Time for a complete overhaul

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Only draft the QB of the future if he's the one you want and not the one you need. If he's not there this upcoming draft don't do it. Build OL around a future QB first. We've seen a million times when you surround a young QB with trash OL what happens. IMO the WR position is becoming extremely overrated.
 

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Sorry guys, overhaul started when Wilson traded to the Broncos, we are three drafts in since the overhaul. Four first rounders later, this is the year we show the league what we got and next year will be championship if not more

3-4 drafts have been what it took for teams to come back from dead

Go Hawks!

That overhaul obviously failed under Pete and they did not want to bother with one more year which is why they got rid of him. We are on the new one.
 

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That overhaul obviously failed under Pete and they did not want to bother with one more year which is why they got rid of him. We are on the new one.
I respectfully disagree. Powered by draftees from class 2022 and 2023, we went 9-7 last season. The third draft, class 2024, lead by Murphy was very good.
 

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If you go by cap timelines, this season should be the end of Seattle's rebuild. They are fully removed from Russell's cap hit, and their acquired assets are now entering years two and three. They have a team loaded with talented veterans and young players. This is a fairly talented, flawed team. They don't need to rebuild; they need to get their act together.
 

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Wow, the overreaction around here is certainly something to see. Chicken Little and the sky is falling has nothing on some folks here.
It's bordering on the painful.


If you go by cap timelines, this season should be the end of Seattle's rebuild. They are fully removed from Russell's cap hit, and their acquired assets are now entering years two and three. They have a team loaded with talented veterans and young players. This is a fairly talented, flawed team. They don't need to rebuild; they need to get their act together.
The go-to after every loss is 'fire everyone, everything's terrible, worst team ever'.

My regular internal reaction when I see some of these posts is 'Please watch some other teams from time to time' but even some folks I normally respect as pretty knowledgeable, even-tempered football minds just seem to be really bugging out.

This year has a lot of people freaking out. I think the real up-and-down nature of the season (3 straight wins, 3 straight losses, followed by our best victory, immediately followed by our worst loss) has got people straight up losing their minds.

Will this team get it together or is it going to be Jekyll and Hyde all season long? I won't pretend to know but guys: We haven't had a losing record yet. We are still sitting right at the top of our division. The season isn't over. Can we at least give Mike Macdonald and his new team a full season (or at least actually, you know, have a losing record?) before we fire everyone and kidnap their dogs?
 

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Everyone who wants to fire JS needs to look around at who is available as a replacement and identify your choice. There is a ready market for JS if HE is available.
I'm sure he'd have teams to pick from if he were to be available. I personally want him here . Like PC said , now it's HIS chance to run the show. I don't know if it was a subtle dig but it made me think that PC was in fact making the final call regarding personnel.

Hopefully Judy Allen doesn't read .NET and fire the F.O. every couple of years .
 

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I don’t trust JS anymore. He doesn’t seem to know how to build a team. PC built something and it eventually came to average. He’ll live on that. JS has proven nothing. I appreciate what he does for children and autistic ones.
 

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My biggest fear is Seattle remains adequate or does just enough to make the team think they still have a shot. Why? Because I think that stunts the team from ripping a bandaid off for a real roots deep rebuild.

However, I don’t think that’ll happen mainly because of John. His fingerprints are all over this team and I think he thinks that another trade or bandaid on the OLine is enough as long as you have unbelievable skill players.
 

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Rookie coaches need time to set the ship right. Grub ain’t NFL ready and so are personnel executing his schemes. We have some flaws in blocking the gaps and stopping the run. We somehow are unable to run block, pass block read and adjust offensive schemes .
 

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Rookie coaches need time to set the ship right. Grub ain’t NFL ready and so are personnel executing his schemes. We have some flaws in blocking the gaps and stopping the run. We somehow are unable to run block, pass block read and adjust offensive schemes .
I definitely think it was a misstep to hire a whole staff full of guys that haven't done their jobs at the NFL level. Our O-Line coach and Offensive coordinator have zero NFL experience. The NCAA is a different game, the NFL is much more complicated and intricate than the college game. The rules are different, hell field is even different, what works in the collegiate game doesn't necessarily work in the NFL.

