The official debate Wilson thread.

[edogg23]

I saw 5 dropps out there not 8, what are you guys counting everytime a ball touches any part of a receiver as a drop? Not sure I would agree with that. Still even the 5 probably doubled about what they had all year... not Good!

 

[LoneHawkFan]

I saw 5 drops out there not 8, what are you guys counting every time a ball touches any part of a receiver as a drop? Not sure I would agree with that. Still even the 5 probably doubled about what they had all year... not Good!

Turbin- obvious drop
Tate- one off his chest, one down the sidelines when they should have called PI- but he got to the ball and got both hands on it, and one just a couple plays later at the 5 when he had position on his guy...he could've caught all three
Rice- later in the game when he didn't come back to the ball...instead he sat there and let the DB break it up- the ball was right in his hands
Lynch- check down late...not a great throw but def catchable
Moore- hit him in the chest
Edwards- had the ball in his hands, in the end zone...brought it down on Willis's helmet and it popped right out.

That's 8 balls we could have had that were good passes that we didn't catch. On ALL of these, we had two hands on the ball or it hit us in the chest. A few of these were broken up, however, great receivers catch those passes. We don't have great receivers and, thus, we have a QB that has shitty numbers and now has an ignorant portion of the fan-base jumpin' all on his ass.

 

[canucklhead]

I saw 5 drops out there not 8, what are you guys counting every time a ball touches any part of a receiver as a drop? Not sure I would agree with that. Still even the 5 probably doubled about what they had all year... not Good!

Turbin- obvious drop
Tate- one off his chest, one down the sidelines when they should have called PI- but he got to the ball and got both hands on it, and one just a couple plays later at the 5 when he had position on his guy...he could've caught all three
Rice- later in the game when he didn't come back to the ball...instead he sat there and let the DB break it up- the ball was right in his hands
Lynch- check down late...not a great throw but def catchable
Moore- hit him in the chest
Edwards- had the ball in his hands, in the end zone...brought it down on Willis's helmet and it popped right out.

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Turbin: yes (obviously)
Tate: 1 huge drop, COULD have caught the other two but they were not drops
Rice: no way. He was covered like a glove and Wilson floated it out there
Lynch: Meaningless...he wasn't getting the first down even if he caught the ball
Moore: yes
Edwards: this one boggles my mind. Covered on every side with guys draped all over him. He made a good play just to get to the ball first. Nowhere near a drop.

Tate's 3rd down slant drop, Turbin, and Moore were the killers.

 

[AVL]

Aw snap, trade him for some skittles and STFU.




disclosure; 2 pages of the whine list is all I could bear.

 

[Missing_Clink]

The game was a total failure of the PASSING GAME. That includes the WR's, TEs, pass blocking, play calling, and yes, the savior himself, Russell Wilson. No one in the passing game had a good game. The drops were ugly, Wilson's play in the second half was ugly, the play calls sometimes seemed pretty bad...it was just very bad all around. There is absolutely no question in my mind that everyone, including RW3 shares the blame and deserves the criticism.

 

[canucklhead]

The game was a total failure of the PASSING GAME. That includes the WR's, TEs, pass blocking, play calling, and yes, the savior himself, Russell Wilson. No one in the passing game had a good game. The drops were ugly, Wilson's play in the second half was ugly, the play calls sometimes seemed pretty bad...it was just very bad all around. There is absolutely no question in my mind that everyone, including RW3 shares the blame and deserves the criticism.

:th2thumbs:

 

[SeaChase]

Pass blocking looked a lot better actually. The recievers did drop some crucial passes but ball placement is all on Wilson, finding an open reciever is all on Wilson.

 

[LoneHawkFan]

I saw 5 drops out there not 8, what are you guys counting every time a ball touches any part of a receiver as a drop? Not sure I would agree with that. Still even the 5 probably doubled about what they had all year... not Good!

Turbin- obvious drop
Tate- one off his chest, one down the sidelines when they should have called PI- but he got to the ball and got both hands on it, and one just a couple plays later at the 5 when he had position on his guy...he could've caught all three
Rice- later in the game when he didn't come back to the ball...instead he sat there and let the DB break it up- the ball was right in his hands
Lynch- check down late...not a great throw but def catchable
Moore- hit him in the chest
Edwards- had the ball in his hands, in the end zone...brought it down on Willis's helmet and it popped right out.

