UPDATED: AVRIL SIGNS With SEATTLE!!!

[ImTheScientist]

Cut Clem .... Easy ...he is no good to the team anymore.

 

[The Outfield]

If we cut Clemons and owe him $5.83 million this year, I'm having a hard time seeing why it would be a good idea to cut him? We save only 2.3m.

 

[kearly]

If we cut Clemons and owe him $5.83 million this year, I'm having a hard time seeing why it would be a good idea to cut him? We save only 2.3m.

It also saves over $9 million in 2014, the year where we need every penny we can possibly get. People always focus on the immediate savings then forget about the rest of the years.

 

[TDOTSEAHAWK]

Disagree. WE still have plenty of room available. No reason to get rid of Clemons. CArroll was just talking yesterday about what a great recovery he's making and that he should be ready to go.

Just like Rice added to the pile, Avril does the same.

Abraham is better, less risky, and costs less. Easy calculation, even if it's a cold one.

I'm not sure you are right on any of those accounts.

Cutting Clemons saves 3.83 million this year. He is 8.17 against the cap and 4.3 million of dead money if we cut him.

Abraham's cap number would have to be 3.83 this year which is improbable.

I also am not sure he is better - he has been about as effective as Clem, 3 years older, and doesn't know the defense.

In terms of risk, I have no doubt Avril becomes the starter and Clem plays in a reduced role to reduce wear on the knee. I am sure that he can be just as effective in those snaps.

I think cutting him after this season makes much more sense. Only 2.15 mil in dead space.

 

[The Outfield]

If we cut Clemons and owe him $5.83 million this year, I'm having a hard time seeing why it would be a good idea to cut him? We save only 2.3m.

It also saves over $9 million in 2014, the year where we need every penny we can possibly get. People always focus on the immediate savings then forget about the rest of the years.

Yeah, just saw your post on the previous page. I see.

 

[loafoftatupu]

I just like that he is coming in as a pre-made Niner hater. I mean that is half of what being a Seahawk is isn't it?

 

[TDOTSEAHAWK]

Cut Clem .... Easy ...he is no good to the team anymore.

How about as a situational pass rusher and experienced depth at our most important position other than QB?

Imagine Avril, Irvin and Clemons rushing the QB.

 

[FlyingGreg]

I'm content to let the front office worry about numbers...and just enjoy the badass roster they are creating.

Way too much stress and fuss over the cap.

 

[KK84]

Disagree. WE still have plenty of room available. No reason to get rid of Clemons. CArroll was just talking yesterday about what a great recovery he's making and that he should be ready to go.

Just like Rice added to the pile, Avril does the same.

Abraham is better, less risky, and costs less. Easy calculation, even if it's a cold one.

I'm not sure you are right on any of those accounts.

Cutting Clemons saves 3.83 million this year. He is 8.17 against the cap and 4.3 million of dead money if we cut him.

Abraham's cap number would have to be 3.83 this year which is improbable.

I also am not sure he is better - he has been about as effective as Clem, 3 years older, and doesn't know the defense.

In terms of risk, I have no doubt Avril becomes the starter and Clem plays in a reduced role to reduce wear on the knee. I am sure that he can be just as effective in those snaps.

I think cutting him after this season makes much more sense. Only 2.15 mil in dead space.

To me, which route is better depends purely on whether clem can come back from the acl and play at the same level.

 

[TDOTSEAHAWK]

To me, which route is better depends purely on whether clem can come back from the acl and play at the same level.

Play at the same level for less snaps.

 

[Sac]

As good as this FO is about treating its players right, I don't see how they can cut Clem without impacting that player friendly image they've been so diligent about protecting, especially after they just gave him a decent sized contract the prior off season.

He should make it back by week 6. If he does and doesn't look like his old self then we cut him after '13. But we certainly don't cut him when we don't know whether or not he'll be ok. Besides, the FO has said they want more pass rushers, not the same number of pass rushers we had last year only different.

I still expect a 3 tech in the draft, or a trade for someones backup 3 tech that looks promising. But I have a feeling that Jay Howard and Greg Scruggs have bright futures in front of them as well.

 

[NFSeahawks]

If we cut Clemons and owe him $5.83 million this year, I'm having a hard time seeing why it would be a good idea to cut him? We save only 2.3m.

It also saves over $9 million in 2014, the year where we need every penny we can possibly get. People always focus on the immediate savings then forget about the rest of the years.

.... I'm starting to lean towards the cutting idea, signing Russell Wilson to a 20 year contract is my most immediate concern. /sarcasm slightly off but not really he's good... seriously though a lot of guys are going to need new contracts then.

I'm starting to feel like the only reason we wouldn't cut Clemons eventually would be because we felt we only had this year to win the super bowl. I'm pretty sure thats not what JS and PC have in mind or any of us fans for that matter considering the age and talent level already of this team. If Avril and Clemons are near equals talent wise like everyone is saying, then Clemons won't matter down the road.

That being said I still think Clemons is better and am thankful for what he's done; if his time is in fact coming to a close in Seattle because of a poorly managed AND OLD field in DC.

 

[kearly]

Man, I've been making myself out to be a money grubber haven't I? I guess it's time to talk about Avril.

You might remember that a year ago I centered my 2012 offseason plan around signing Avril in free agency (IIRC, I had us drafting Wilson and Irvin in the mid rounds). I had us signing him for 5/50 and felt pretty good about it. Same size as Clemons with a similar repertoire and a touch more speed. You watch Avril and you can't help but be reminded of Clemons in terms of his style. Of course, Detroit franchised Avril and that was that.