Our Offensive line coach, O-line coach, special teams coordinator, HC, LB coach, all have no NFL experience at their respective positions. That is a great deal of the team. Some of the assistants have NFL experience, like Frasier, but who knows how involved our consultant is. I don't know if I've even spotted him once on the sidelines.

We swung for the fences for young upstarts at every major coaching position except for DC, but the DC is just a puppet for MacDonald.

I expressed in the summer that it was one area of concern for me with this new admin and I think we're seeing my fears play out. It could be that one, or all of these guys don't pan out at the NFL. We have no proven commodities at our major coaching positions. Nobody that has done it before at the NFL level. It is like starting your whole rookie class and expecting something to happen at every position. You're lucky if you get one quality starter out of a rookie class. It is EXTREMELY hard to make the transition from a positional coach in the NCAA to the NFL. We've seen successful transitions, but we've seen more flame outs and drawbacks. Chip for example had a potent offense, but his TOP always sucked because he was in an uptempo offense the whole game. In the NFL that gets punished.

Our coaches don't understand the nuances of the NFL game yet and some of them might not ever figure it out.

It was a huge misstep by MacDonald to hire coaches with no experience. It is a situation of the blind leading the blind. Nobody knows what they're doing yet. Unfortunately this is going to lead to a team that is bipolar in nature. One week we're competing with the new darling of the NFL, the Lions, the next we're getting our faced smashed in by the lowly Giants.

This is uncharted waters for everyone involved on the coaching staff and unfortunately it may end up being MacDonalds downfall it he fails here. I'm trying to be optimistic, despite the bleak picture I painted, we can still turn it around. I don't think it's going to be a one year fix. MacDonald and his associates are learning in the school of hard knocks, baptism by fire if you will.

The result is a young MacDonald that seems to have issues managing big personalities and getting teammates to buy into his vision, or so it seems from the outside looking in. This is what you get when you don't have people around you that have done it before. Really huge oversight by JS and MacDonald.
 

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With a complete new Coaching Staff it's ridiculous to have a conversation like this at this time !
Right? JFC its crazy. Whole new staff that has the club at 500 and people want to fire everyone halfway through the first season. Good lord STFU.
 

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I don’t trust JS anymore. He doesn’t seem to know how to build a team. PC built something and it eventually came to average. He’ll live on that. JS has proven nothing.
I don't think I can be this harsh on him. I think his approach is actually mostly sound.

2022 onward, I think he was smart. 2022 he took 2 tackles that both ended up working out (except Abe's knee, which was clean at the time). They're hitting on edges and skill spots.

They just missed on the IOL, but they ARE overvalued right now. The best teams coach them up to some extent. Ours never seem to progress, even Lewis who got like 16 million per year.

But we hired OL guys to run the offense to help with that. Unfortunately.. they didn't have NFL experience and the growing pains are BAD.
 

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Heard on KJR .. SeAHAWks #32 on OL CAP
That was probably always going to be true. They have two good tackles on rookie contracts (shame one of them has an exploded knee) and the guard contracts were extortionate this offseason.

As lame as it is, I'm totally fine with not paying that for a vet at guard. They'd surely be vastly underperforming anyway given the general chaos the line is in.

I'm of the opinion that we shouldn't spend on the OL until we have OL coaching that is proven to not squander talent, honestly.
 

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I think the simple fact of the matter is that by the time JS got Mike signed up, the best coordinators and up and coming position guys were spoken for. So, they did the next best thing - get lesser known guys in the NFL and the ones considered 'tops' in college.

The built their staff the way a staff builds a team in the draft. They had a first rounder that they used to get Macdonald and then didn't pick again until the 5th round. By that time, all that was left were the Durdy's of the world and the Jr, Jr Harbaugh from college. Grubb COULD be considered a prime pick, but he came from college, as a passing game guy, in a period when the league is transitioning back to hard nose defense and the ground game.

In my opinion, they guys their 'HCotf' and a bunch of JAGs around him on staff.

If anything needs to be overhauled at seasons end, it's some members of the staff around Mike.
 

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Well, when Pete came here, he was allowed to overhaul everything. Coach Mike should be able to do the same if he wants to. And yes, Pete was left with a hell of a lot worse roster, imo.
Right. Pete took over for one and done Jim Mora. Mike taking over for a hall of fame coach. Not that this roster doesn’t need to improve but it doesn’t have Aaron Curry
 
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