapping, while sprinkling in some bear fronts at times. On the backend it was softzone Cover 3 and Cover 2. I opined after the ATL game to revert back to the old defense, due to it fitting their personnel better. They finally shifted after being embarrassed by the Saints, and the defense went from #32 in DVOA to #1 in DVOA in the last 3 games.

This is where Pete gets credit. He shelved the Hurtt defense, and went back to what had worked in the past. Didn't expect this much of a boost, but having the #32 defense through 5 games, I couldn't imagine it being worse and is why I was pushing for them to revert back about a month ago. They will run into trouble down the road with this defense due to how it can be exploited underneath, with receiving backs and TEs, but this is a substantial improvement over worst in the league the first 5 games and is sustainable because it fits their personnel much better.

The Giants this year are a classic example of results based vs. process based. They were 6-1 (results), however looking at their PFF and the film they were more like a 2-5 (process) team. Daboll and Wink have done an amazing job coaching up a team that has a lot of holes, and they've had some lucky breaks to boot. Lockett having the worst game of his life is the only reason the game was somewhat close.

A Quality Control Note: They need to ease up on the Ken Walker carries, no need to Rawls or Carson him. Not every back is Lynch and can be a 20-25 carry back week after week. They need to mix in Dallas more especially in short yardage and keep Walker fresh. 18 carries this week, just need to give a few of those to Dallas or Homer, and I think that is the sweet spot for him. 15 carries a game, keep him away from short yardarge, where he tends to dance, lose yards, take big hits, and has surrendered a safety.

So last week I made a thread, you probably saw it, "We Were All Wrong."

And I got major pushback for having a plausible expectation that the Seahawks should be able to make the NFCCG given the landscape of the conference. I see no reason not to stick with that. This is a weird year in the NFC, and the teams that were supposed to be contenders have fallen off a cliff. TB, GB, LAR, AZ, and even SF are not what they should be. If you notice 3 of those teams are in the Seahawks division ripe for the pluckin'. Pete will probably squander it with a bonehead decision or bad gameplan in the playoffs, but the expectation should be making the NFCCG given these unique circumstances.

They clearly have had the best draft class in 10 years via JS. The "young" excuse was always just that, an excuse. The vets on defense were the ones that needed to pick it up, and was the biggest reason why they were losing games earlier in the year, and since they've reverted back to the old defense they have done just that.

So let's try this again, why can't the Seahawks make a playoff run to the NFCCG?
 

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You'll pose the question again, and we'll try to answer again, at least from the majority viewpoint.

This team certainly has a chance to get into the playoffs and make some noise, but setting the bare expectation of a transitional year at "NFCCG or bust" is cocksure and foolhardy. This is a league of parity and that expectation should be saved for teams who sell out to "win now."

If they don't make the NFCCG but continue playing promising ball, I absolutely cannot label that as a failure of a year, as you were implying in that previous post.

Furthermore, few can take such a brash expectation seriously from a guy who famously hates Pete Carroll and bashed anyone predicting over 5 wins for the team, which you stated was their ceiling. It not only erodes your authority in calling such shots, but it screams "ulterior motive" so that you can come back and try to label the season a failure when they don't meet your bare expectation, which is more of a stretch goal than anything.

I'll say it again: This is a league of parity. A lot of things have to go right for even the best teams to achieve such goals.
 
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Also, taking credit away from the franchises head executive on the football operations side and attributing all draft success to JS, despite literally no evidence that he had any more active of a role than he has for a decade running, is disingenuous and speaks to an obvious agenda.
 

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So let's try this again, why can't the Seahawks make a playoff run to the NFCCG?
They can... but you trying to turn it into a 'Pete sucks if we don't get to the Conference Championship!' is hyperbolic nonsense.

You can't enter into any of these discussions in good faith. Everything you say revolves around a tired, stale vendetta you have against Carroll.
 

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But first some quick thoughts on the Giants game.

The great Shane Waldron had another fantastic plan and is a guy I've never wavered on throughout his short tenure here when many others questioned his capability. However, I have some bad news in that he will be getting a lot of HCing offers upcoming, and I don't want to lose him. He is the best offensive coach the Seahawks have had since Mike Holmgren. He added a new wrinkle this week with Homer in the backfield while orbit motioning Dallas.

