The real RG3, or sophomore slump?

[-The Glove-]

I think that he felt pressured to play, by both the fans, and the ownership. He came back way too soon from tearing two ligaments.

Ironically, it seems that Clem is in better game shape than RG3, though the team is treating him as much more of a role player these days.

He's more than partly to blame. His training video he put out didn't help and saying he's ready to go throughout preseason didn't either.

 

[HawkWow]

I still am not sure what RGIII has done to deserve that "entitled" label, and I have been seeing the same coverage as you have, but I guess we'll agree to disagree.

Sounds good.

I will concede it likely wasn't Griffin that started the hype, but he certainly bought into it. I may be extra critical of him because of the lunacy that went into the "Luck or RG3?" debates (LMAO). But in any event, he seems to be getting his reality checked and I sincerely wish him well going forward.

 

[HawkWow]

I think that he felt pressured to play, by both the fans, and the ownership. He came back way too soon from tearing two ligaments.

Ironically, it seems that Clem is in better game shape than RG3, though the team is treating him as much more of a role player these days.

He's more than partly to blame. His training video he put out didn't help and saying he's ready to go throughout preseason didn't either.

...and that was some of the arrogance I spoke of. He went public with that nonsense, appealing to the fans, and it pushed the Skins into a corner. Now they're all screwed.

 

[joeseahawks]

I think people need to understand the context to really grasp what's happening to RGIII.
For the last 20 years, the Redskins have been so desperate to have a Franchise QB, they have anointed any decent QB, the next Big everything. I remember Gus Frerrote, Tony Banks, Patrick Ramsey, Jason Campbell, ... Anyone of them who had a decent season was hyped by the DC Media and ESPN...
The Washington owner and media are also interested in doing anything to make more noise than the Dallas (Cowboys) market and the New York (Giants) Market. RGIII flashiness also makes him a great Media attraction for ESPN and all the news organizations.
RGIII is a very good athlete, a more than average (college) thrower, had great numbers in college and also happened to be African American (Redskins have a very large following of African Americans who live in the DC/MD/VA Area). The DC Market and ESPN were desperate to create the next "LeBron James".
Oh well ... I hate to say this, but the Media hype might have killed this young man's career. I'm convinced he could be a very serviceable QB is smaller markets, away from the Media Hype and pressure. I think they should shut him down for the season and give his body time to heal for good. NFL Defenses are smelling blood when they line up opposite of RGIII.
For anyone who follows soccer, RGIII reminds me more and more of Freddy Adu, a soccer phenom hyped by ESPN and the American media , when he joined DC United right out of high school at age 17.

 

[rigelian]

I think people need to understand the context to really grasp what's happening to RGIII.
For the last 20 years, the Redskins have been so desperate to have a Franchise QB, they have anointed any decent QB, the next Big everything. I remember Gus Frerrote, Tony Banks, Patrick Ramsey, Jason Campbell, ... Anyone of them who had a decent season was hyped by the DC Media and ESPN...
The Washington owner and media are also interested in doing anything to make more noise than the Dallas (Cowboys) market and the New York (Giants) Market. RGIII flashiness also makes him a great Media attraction for ESPN and all the news organizations.
RGIII is a very good athlete, a more than average (college) thrower, had great numbers in college and also happened to be African American (Redskins have a very large following of African Americans who live in the DC/MD/VA Area). The DC Market and ESPN were desperate to create the next "LeBron James".
Oh well ... I hate to say this, but the Media hype might have killed this young man's career. I'm convinced he could be a very serviceable QB is smaller markets, away from the Media Hype and pressure. I think they should shut him down for the season and give his body time to heal for good. NFL Defenses are smelling blood when they line up opposite of RGIII.
For anyone who follows soccer, RGIII reminds me more and more of Freddy Adu, a soccer phenom hyped by ESPN and the American media , when he joined DC United right out of high school at age 17.

I agree and disagree. First of all I think that he is more than just a thrower. Last year he made mostly accurate passes to the right person. He seems rather intelligent. You don't get his completion percentage and low interception to pass ratio by being just a thrower. The guy is obviously a hard worker and seems to believe that he is responsible for putting the team on his shoulders.

The problem is that he is not completely comfortable this year. There are too many competing messages in his head. The first message is protect yourself. Which means don't run. Which means stay in the pocket. As a result he tries to stay in the pocket longer than he should. On top of it, the knee isn't quite right. He doesn't set his feet correctly and does a lot of his throws with just his arm. Passes sail on him.

The other problem is the coach and team. They didn't protect him from himself. He's a competitor. Think Farve with his arm injury when he was a Jet. He hid it.

I don't think it is arrogance. I think it is conception of what it means to be a leader.

 

[Thunderhawk]

In the NFL it will always be more important to think fast than run fast. RGIII is having to dramatically alter his game and it will take a while for his mind to catch up to his talent. He seems like a very bright guy and will read defenses quicker with a bit more seasoning. When he learns to selectively run like Wilson he'll become a weapon once more.

