Thoughts on Geno's contract

[pittpnthrs]

No, he wouldn't follow the gameplan, and this was true with several offensive coordinators. That's when he started sucking worst of all. When he'd beat his lil uptempo, offense-runs-through-him drum and go all Let Russ Cook.

No. He's best when sticking to a very limited role, letting the run game move the chains, and focusing on deep passing. You know why? Because the mental side of his game is horrific. He can't read defenses, he has bad pocket presence, and he can't outrun edge rushers anymore.

Are you really going to try to argue that Seattle didn't provide a good framework for Wilson? Your amazing off-script quarterback just ruined his legacy in one season. Why's that? He can just throw out bad gameplans and exceed expectations anyway, right?

A new hole in your logic opens with every reply.

Good lord man. Its like you forgot or never watched him play. How many times was the game plan chucked in the trash in the 4th quarter and Wilson left to save the day only because of Pete insistently trying to pound a square peg into a round hole?

Wilson was set up for failure a lot on this team and he still overcame a lot of it. He was the best QB this team has ever had. If Geno Smith was the QB under those circumstances, Seattle wouldnt have won half of those games.

 

[pittpnthrs]

wait, how did wilson play last year with the broncos?

oh that's right he was the worst starting QB in the league.

What does that have to do with anything? Wilson is past his prime and was on a team in which the head coach had no business being a head coach in the NFL.

 

[bigskydoc]

Good lord man. Its like you forgot or never watched him play. How many times was the game plan chucked in the trash in the 4th quarter and Wilson left to save the day only because of Pete insistently trying to pound a square peg into a round hole?

Wilson was set up for failure a lot on this team and he still overcame a lot of it. He was the best QB this team has ever had. If Geno Smith was the QB under those circumstances, Seattle wouldnt have won half of those games.

I saw a game plan that wore down defenses, and kept the game tight, through the first three quarters, setting Wilson up to do what he does best against gassed defenses.

We saw exactly what happened when he was allowed to bring 4th quarter Russ into quarters 1 through 3. Looked amazing for a while, until defenses got a read on him.

I would argue that the game plan made it possible for Russ to succeed in ways he never would have elsewhere. That appears to be Carroll's strength.

The apparent lack of market for Geno, would argue that other NFL GMs see it the same way, even if only in retrospect.

 

[scutterhawk]

Lol. Wilson won a lot when he had to abandon the pathetic gameplan or did you forget about that?

Yea?, and how did that work out for him in Denver last year?, It was HIS OWN pathetic gameplans that he failed with NOT Nathanial Hackett's, hell, it wasn't until Hackett got canned for him & the Walmart Wizards letting Wilson have his own office, design HIS OWN Offensive "Gameplans" MOST the way through the Season, LOLOLOL FIVE WINS???
Many are speculating a hell of a lot better win rate for Wilson & the Donco's (could hardly do worse), now with Payton having come in and close down ME-3's office and ran off a bunch of distractors.
OH AND, I'm not now, nor have I ever been a RW hater, he's just not the legend that some of y'all are trying to make him out to be, at least not YET, and Pete ain't the villain that some of y'all Wilson apologist's are trying (and failing) to make him out to be either.

 

[Maelstrom787]

Good lord man. Its like you forgot or never watched him play. How many times was the game plan chucked in the trash in the 4th quarter and Wilson left to save the day only because of Pete insistently trying to pound a square peg into a round hole?

Wilson was set up for failure a lot on this team and he still overcame a lot of it. He was the best QB this team has ever had. If Geno Smith was the QB under those circumstances, Seattle wouldnt have won half of those games.

Hmm. Actually, I did watch him play, and in retrospect, my takes make a lot more sense than yours did on the matter, seeing what we've seen now.

Same holds true for Geno.

 

[bsuhawk]

How can anyone see this contract as anything other than a win-win for both the team and Geno. 30 tds. 4k passer. Led the league in completion percentage. All while going into the season was viewed as trash and us tanking the season. 25 mill a year base salary with only 40 fully guaranteed which allows us cap space and ability to draft a guy to learn for a season or two. If he nails all those incentives that equates to having a solid QB and still paying well under the going rate of the guys inked to 45-50 million a year. Great team leader that is fully recognized by everyone in that locker room, he’s super humble and weathered through the humility he faced for years but kept grinding. Yea maybe the market wasn’t coming after him but even more he didn’t want to go anywhere else and we wanted him at the helm.