.

Turbin: yes (obviously)
Tate: 1 huge drop, COULD have caught the other two but they were not drops
Rice: no way. He was covered like a glove and Wilson floated it out there
Lynch: Meaningless...he wasn't getting the first down even if he caught the ball
Moore: yes
Edwards: this one boggles my mind. Covered on every side with guys draped all over him. He made a good play just to get to the ball first. Nowhere near a drop.

Tate's 3rd down slant drop, Turbin, and Moore were the killers.

This is a discussion about Wilson and so I'm simply saying that all of these passes were put in a place where the receivers could have made a play and they didn't. All of the passes I described could have been caught by a Seahawks receiver, period. Had Edwards come down with that perfectly placed pass- where he was the only one who had a shot to catch it- yes, it would have been a great catch. That's the difference right now between the Hawks and the Falcons. The gap is MUUUUUUUUUUCH wider between our respective receiving corps than it is between our QBs. No...I'm not suggesting that Russell is close to as good as Ryan...he will be though...what I'm suggesting is that Roddy White/ Julio Jones/ Tony Gonzales are in a different stratosphere than our guys- and our guys will never be that good. If Ryan QBs our team...he isn't a top 10 QB, let alone a top 3.

This is NOT a QB issue. We're trying to take one #2 and several #3/4/5 receivers and shitty TEs and put together a passing offense- and that can't be done consistently. More often than not (as we have seen) it's the receivers who have failed in the passing game execution, NOT the QB, period.

Rice needed to come back to the ball there. He let it hit him head high instead of going and grabbing it at the highest point which would have taken the DB out of the play. How often do you think Calvin Johnson doesn't catch that ball? Next to never.

All of this being said, I think our play designs must suck. I'm not a big Xs and Os guy, I don't watch film...but there are too many flaws to just blame the players...too many kinds of flaws. No consistency to the types of passing plays we run from game to game, not even within a game. We can't get open consistently...this has to be partly a receiver issue as well, but I think it's more a coaching issue than personnel. Either way, we suck because of it.

In the end...IMHO...the least of the problem with our passing offense is the QB position.

 

[m0ng0]

The game was a total failure of the PASSING GAME. That includes the WR's, TEs, pass blocking, play calling, and yes, the savior himself, Russell Wilson. No one in the passing game had a good game. The drops were ugly, Wilson's play in the second half was ugly, the play calls sometimes seemed pretty bad...it was just very bad all around. There is absolutely no question in my mind that everyone, including RW3 shares the blame and deserves the criticism.

:th2thumbs:

:th2thumbs: :th2thumbs:

 

[Zowert]

The drops were momentum killers. When you drop several easy 1st downs [a few in critical moments], where you need to get something going and the defense is starting to get very tired. You will lose, every time. Your QB, I don't care who he is, will never be able to get a rhythm going. I would imagine those drops that denied the Seahawks a first down, had some sort of psychological effect on Russ. He was probably thinking something like, "Man... I put that ball right on his hands and he drops it. Now I have to deal with a critical third and long. Am I playing alone here?!"

 

[ImTheScientist]

Pass blocking looked a lot better actually. The recievers did drop some crucial passes but ball placement is all on Wilson, finding an open reciever is all on Wilson.

Do you feel ball placement was bad? Which dropped pass was poor placement?

 

[edogg23]

I saw 5 drops out there not 8, what are you guys counting every time a ball touches any part of a receiver as a drop? Not sure I would agree with that. Still even the 5 probably doubled about what they had all year... not Good!

Turbin- obvious drop
Tate- one off his chest, one down the sidelines when they should have called PI- but he got to the ball and got both hands on it, and one just a couple plays later at the 5 when he had position on his guy...he could've caught all three
Rice- later in the game when he didn't come back to the ball...instead he sat there and let the DB break it up- the ball was right in his hands
Lynch- check down late...not a great throw but def catchable
Moore- hit him in the chest
Edwards- had the ball in his hands, in the end zone...brought it down on Willis's helmet and it popped right out.