The Seahawks stayed aggressive throughout on offense, Geno threw it 25 times in the first half in a low scoring first half. This is huge. (Process vs. Results) The Giants were loading up to stop the run, and the Seahawks saw a lot of loaded boxes, but Seattle did the right thing taking what the defense gave them, which in this case called for throwing it more, as the Giants continued to dare them to do so. No reversion to Pete Ball was ever hinted at, and they had every excuse to revert to it given the Giants are a very one dimensional offense that struggled to move the ball throughout the game.

If Geno keeps doing what he's doing he's looking at a substantial payday, and the Seahawks should totally pay it. Having a career bust/backup come out of nowhere to play like a top 5 QB is like winning the lottery. The last guy to do something like this is Rich Gannon, and if you're even more bullish Kurt Warner. This is not normal, so don't go thinking the Seahawks can dump Geno and just find another one, easy-peasy. That is not reality. Geno is what is making this work. If he were playing at average starter level, the Seahawks would have one of the worst records in the NFC.

Re-sign Geno, find a way to keep Waldron by any means necessary, and spend all of those picks making the team stronger in the trenches on both offense and defense. It's another overhyped QB draft class, I haven't done my deep dive on it yet, as I don't really look at college prospects until DEC at the absolute earliest, usually starting in JAN. But from a glance, I'm not impressed with this upcoming QB class at all.

Shifting gears to the defense, they are running the old defense. I saw many times Nwosu at Leo with a 1T, 3T, 5T. Everyone 1-gapping, while sprinkling in some bear fronts at times. On the backend it was softzone Cover 3 and Cover 2. I opined after the ATL game to revert back to the old defense, due to it fitting their personnel better. They finally shifted after being embarrassed by the Saints, and the defense went from #32 in DVOA to #1 in DVOA in the last 3 games.

This is where Pete gets credit. He shelved the Hurtt defense, and went back to what had worked in the past. Didn't expect this much of a boost, but having the #32 defense through 5 games, I couldn't imagine it being worse and is why I was pushing for them to revert back about a month ago. They will run into trouble down the road with this defense due to how it can be exploited underneath, with receiving backs and TEs, but this is a substantial improvement over worst in the league the first 5 games and is sustainable because it fits their personnel much better.

The Giants this year are a classic example of results based vs. process based. They were 6-1 (results), however looking at their PFF and the film they were more like a 2-5 (process) team. Daboll and Wink have done an amazing job coaching up a team that has a lot of holes, and they've had some lucky breaks to boot. Lockett having the worst game of his life is the only reason the game was somewhat close.

A Quality Control Note: They need to ease up on the Ken Walker carries, no need to Rawls or Carson him. Not every back is Lynch and can be a 20-25 carry back week after week. They need to mix in Dallas more especially in short yardage and keep Walker fresh. 18 carries this week, just need to give a few of those to Dallas or Homer, and I think that is the sweet spot for him. 15 carries a game, keep him away from short yardarge, where he tends to dance, lose yards, take big hits, and has surrendered a safety.

So last week I made a thread, you probably saw it, "We Were All Wrong."

And I got major pushback for having a plausible expectation that the Seahawks should be able to make the NFCCG given the landscape of the conference. I see no reason not to stick with that. This is a weird year in the NFC, and the teams that were supposed to be contenders have fallen off a cliff. TB, GB, LAR, AZ, and even SF are not what they should be. If you notice 3 of those teams are in the Seahawks division ripe for the pluckin'. Pete will probably squander it with a bonehead decision or bad gameplan in the playoffs, but the expectation should be making the NFCCG given these unique circumstances.

They clearly have had the best draft class in 10 years via JS. The "young" excuse was always just that, an excuse. The vets on defense were the ones that needed to pick it up, and was the biggest reason why they were losing games earlier in the year, and since they've reverted back to the old defense they have done just that.

So let's try this again, why can't the Seahawks make a playoff run to the NFCCG?
LMAO!
 

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What a bunch of passive aggressive tripe.

Yes, if the team continues, Waldron will be getting HC offers. That is what happens when a team is successful.