According to this article, if Geno hits all of his performance escalators for 2024 and 2025 the cap hits will be $46.2M and $48.7M, respectively. That could be a problem.

 

[CPHawk]

Good lord man. Its like you forgot or never watched him play. How many times was the game plan chucked in the trash in the 4th quarter and Wilson left to save the day only because of Pete insistently trying to pound a square peg into a round hole?

Wilson was set up for failure a lot on this team and he still overcame a lot of it. He was the best QB this team has ever had. If Geno Smith was the QB under those circumstances, Seattle wouldnt have won half of those games.

I think we have seen enough of Wilson cooking to know the game plan only worked when wearing down the D. Wilson of course wanted everyone to believe he could throw it 30 times a game, and be the main focus. But I don’t believe that to be true. He was really good with a great D, and great RB. But with just a great D in Denver, he couldn’t cut it.

 

[BlueTalon]

What does that have to do with anything? Wilson is past his prime and was on a team in which the head coach had no business being a head coach in the NFL.

Denver's head coach wasn't the reason Russ was missing wide open receivers in plain view.

 

[scutterhawk]

Is the light starting to come on for ya Pitt, or are you just going to keep on p*ssin' in the? wind. LOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!!!!!!

 

[Lagartixa]

Good lord man. Its like you forgot or never watched him play. How many times was the game plan chucked in the trash in the 4th quarter and Wilson left to save the day only because of Pete insistently trying to pound a square peg into a round hole?

Carroll was forced to make the Seahawks play Russ-ball (which the anti-Carroll crowd around here calls "Pete-ball") in order to minimize the damage done by Wilson's weaknesses while still getting as much as possible out of Wilson's strengths.

Once Wilson was put into an environment where he was able to play the way he wanted ("freed from the shackles" of Pete Carroll's choices), he was one of the three or four worst quarterbacks in the league, on the same level as such luminaries as Baker Mayfield and the rotting corpse of Matt Ryan, just one season after Wilson having been a second-quartile QB for two seasons in a row, and just three seasons after having been a top-five QB, one of two seasons in his career in which he was that good. It doesn't look like age-related decline, which tends to be gradual. It looks like Wilson got away from being protected from himself by Carroll and flat-out sucked.

Wilson was set up for failure a lot on this team and he still overcame a lot of it. He was the best QB this team has ever had. If Geno Smith was the QB under those circumstances, Seattle wouldnt have won half of those games.

Wilson was protected from failure on the Seahawks, and once he got away from Carroll's protection, his performance blew diseased goats. If the Seahawks had had a quarterback who knew how to read defenses and could (or would - I still don't know if Wilson didn't see the wide-open guys or if he did see them and just ignored them) throw to the short and intermediate middle parts of the field, the Seahawks might not have been behind as much in fourth quarters. I loved the big "moonball" completions to Lockett et al., but some more short, move-the-sticks completions could have made the Seahawks offense more effective throughout the games.

What does that have to do with anything? Wilson is past his prime and was on a team in which the head coach had no business being a head coach in the NFL.

"[P]ast his prime"? Didn't you say repeatedly that Carroll was a dinosaur and Wilson was "in his prime" and "a top-5, HOF" QB, as late as 2021? How did he suddenly go from "top-five, HOF QB" to "past his prime" in less than a single season? Weren't you in favor of Wilson getting a massive contract extension from the Seahawks and Carroll being fired?

 

[pittpnthrs]

I think we have seen enough of Wilson cooking to know the game plan only worked when wearing down the D. Wilson of course wanted everyone to believe he could throw it 30 times a game, and be the main focus. But I don’t believe that to be true. He was really good with a great D, and great RB. But with just a great D in Denver, he couldn’t cut it.

