Turbin trade value + Keeping MRob

[bbsplitter]

What do you think would be the highest draft pick we could get for Turbin? I do think he is a solid back up, but Christine Michael is probably only an offseason away (this offeason) from claiming his spot. And Spencer Ware probably has more talent then Turbin, and we just dont need 4 RB. Are there any players we might target in exchange for Turbin? This is all hypothetical of course.

I think if we traded Turbin, Spencer Ware could move back to RB which he mainly played in the preseason and first couple games. That would leave us 1. Beast Mode 2. Christine Michael 3. Spencer Ware. Even though I dont think it is likely, that might allow us a more favorable position to keep Mike Rob. Coleman will continue to develop yes, but at what pace? I would like to think that the leadership Mike Rob brings to this team has a value as well. Especially how he keeps Marshawn in check.

 

[volsunghawk]

I don't see how you get anything more than a conditional 7th for Turbin.

That's not to criticize him, but he's used sparingly and any trade partner would be thinking, "They want to unload him after only 2 seasons? What's wrong with him?"

And it's not like RB isn't a pretty fungible position. Teams can get their own Turbin-type guy for cheap in the draft.

 

[Smelly McUgly]

I would rather keep Turbin than Ware at this point. I also doubt MRob stays with Coleman right there to play FB. They'll probably trust that they can coach him up on blocking and blocking schemes in the offseason.

I hate to say this, but I think it's way more likely that Turbin is on this team at the beginning of the 2015 season than Lynch.

 

[bbsplitter]

I would rather keep Turbin than Ware at this point. I also doubt MRob stays with Coleman right there to play FB. They'll probably trust that they can coach him up on blocking and blocking schemes in the offseason.

I hate to say this, but I think it's way more likely that Turbin is on this team at the beginning of the 2015 season than Lynch.

Since 2015 would be both the last year of Lynch's deal, as well as Turbins rookie deal, I highly doubt either one will be back after that year, Lynch because of how old he would be, and Turbin because of his nature as a solid replaceable backup.

 

[Basis4day]

This system needs a lot of RB/FB and we've rolled with 5 to start the season at least the past 2 years. It's in the teams best interest to have a stocked pool of runners.

Turbin doesn't have much trade value to make it worth while. Teams that want RB can draft them for very good value.

Lynch will likely be gone after 2014 and MRob is a FA anyway. I don't think they're bringing MRob back at the expense of other players barring injury like last season.

You're going to see an attempt at transition towards Michael next year and the other runners that are under contract for more seasons. No guarantee we don't draft another runner as it is and let competition sort things out.

 

[Basis4day]

I would rather keep Turbin than Ware at this point. I also doubt MRob stays with Coleman right there to play FB. They'll probably trust that they can coach him up on blocking and blocking schemes in the offseason.

I hate to say this, but I think it's way more likely that Turbin is on this team at the beginning of the 2015 season than Lynch.

Since 2015 would be both the last year of Lynch's deal, as well as Turbins rookie deal, I highly doubt either one will be back after that year, Lynch because of how old he would be, and Turbin because of his nature as a solid replaceable backup.

They'd save 7.5 million by cutting Lynch after 2014 or they're forced to pay him 9 million if he plays in 2015. Barring restructure we likely have one more year of the beast.

 

[bbsplitter]

I would rather keep Turbin than Ware at this point. I also doubt MRob stays with Coleman right there to play FB. They'll probably trust that they can coach him up on blocking and blocking schemes in the offseason.

I hate to say this, but I think it's way more likely that Turbin is on this team at the beginning of the 2015 season than Lynch.

Since 2015 would be both the last year of Lynch's deal, as well as Turbins rookie deal, I highly doubt either one will be back after that year, Lynch because of how old he would be, and Turbin because of his nature as a solid replaceable backup.

They'd save 7.5 million by cutting Lynch after 2014 or they're forced to pay him 9 million if he plays in 2015. Barring restructure we likely have one more year of the beast.

Look at how Miller's contract turned out though and he is a TE. 11 Million. If he is integral and still producing, they will pay him.

 

[Hawknballs]

I doubt turbin's value is high enough to warrant a trade especially given the pick we used on him, you're just losing value at that point.

That being said, nothing against Turbin but I see him being a career #2 kind of guy, with Michael or another draftee eventually replacing lynch.

 

[Basis4day]

Look at how Miller's contract turned out though and he is a TE. 11 Million. If he is integral and still producing, they will pay him.

Big difference though. Miller had a cap number of 11 million this year with 7 million in dead money. You'd only save 4 million by cutting Miller before 2013.

Lynch has a cap number of 9 million in 2015 with only 1.5 in dead money. Much more likely that Lynch is cut/restructured after next season.
29 year old running backs aren't going to see that kind of money.

 

[bbsplitter]

Look at how Miller's contract turned out though and he is a TE. 11 Million. If he is integral and still producing, they will pay him.

Big difference though. Miller had a cap number of 11 million this year with 7 million in dead money. You'd only save 4 million by cutting Miller before 2013.

Lynch has a cap number of 9 million in 2015 with only 1.5 in dead money. Much more likely that Lynch is cut/restructured after next season.
29 year old running backs aren't going to see that kind of money.

There also aren't a lot of 29 year old running backs like Marshawn Lynch.