But everyone who thinks the era of running QBs has arrived is sorely mistaken. These guys will not be able to survive an entire season. Wilson has the best shot to regularly run and remain injury free due to his compact frame and uncanny ability to slide and avoid big shots. RGIII is built differently and still hasn't mastered avoiding contact and his career will hang in the balance until he does like most other 'running' QBs.

 

[Tech Worlds]

I still am not sure what RGIII has done to deserve that "entitled" label, and I have been seeing the same coverage as you have, but I guess we'll agree to disagree.

You haven't because it's simply not there.

 

[Sgt. Largent]

I don't think it's either "real RG3 or sophomore slump."

The REAL RG3 is what you saw at Baylor and the first half of last season. But two torn ACL's in three years has make RG3 about 60-70% of the dynamic football player he once was. Now all that's left is flashes of the old RG3, followed by someone trying desperately to play on a chronically damaged knee.

Every doctor interview I've seen have said the same thing about RG3. You CANNOT, and I repeat CANNOT repair MCL and ACL's multiple times, because fixing the problem means taking tendons from other parts of the knees to fix the damaged area. So in essence you're trying to strengthen the damaged ACL area while weakening another part.

 

[SmokinHawk]

I don't think it's either "real RG3 or sophomore slump."

The REAL RG3 is what you saw at Baylor and the first half of last season. But two torn ACL's in three years has make RG3 about 60-70% of the dynamic football player he once was. Now all that's left is flashes of the old RG3, followed by someone trying desperately to play on a chronically damaged knee.

Every doctor interview I've seen have said the same thing about RG3. You CANNOT, and I repeat CANNOT repair MCL and ACL's multiple times, because fixing the problem means taking tendons from other parts of the knees to fix the damaged area. So in essence you're trying to strengthen the damaged ACL area while weakening another part.

While it's no doubt a bad thing to have multiple reconstructive surgeries on a knee, the connective tissue typically come from cadavers (dead bodies), not other parts of the knee.

 

[Sgt. Largent]

I don't think it's either "real RG3 or sophomore slump."

The REAL RG3 is what you saw at Baylor and the first half of last season. But two torn ACL's in three years has make RG3 about 60-70% of the dynamic football player he once was. Now all that's left is flashes of the old RG3, followed by someone trying desperately to play on a chronically damaged knee.

Every doctor interview I've seen have said the same thing about RG3. You CANNOT, and I repeat CANNOT repair MCL and ACL's multiple times, because fixing the problem means taking tendons from other parts of the knees to fix the damaged area. So in essence you're trying to strengthen the damaged ACL area while weakening another part.

While it's no doubt a bad thing to have multiple reconstructive surgeries on a knee, the connective tissue typically come from cadavers (dead bodies), not other parts of the knee.

Here's an article explaining what happened with RG3's surgery.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-204_162-575 ... re-entail/

Dr. Andrew's chose not to use a cadaver ligament because that's not conducive to sports related ACL/MCL tears. So he took the tissue from RG3's left knee. Why? Because right knee tissue was already taken for RG3's first ACL tear in college. Thus my point, you can't continue to pull tissue from your knees over and over without weakening them entirely...........especially for a QB like RG3 who refuses to go down or stop running.

 

[joeseahawks]

I think RGIII is still "young" and his body can still rebuild properly (naturally), but it needs time (in years, not months or weeks). But the NFL doesn't have time to wait and the pressure of the surroundings (Media, Fans, Owners, ...etc) doesn't make things easy either.
I remember the time, when QBs were drafted and waited 1, 2 or even 3 years to play. I remember Carson Palmer in Cincinnati (he sat behind Jon Kitna), Steve McNair in Tennessee (sat for a few years). Even Philip Rivers had to sit for a while, before taking over in San Diego. A small market team could have given RGIII enough time to sit and allow his body to heal. Time he could have used to "adjust his game".
I think, if the owner had some sense, he would pull the plug on this young man asap to get him completely healthy. But, I doubt this will happen.

I don't think it's either "real RG3 or sophomore slump."

The REAL RG3 is what you saw at Baylor and the first half of last season. But two torn ACL's in three years has make RG3 about 60-70% of the dynamic football player he once was. Now all that's left is flashes of the old RG3, followed by someone trying desperately to play on a chronically damaged knee.

Every doctor interview I've seen have said the same thing about RG3. You CANNOT, and I repeat CANNOT repair MCL and ACL's multiple times, because fixing the problem means taking tendons from other parts of the knees to fix the damaged area. So in essence you're trying to strengthen the damaged ACL area while weakening another part.

 

[MANUNITED23]

He is simply a bottom 10 QB in the NFL.

 

[C-Dub]

RG3 is not going to last all season. He is getting lit up on his own accord.