bjornanderson21
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Scottemojo":12ouooyq said:Lynch was and Graham were trades. You seem to treat their acquisition like free agent pickups, they were not.TwistedHusky":12ouooyq said:very long, but did read
Your original premise was bone headed moves. You have now expanded it to some sort of treatise on free agency being a different animal than the rest of their team building process.
You probably should have stuck with the original thought, boneheaded moves.
I personally don't think they have some separate philosophy for free agents or rookies or guys they trade for. I think it is way simpler than that.
They want players who compete. They occasionally get it wrong because humans can be really surprising creatures, both good and bad.
Cary Williams got freaked out by not fitting ON THE FIELD, and stopped competing. His last game he was not a press bail corner, he was a bail corner, and when it was clear he was more worried about getting beat deep every play than anything else, he got the mid game axe. Never saw the field again in Seattle. Not competing was the sin, though. As far as his acquisition, it was a terrible corner market, he had some pedigree, was a comparitive bargain, and fit their profile. I think they thought they could mold him in 2 months. THey were wrong. It happens. Blaming them for Kam feeling slighted is dumb, and anyone who does needs to watch less soap operas. Kam included.
Harvin was not acquired through some free agency method. First, he was a trade, not a signing, though the big contract made it feel like a free agent move. 2nd, that move is completely on Pete. Pete relied on his scouting and attempts to get Harvin to go to USC, not any reports of discord from Minnesota. Like many of us would do, he relied on first hand knowledge of a person over media reports. He was wrong.
But while discord was the reason Percy was traded for peanuts, Percy wasn't competing either. It wasn't as clear to see as what happened to Williams on the field in front of all our eyes, but I was watching the all 22 at the time, and there was a notable lack of effort from Percy that varied depending on his game involvement. The pressure on the OC to get him touches was compounded by him being a very unpolished route runner who starts taking plays off if he doesn't feel involved.
In less words, Percy was an entitled jerk, and the word entitled implies a lack of competing. Him being a total douchebag made it easier to let him go, but if you could ask Pete why it happened, I am certain he would spin it to Percy not competing is some way as the reason for the failed move. It was easily Pete's most boneheaded move because he relied on his own college scouting over real reports of a malcontent, but the actual results on the field were enough for even the most critical Seahawk fan to get why Pete wanted the guy.
My own long reply ends this way. I think every move should exist in a vacuum. examine it on it's own merits, and use competition as the 100 watt bulb for your examination. There is no real philosophy other than that. Overpaid free agents, bargain free agents, draftees, squeaky clean guys like Wilson and dirty rep guys like Percy and Frank Clark are here for one reason, Pete and the people he leads think they can compete in practice and on the field. When they stop thinking that, the guy is gone.
Finally, someone else who saw Harvin's lack of effort. It was easily seen by anyone who paid attention. But im confused about the part where you say even the most critical fan could see why they wanted him. Im the most critical fan and he was a disaster from day 1 and at no point looked like he would be a good addition.
When Harvin is getting the handoff = run full speed
When harvin is a runningback decoy = run at 50-70% speed.
When harvin's number is called for a pass = run hard to get close to the ball so he can drop the pass
When harvin is a WR decoy = run at 50-70% speed.
The guy was a failure in every way: huge cost of draft picks, grossly overpaid, injured all the time, not very productive in the few games he played, and a terrible attitude.
A trade simply CANNOT go worse than the Harvin trade.
Al Davis never made a move that bad. Jerry Jones never made a move that bad. Ruskell never made a move that bad.