Lol. He only had a great D and great RB for a very short time in Seattle and he still played incredible ball. He just wasnt good enough to overcome Carroll, but nobody is. Carroll is the one that needed the great D and great RB more so than Wilson. Props though to the great defensive minded coach that has created such a dumpster fire on that side of the ball.

 

[pittpnthrs]

Denver's head coach wasn't the reason Russ was missing wide open receivers in plain view.

Guess we're about to find out.

 

[Maelstrom787]

Guess we're about to find out.

He succeeds in spite of coaching, remember?

You're flailing.

 

[CPHawk]

Lol. He only had a great D and great RB for a very short time in Seattle and he still played incredible ball. He just wasnt good enough to overcome Carroll, but nobody is. Carroll is the one that needed the great D and great RB more so than Wilson. Props though to the great defensive minded coach that has created such a dumpster fire on that side of the ball.

One had a winning record with out the other one.

 

[pittpnthrs]

Carroll was forced to make the Seahawks play Russ-ball (which the anti-Carroll crowd around here calls "Pete-ball") in order to minimize the damage done by Wilson's weaknesses while still getting as much as possible out of Wilson's strengths.

Once Wilson was put into an environment where he was able to play the way he wanted ("freed from the shackles" of Pete Carroll's choices), he was one of the three or four worst quarterbacks in the league, on the same level as such luminaries as Baker Mayfield and the rotting corpse of Matt Ryan, just one season after Wilson having been a second-quartile QB for two seasons in a row, and just three seasons after having been a top-five QB, one of two seasons in his career in which he was that good. It doesn't look like age-related decline, which tends to be gradual. It looks like Wilson got away from being protected from himself by Carroll and flat-out sucked.



Wilson was protected from failure on the Seahawks, and once he got away from Carroll's protection, his performance blew diseased goats. If the Seahawks had had a quarterback who knew how to read defenses and could (or would - I still don't know if Wilson didn't see the wide-open guys or if he did see them and just ignored them) throw to the short and intermediate middle parts of the field, the Seahawks might not have been behind as much in fourth quarters. I loved the big "moonball" completions to Lockett et al., but some more short, move-the-sticks completions could have made the Seahawks offense more effective throughout the games.



"[P]ast his prime"? Didn't you say repeatedly that Carroll was a dinosaur and Wilson was "in his prime" and "a top-5, HOF" QB, as late as 2021? How did he suddenly go from "top-five, HOF QB" to "past his prime" in less than a single season? Weren't you in favor of Wilson getting a massive contract extension from the Seahawks and Carroll being fired?

Carroll was forced to play Russ ball because his scheme of wearing down defenses wasnt working due to poor Olines and RB's that were running into brick walls and hardly ever making it through seasons without injuries. Also, defenses that couldnt stop a snail with a groin pull. When Wilson asked for Oline help, Carroll and company were to busy giving the farm up for safeties and being cute as usual instead of addressing real needs.

Yes, letting Wilson have free reign wasnt working because defenses had only one aspect to concentrate on, but it was worth the gamble as they had nothing else to rely on. Wilsons biggest problem was his regressive speed. The guy got killed so often earlier in his career due to crap lines that he automatically took off when there was any sign of pressure. Now who's fault was that really? The QB or the coach that ignored the Oline forever?

Wilson has had to play hero ball for years to try to win games. Yes, he was set up for failure.

 

[pittpnthrs]

He succeeds in spite of coaching, remember?

You're flailing.

He's done it for years in Seattle. Maybe he cant do it anymore. We'll see.

 

[BlueTalon]

Guess we're about to find out.

I'll be following with interest to see if Payton can coach Wilson into seeing the field. I hope he can.

 

[pittpnthrs]

One had a winning record with out the other one.

Are you talking about Carrolls sub .500 NFL record without Wilson?

 

[pittpnthrs]

I'll be following with interest to see if Payton can coach Wilson into seeing the field. I hope he can.

Me too. If nothing else, Payton will give him what he needs to succeed.

 

[chris98251]

Me too. If nothing else, Payton will give him what he needs to succeed.

I agree, he should be broadcasting as an analist or be a Judge on America's got Talent in two years.