So to get him at 2/15 is pretty crazy. I think it's right up there with Wes Welker as the biggest steal of the 2013 free agency. Basically, if he busts, we aren't on the hook for much, and if he proves himself worthy, we can always sign him to an extension later.

I think Avril is probably a healthy step down from 2010-2012 Chris Clemons, but a big step up from Bruce Irvin. He plays the edge better than Irvin and has a knack for swatting at quarterbacks to force fumbles. Ideally, you'd play Avril across from Clemons as much as possible. I'd like to replace Clemons with Abraham, but we'll see what happens there.

 

[JKent82]

If we cut Clemons and owe him $5.83 million this year, I'm having a hard time seeing why it would be a good idea to cut him? We save only 2.3m.

It also saves over $9 million in 2014, the year where we need every penny we can possibly get. People always focus on the immediate savings then forget about the rest of the years.

We can still save $7.5M in 2014 if we cut him then.

Why not keep him on the roster for the 2nd half of season/playoffs? I feel like the benefit of that alone is greater than the savings.

Of course if they're skeptical of his health, cut him.

 

[kearly]

Disagree. WE still have plenty of room available. No reason to get rid of Clemons. CArroll was just talking yesterday about what a great recovery he's making and that he should be ready to go.

Just like Rice added to the pile, Avril does the same.

Abraham is better, less risky, and costs less. Easy calculation, even if it's a cold one.

I'm not sure you are right on any of those accounts.

Cutting Clemons saves 3.83 million this year. He is 8.17 against the cap and 4.3 million of dead money if we cut him.

Abraham's cap number would have to be 3.83 this year which is improbable.

I also am not sure he is better - he has been about as effective as Clem, 3 years older, and doesn't know the defense.

In terms of risk, I have no doubt Avril becomes the starter and Clem plays in a reduced role to reduce wear on the knee. I am sure that he can be just as effective in those snaps.

I think cutting him after this season makes much more sense. Only 2.15 mil in dead space.

Again, you are forgetting about Clemons' 2014 number. Releasing Clemons saves about $13 million over the next two years.

 

[TDOTSEAHAWK]

Man, I've been making myself out to be a money grubber haven't I? I guess it's time to talk about Avril.

You might remember that a year ago I centered my 2012 offseason plan around signing Avril in free agency (IIRC, I had us drafting Wilson and Irvin in the mid rounds). I had us signing him for 5/50 and felt pretty good about it. Same size as Clemons with a similar repertoire and a touch more speed. You watch Avril and you can't help but be reminded of Clemons in terms of his style. Of course, Detroit franchised Avril and that was that.

So to get him at 2/15 is pretty crazy. I think it's right up there with Wes Welker as the biggest steal of the 2013 free agency. Basically, if he busts, we aren't on the hook for much, and if he proves himself worthy, we can always sign him to an extension later.

I think Avril is probably a healthy step down from 2010-2012 Chris Clemons, but a big step up from Bruce Irvin. He plays the edge better than Irvin and has a knack for swatting at quarterbacks to force fumbles. Ideally, you'd play Avril across from Clemons as much as possible. I'd like to replace Clemons with Abraham, but we'll see what happens there.

I think most would say 2009 Clemons is a step down from 2010-2012 Clemons. I think Avril is a great fit for the system and should thrive as a pure edge rusher.

 

[kearly]

Why not keep him on the roster for the 2nd half of season/playoffs? I feel like the benefit of that alone is greater than the savings.

Of course if they're skeptical of his health, cut him.

Because you'd be paying him about $10 million ($8 million in 2013, $2.1 dead money in 2014) for one ACL riddled, 32 year old season. Why do that when there are cheaper, healthier, less risky and probably better alternatives sitting around?

 

[SeahawksFanForever]

Man, I've been making myself out to be a money grubber haven't I? I guess it's time to talk about Avril.

You might remember that a year ago I centered my 2012 offseason plan around signing Avril in free agency (IIRC, I had us drafting Wilson and Irvin in the mid rounds). I had us signing him for 5/50 and felt pretty good about it. Same size as Clemons with a similar repertoire and a touch more speed. You watch Avril and you can't help but be reminded of Clemons in terms of his style. Of course, Detroit franchised Avril and that was that.

So to get him at 2/15 is pretty crazy. I think it's right up there with Wes Welker as the biggest steal of the 2013 free agency. Basically, if he busts, we aren't on the hook for much, and if he proves himself worthy, we can always sign him to an extension later.

I think Avril is probably a healthy step down from 2010-2012 Chris Clemons, but a big step up from Bruce Irvin. He plays the edge better than Irvin and has a knack for swatting at quarterbacks to force fumbles. Ideally, you'd play Avril across from Clemons as much as possible. I'd like to replace Clemons with Abraham, but we'll see what happens there.

Disagree with this at the moment. I want to wait until we find out how exactly are they going to use Avril. I think Avril is capable of making a bigger impact than Clemons. He might not be as good as Clemons when it comes to stopping the run but I think that Avril is arguably a better pass rusher than Clemons.

 

[kearly]

I think most would say 2009 Clemons is a step down from 2010-2012 Clemons. I think Avril is a great fit for the system and should thrive as a pure edge rusher.

Maybe. Although even as a fan of Avril's I think there is some truth to the DT observation people make. He gets most of his sacks from QBs that are standing far away from the line of scrimmage and don't step into the pocket.

 

[kearly]

Disagree with this at the moment. I want to wait until we find out how exactly are they going to use Avril. I think Avril is capable of making a bigger impact than Clemons. He might not be as good as Clemons when it comes to stopping the run but I think that Avril is arguably a better pass rusher than Clemons.

I'm just giving my opinion based on watching him play and how I think he'd translate for us.