 

[LawlessHawk]

Lynch retires after the Hawks win their second title next season...

 

[kearly]

Probably 7th round value. It's not like every team had Turbin rated in the 4th round a couple years ago, and even those that did would only be getting two cheap years of his services compared to four cheap years if they draft a 2014 RB. Assuming those teams still need a RB.

Further, Turbin has probably hurt his value since being drafted. I blame Roger Goodell and his asinine "Turbin Rule" he secretly implemented to wipe out every Turbin run over 15 yards with a mysterious penalty. But regardless, Turbin's 3.9 YPC career average is especially uninspiring as a third down back on one of the NFL's better run offenses.

Turbin also sucks on specials. Really, all his value comes from blocking and pass catching. And being low cost.

He's a competent runner with good speed. He's better than his YPC. But at some point, he has to prove it with results.

 

[NorthDallas40oz]

Turbin was a 4th round pick entering the NFL. He's now 2 years older, has had middling production, can't make the first man miss, brings little-to-no special teams value, and saw his own team invest a 2nd round pick a year later on their 'RB of the future.' A running back-starved team (ex: CLE) that sees something in Turbin *might* give up a 6th round pick for him, but that would be a best case scenario. The experienced depth that he provides and inconsequential contract is worth more than the late round pick he might fetch.

 

[Smelly McUgly]

Turbin was a 4th round pick entering the NFL. He's now 2 years older, has had middling production, can't make the first man miss, brings little-to-no special teams value, and saw his own team invest a 2nd round pick a year later on their 'RB of the future.' A running back-starved team (ex: CLE) that sees something in Turbin *might* give up a 6th round pick for him, but that would be a best case scenario. The experienced depth that he provides and inconsequential contract is worth more than the late round pick he might fetch.

This is the same Cleveland that somehow cut Bobby Rainey in the preseason, so yeah, we'd have to screw over a team with no ability to evaluate running backs to get even a sixth.

 

[Osprey]

If you've seen MRob doing his 'internship' on NFLN there's no doubt he's got his next gig lined up.

 

[Basis4day]

Look at how Miller's contract turned out though and he is a TE. 11 Million. If he is integral and still producing, they will pay him.

Big difference though. Miller had a cap number of 11 million this year with 7 million in dead money. You'd only save 4 million by cutting Miller before 2013.

Lynch has a cap number of 9 million in 2015 with only 1.5 in dead money. Much more likely that Lynch is cut/restructured after next season.
29 year old running backs aren't going to see that kind of money.

There also aren't a lot of 29 year old running backs like Marshawn Lynch.

Still aren't. Lynch is 27. (He'll be 29 prior to the 2015 season we're talking about where he has such a high cap number). He'll also have another season of wear under his belt.

I don't want to say goodbye either, but running backs don't last forever. Paying him 9 million at 29 years old is a Tim Ruskell move.

 

[jblaze]

MRob is gone. Turbin would likely not get a lot of takers on the market, conditional 7th or not. He's going to be a backup for life imo but he is serviceable in that role. Hell the guy looks explosive in garbage time in the SB!

While we're talking about Lynch, something also to consider is that while most RB's fall off signfiicantly @ 30, very few run as violently as Lynch does. He's also been playing like that his whole life so his odometer is probably further along than most at this point. I think one more year with Lynch and then we need to move on.

 

[NorthDallas40oz]

I think its pretty much beyond debate that Lynch will not see the 2015 season in Seattle under the current terms of his contract, particularly with the glut of premium core FA's the Hawks will need to re-sign or extend prior to the 2015 season. This is precisely why the Hawks used their 2nd round pick last year on a RB. Doesn't necessarily mean that Lynch won't be a Seahawk in 2015, but it does mean that he won't be a Seahawk making anywhere near those dollars.

 

[jlwaters1]

I don't get the desire to trade away a guy who's on his rookie contract. He's doing fine, infact I think many opinion on here would be different of him if it weren't that every big run he makes get's called back by some boneheaded play (or tickey tacky penalty call) on the OL. He literally was robbed over 100 yards rushing over the coarse of a season.

As for Robinson, there's no way he's coming back. There are plenty of replacements and at a cheaper price for a position that isn't used that often.

 

[bbsplitter]

Look at how Miller's contract turned out though and he is a TE. 11 Million. If he is integral and still producing, they will pay him.

Big difference though. Miller had a cap number of 11 million this year with 7 million in dead money. You'd only save 4 million by cutting Miller before 2013.

Lynch has a cap number of 9 million in 2015 with only 1.5 in dead money. Much more likely that Lynch is cut/restructured after next season.
29 year old running backs aren't going to see that kind of money.

There also aren't a lot of 29 year old running backs like Marshawn Lynch.

Still aren't. Lynch is 27. (He'll be 29 prior to the 2015 season we're talking about where he has such a high cap number). He'll also have another season of wear under his belt.

I don't want to say goodbye either, but running backs don't last forever. Paying him 9 million at 29 years old is a Tim Ruskell move.

There *won't be* a lot of running backs like Marshawn. Sorry. Yes, in 2015 he will have a high cap number. But to automatically diagnose paying him as a "Tim Ruskell" move before his time has even come, is just pessimistic. Realistically, maybe he has lost a step by then. But he is a freakish human being and especially with all the new BS safety rules I could still see him making a major impact in 2015.