Yes, Geno will get a payday next season. PC has said that he had a lot of confidence in him and said Geno's level of play does not surprise him. Geno will be the Seahawks starting QB as long as he continues this level of play....and there is nothing to indicate he won't be able to continue this level of play for quite a long time. PC knew what he was able to do.

You always seem to want to give everybody credit for the good things that happen, but never PC....yet he IS the coach and dictates the direction that the team heads.

Your schtick is getting old.
 
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How are the Giants a "Results Based" team again? And somehow we were "Process Based"? I really think you are trying hard to sound like you understand systems and processes.

The process produced the results today. The primary reason to be on a team is to produce desired results. Processes are a systematic function to improve performance to gain desired results. This is a fundamental fact. To try and separate process and results as some type of opposing or lacking in correlation makes no sense whatsoever.
 

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What a bunch of passive aggressive tripe.

Yes, if the team continues, Waldron will be getting HC offers. That is what happens when a team is successful.

Yes, Geno will get a payday next season. PC has said that he had a lot of confidence in him and said Geno's level of play does not surprise him. Geno will be the Seahawks starting QB as long as he continues this level of play....and there is nothing to indicate he won't be able to continue this level of play for quite a long time. PC knew what he was able to do.

You always seem to want to give everybody credit for the good things that happen, but never PC....yet he IS the coach and dictates the direction that the team heads.

Your schtick is getting old.

His schtick has been old

Bordering on sad and pathetic now

Funny thing is this: had @Fade ended it by saying: Pete is coaching his butt off and this team may make a run this year! We'd all be in agreement

But we all know the motive behind this drivel so we just laugh
 

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I appreciate the time you put into the post fade but the dig at Pete was unnecessary. You're a great writer but the absolute hatred for Pete kinda ruins it. This is probably a 1 win team without him being the coach.
 

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The team is playing some cover 3 and cover 1 but they are able to disguise it a lot more because of the 3-4 personnel. Nwosu is playing the Leo position but Mafe/Irvin/Taylor plays the opposite end. We saw both sides drop back at times. It's a wrinkle that allows Hurtt to play around with the blitz. It's been effective. It's not the true 3/4 hybrid with 4-3 personnel. In that scheme, the nose tackle is in the 1i technique and not the 0T. We also see the opposite DE in the 5T and the other DT in 3T. Now we are seeing a mixture of the fronts.

In the secondary, we are seeing more cover 6 that looks like cover 1 and cover 3 but it is really a disguise. The straw that is making that work is Ryan Neal. You can tell this is Karl Scott's and Sean Desai's baby. Again, they are mixing it up. They are still a zone-based team but they are changing it up.
 

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But first some quick thoughts on the Giants game.

The great Shane Waldron had another fantastic plan and is a guy I've never wavered on throughout his short tenure here when many others questioned his capability. However, I have some bad news in that he will be getting a lot of HCing offers upcoming, and I don't want to lose him. He is the best offensive coach the Seahawks have had since Mike Holmgren. He added a new wrinkle this week with Homer in the backfield while orbit motioning Dallas.

The Seahawks stayed aggressive throughout on offense, Geno threw it 25 times in the first half in a low scoring first half. This is huge. (Process vs. Results) The Giants were loading up to stop the run, and the Seahawks saw a lot of loaded boxes, but Seattle did the right thing taking what the defense gave them, which in this case called for throwing it more, as the Giants continued to dare them to do so. No reversion to Pete Ball was ever hinted at, and they had every excuse to revert to it given the Giants are a very one dimensional offense that struggled to move the ball throughout the game.

If Geno keeps doing what he's doing he's looking at a substantial payday, and the Seahawks should totally pay it. Having a career bust/backup come out of nowhere to play like a top 5 QB is like winning the lottery. The last guy to do something like this is Rich Gannon, and if you're even more bullish Kurt Warner. This is not normal, so don't go thinking the Seahawks can dump Geno and just find another one, easy-peasy. That is not reality. Geno is what is making this work. If he were playing at average starter level, the Seahawks would have one of the worst records in the NFC.