.

Turbin: yes (obviously)
Tate: 1 huge drop, COULD have caught the other two but they were not drops
Rice: no way. He was covered like a glove and Wilson floated it out there
Lynch: Meaningless...he wasn't getting the first down even if he caught the ball
Moore: yes
Edwards: this one boggles my mind. Covered on every side with guys draped all over him. He made a good play just to get to the ball first. Nowhere near a drop.

Tate's 3rd down slant drop, Turbin, and Moore were the killers.

Thank you... this is how i felt as well, glad I'm not the only one.

 

[LymonHawk]

How can anyone blame Turbin? It was a rookie mistake!


:mrgreen:

 

[volsunghawk]

How can anyone blame Turbin? It was a rookie mistake!


:mrgreen:

Rookies do get blamed for their mistakes. We've seen it on this board all season.

What I don't see is people calling for Turbin to be replaced by Kregg Lumpkin and sitting so he can learn the game from the bench for a year.

:141847_bnono:

 

[hawker84]

Going into the final drive he was 1/5 in the second half with one drop. Two of those were throw aways. We pretty much only ran the ball in the second half, so if you are going to be upset with that statistic, please send Darryl Bevell an email asking him why he stopped calling passing plays. RW was electric in the first half and should have been around 200 yards and a TD.

Clearly, people knee-jerk and go purely off of statistics. If you think a major part of the blame goes onto RW's shoulders, you are NOT an objective football watcher. How about our linebackers missing their assignments over and over again in the running game? And on top of that, being absolutely horrendous in the passing game on check downs. Frank Gore was CONSTANTLY wide open in the middle of the field with no LB in sight. How about our D-line getting completely blown off the ball 3/4 of the game. 5 drops is inexcuseable for NFL wide receivers.

The majority of our team went out to the field in warm ups, dropped heat all over it, and went to the locker room before kick off.

was compelled to reply to this post, but this one says it all.... this is the most ridiculous thread i've seen yet.

 

[hox]

Wilson needs to work more on throwing receivers open and in stride. Notice he throws behind a lot - one to Baldwin and the other to Lynch in this past game. Pretty sure he will get better at this.

 

[SmokinHawk]

Wilson made a couple mistakes but most of this has to fall on our WRs. I lost count of how many drops there were. Every single receiver we had on the field dropped at least one pass yesterday. Even Lynch and Turbin flubbed one. It was a travesty, really, seeing so many tough throws (like sideline passes, for example) drop right on the money then fall hopelessly to the turf as the inept receiver bobbles it. It was a sad day to be a Seahawks wide receiver.

I saw more than enough from Wilson to show that he is our guy. The stats do NOT reveal the whole story in this game. Pass after pass after pass dropping to the turf. That interception Russ took is the only thing I can hold against the kid. Our wideouts just aren't playing well at all.

 

[bingotown]

That's it everyone keep drinking the RW koolaid and watch the
games in rosé colored glasses. Receivers sucked, play calling sucked
defense sucked, refs sucked, turf sucked but ohhhh that Russell
Wilson. He did everything! He can't be expected to win a game by
himself. Another glass of koolaid please.

 

[ImTheScientist]

That's it everyone keep drinking the RW koolaid and watch the
games in rosé colored glasses.

:141847_bnono:

 

[Hasselbeck]

That's it everyone keep drinking the RW koolaid and watch the
games in rosé colored glasses. Receivers sucked, play calling sucked
defense sucked, refs sucked, turf sucked but ohhhh that Russell
Wilson. He did everything! He can't be expected to win a game by
himself. Another glass of koolaid please.

This board is so unbearable after a loss sometimes.

I have been hard on Wilson all year - but THIS LOSS IS NOT ON HIM.

Let me repeat.

THIS. LOSS. IS. NOT. ON. HIM.

If Turbin, Moore and Tate catch balls they probably catch 95% of the time otherwise, Wilson's being lauded again on this board because we probably just beat the 49ers on the road.

The Rams game? I blame Wilson. The Cardinals and 49ers games? Easily could have been different had it not been for WR drops.