Re-sign Geno, find a way to keep Waldron by any means necessary, and spend all of those picks making the team stronger in the trenches on both offense and defense. It's another overhyped QB draft class, I haven't done my deep dive on it yet, as I don't really look at college prospects until DEC at the absolute earliest, usually starting in JAN. But from a glance, I'm not impressed with this upcoming QB class at all.

Shifting gears to the defense, they are running the old defense. I saw many times Nwosu at Leo with a 1T, 3T, 5T. Everyone 1-gapping, while sprinkling in some bear fronts at times. On the backend it was softzone Cover 3 and Cover 2. I opined after the ATL game to revert back to the old defense, due to it fitting their personnel better. They finally shifted after being embarrassed by the Saints, and the defense went from #32 in DVOA to #1 in DVOA in the last 3 games.

This is where Pete gets credit. He shelved the Hurtt defense, and went back to what had worked in the past. Didn't expect this much of a boost, but having the #32 defense through 5 games, I couldn't imagine it being worse and is why I was pushing for them to revert back about a month ago. They will run into trouble down the road with this defense due to how it can be exploited underneath, with receiving backs and TEs, but this is a substantial improvement over worst in the league the first 5 games and is sustainable because it fits their personnel much better.

The Giants this year are a classic example of results based vs. process based. They were 6-1 (results), however looking at their PFF and the film they were more like a 2-5 (process) team. Daboll and Wink have done an amazing job coaching up a team that has a lot of holes, and they've had some lucky breaks to boot. Lockett having the worst game of his life is the only reason the game was somewhat close.

A Quality Control Note: They need to ease up on the Ken Walker carries, no need to Rawls or Carson him. Not every back is Lynch and can be a 20-25 carry back week after week. They need to mix in Dallas more especially in short yardage and keep Walker fresh. 18 carries this week, just need to give a few of those to Dallas or Homer, and I think that is the sweet spot for him. 15 carries a game, keep him away from short yardarge, where he tends to dance, lose yards, take big hits, and has surrendered a safety.

So last week I made a thread, you probably saw it, "We Were All Wrong."

And I got major pushback for having a plausible expectation that the Seahawks should be able to make the NFCCG given the landscape of the conference. I see no reason not to stick with that. This is a weird year in the NFC, and the teams that were supposed to be contenders have fallen off a cliff. TB, GB, LAR, AZ, and even SF are not what they should be. If you notice 3 of those teams are in the Seahawks division ripe for the pluckin'. Pete will probably squander it with a bonehead decision or bad gameplan in the playoffs, but the expectation should be making the NFCCG given these unique circumstances.

They clearly have had the best draft class in 10 years via JS. The "young" excuse was always just that, an excuse. The vets on defense were the ones that needed to pick it up, and was the biggest reason why they were losing games earlier in the year, and since they've reverted back to the old defense they have done just that.

So let's try this again, why can't the Seahawks make a playoff run to the NFCCG?
 

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This is where Pete gets credit. He shelved the Hurtt defense, and went back to what had worked in the past. Didn't expect this much of a boost, but having the #32 defense through 5 games, I couldn't imagine it being worse and is why I was pushing for them to revert back about a month ago. They will run into trouble down the road with this defense due to how it can be exploited underneath, with receiving backs and TEs, but this is a substantial improvement over worst in the league the first 5 games and is sustainable because it fits their personnel much better.
We definitely saw a little bit of that today with how many 3rd and longs they gave up, I will say this secondary to me seems MUCH better than what they've trotted out in the past, even with Jamal Adams out there-Tariq already looks like he's making QBs very nervous to throw his way, while Mike Jackson is playing great as well, Chenna showed he's got some speed in coverage when he stayed with Barkley out of the backfield.
 

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But first some quick thoughts on the Giants game.

The great Shane Waldron had another fantastic plan and is a guy I've never wavered on throughout his short tenure here when many others questioned his capability. However, I have some bad news in that he will be getting a lot of HCing offers upcoming, and I don't want to lose him. He is the best offensive coach the Seahawks have had since Mike Holmgren. He added a new wrinkle this week with Homer in the backfield while orbit motioning Dallas.

The Seahawks stayed aggressive throughout on offense, Geno threw it 25 times in the first half in a low scoring first half. This is huge. (Process vs. Results) The Giants were loading up to stop the run, and the Seahawks saw a lot of loaded boxes, but Seattle did the right thing taking what the defense gave them, which in this case called for throwing it more, as the Giants continued to dare them to do so. No reversion to Pete Ball was ever hinted at, and they had every excuse to revert to it given the Giants are a very one dimensional offense that struggled to move the ball throughout the game.

If Geno keeps doing what he's doing he's looking at a substantial payday, and the Seahawks should totally pay it. Having a career bust/backup come out of nowhere to play like a top 5 QB is like winning the lottery. The last guy to do something like this is Rich Gannon, and if you're even more bullish Kurt Warner. This is not normal, so don't go thinking the Seahawks can dump Geno and just find another one, easy-peasy. That is not reality. Geno is what is making this work. If he were playing at average starter level, the Seahawks would have one of the worst records in the NFC.

Re-sign Geno, find a way to keep Waldron by any means necessary, and spend all of those picks making the team stronger in the trenches on both offense and defense. It's another overhyped QB draft class, I haven't done my deep dive on it yet, as I don't really look at college prospects until DEC at the absolute earliest, usually starting in JAN. But from a glance, I'm not impressed with this upcoming QB class at all.

Shifting gears to the defense, they are running the old defense. I saw many times Nwosu at Leo with a 1T, 3T, 5T. Everyone 1-gapping, while sprinkling in some bear fronts at times. On the backend it was softzone Cover 3 and Cover 2. I opined after the ATL game to revert back to the old defense, due to it fitting their personnel better. They finally shifted after being embarrassed by the Saints, and the defense went from #32 in DVOA to #1 in DVOA in the last 3 games.

This is where Pete gets credit. He shelved the Hurtt defense, and went back to what had worked in the past. Didn't expect this much of a boost, but having the #32 defense through 5 games, I couldn't imagine it being worse and is why I was pushing for them to revert back about a month ago. They will run into trouble down the road with this defense due to how it can be exploited underneath, with receiving backs and TEs, but this is a substantial improvement over worst in the league the first 5 games and is sustainable because it fits their personnel much better.

The Giants this year are a classic example of results based vs. process based. They were 6-1 (results), however looking at their PFF and the film they were more like a 2-5 (process) team. Daboll and Wink have done an amazing job coaching up a team that has a lot of holes, and they've had some lucky breaks to boot. Lockett having the worst game of his life is the only reason the game was somewhat close.

A Quality Control Note: They need to ease up on the Ken Walker carries, no need to Rawls or Carson him. Not every back is Lynch and can be a 20-25 carry back week after week. They need to mix in Dallas more especially in short yardage and keep Walker fresh. 18 carries this week, just need to give a few of those to Dallas or Homer, and I think that is the sweet spot for him. 15 carries a game, keep him away from short yardarge, where he tends to dance, lose yards, take big hits, and has surrendered a safety.

So last week I made a thread, you probably saw it, "We Were All Wrong."

And I got major pushback for having a plausible expectation that the Seahawks should be able to make the NFCCG given the landscape of the conference. I see no reason not to stick with that. This is a weird year in the NFC, and the teams that were supposed to be contenders have fallen off a cliff. TB, GB, LAR, AZ, and even SF are not what they should be. If you notice 3 of those teams are in the Seahawks division ripe for the pluckin'. Pete will probably squander it with a bonehead decision or bad gameplan in the playoffs, but the expectation should be making the NFCCG given these unique circumstances.

They clearly have had the best draft class in 10 years via JS. The "young" excuse was always just that, an excuse. The vets on defense were the ones that needed to pick it up, and was the biggest reason why they were losing games earlier in the year, and since they've reverted back to the old defense they have done just that.

So let's try this again, why can't the Seahawks make a playoff run to the NFCCG?
Its obvious why. Marshawn ate skiddles. Ken walker does not eat twinkees nor skiddles! Pete Carroll does not chew bubblishis There for the universe is unable to bless the Seahawks with a playoff run. Geeze!!! I could write a book on it... ill spare you! Is anyone going to thank me?
 
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