That final interception was on DK

[GemCity]

The route DK ran was incredibly awful.

DK half assed it and rounded off and almost look like he was jogging with no sense of urgency.

And yeah if you look at DK on the sideline knows he is guilty of running a shitty and very lazy route.

I am not sure if DK knew he was the primary first read but if he did not know, that is also another problem and it is also a bigger problem.

Geno has probably stopped trusting DK to run routes correctly.

At the end of the day and let’s call it for how it is, it was a poor effort by DK (in which he has ran poorly previously multiple times and cost Seattle games) and not an NFL level route running example.

DK is not without all the blame himself. The pass defense was horrid, horrendous, terrible, awful, ugly, choose whatever words you want to use but Jettas absolutely destroyed Seattle’s secondary, at will, and Darnold was relatively in a clean pocket most of the day.

I love DK and the attention he receives from defenders but…this is spot on.

But…always a but….Geno has to recognize the route being broken as well. How many times have receivers broke routes and their QBs recognized that…and the QB didn’t make a boneheaded throw?

Definitely multiple factors at play…bad route….poor O-line…and not the best ‘IQ throw’ we’ve seen.

 

[cymatica]

But…always a but….Geno has to recognize the route being broken as well. How many times have receivers broke routes and their QBs recognized that…and the QB didn’t make a boneheaded throw?

Hearing stuff like this really frustrates me. DK hadn't made his break yet when the ball was released, it would be impossible for Geno to know if DK was going to quit the route ahead of time. That's not how the game is played. Geno has to assume his receiver will do his job and run his route and he has to throw the ball to the spot DK should be.

 

[GemCity]

Hearing stuff like this really frustrates me. DK hadn't made his break yet when the ball was released, it would be impossible for Geno to know if DK was going to quit the route ahead of time. That's not how the game is played. Geno has to assume his receiver will do his job and run his route and he has to throw the ball to the spot DK should be.

I’ll admit I was wrong on this particular play. It is a timing/route thing where DK has to be where the ball is going…not the opposite way around.

But, Geno absolutely makes some boneheaded throws. He’s sitting at 15 INTs and while a few are on the WRs, most of them are on him.

I’m way past done being a Geno apologist,

 

[Crizilla]

How was it a bad throw?

DK would probably have to reach back a bit to catch it. Might have to look at the replay again but to me the throw should have been more outside and DK should have been more outside, obviously. It was a terrible play. How these 2 aren't in sync in crunch time i dont get it

 

[kidhawk]

Explain the logic of having your backup QB throw almost 20 passes in a row behind a bottom ranked online. No team does that with their starter no matter what the score is.

Seems like most people are completely oblivious to how that helps the opposing defense and makes it harder on your own offense, for a variety of reasons. Pulling out stats in a vacuum , or saying "Geno should have thrown it away on this play", completely disregards simple things like an opposing linebacker or DE not having to worry about defending the run, they can play a tick faster because they don't have to think

I understand this is the hill you’ve chosen to die on so I’ll leave it be. Suffice it to say that as much as there is blame for Grubb if you can’t see the mistakes Geno does make then for me it’s really not worth arguing about.

Merry Christmas

 

[PeruHawk]

I said it in another post. He has stretches in games where he is disengaged.

He pulls a woolen in key moments all too often. It was the same situation in the first 9ers game. We fight back, have the ball at the end of regulation with a chance to win, and he runs a lazy route as if he isnt even expecting to be part of the play. The opening in coverage is obvious and he runs out of it.

And you could see it on his face on the sidelines that he knew he was wrong.

How many other No1 wrs in the league have cost their teams multiple victories?

Love his potential, but between the critical drops and costly errors... let him go and get someone else to take his spot.

Maybe that look was "I wish my receivers would run the route the play calls for!!!"

 

[Appyhawk]

Officials make calls they shouldn't and don't make calls they should. Defenders can forcibly alter a receiver's route. A QB doesn't always make the right read until the ball is already in the air. There are lots of things that all have to come together perfectly for a timing route to work like you hope intend for it to. But the one thing you count on is for the receiver to run his route as it is drawn and at the speed practiced over and over and over again. For a receiver to alter his route AFTER the ball has been released is a cardinal sin. Literally, because the result is that we are now relying on the Cardinals to bail is out with an unlikely win over the Rams. Such is life for an up and coming, but not there yet, team.

 

[keasley45]

Officials make calls they shouldn't and don't make calls they should. Defenders can forcibly alter a receiver's route. A QB doesn't always make the right read until the ball is already in the air. There are lots of things that all have to come together perfectly for a timing route to work like you hope intend for it to. But the one thing you count on is for the receiver to run his route as it is drawn and at the speed practiced over and over and over again. For a receiver to alter his route AFTER the ball has been released is a cardinal sin. Literally, because the result is that we are now relying on the Cardinals to bail is out with an unlikely win over the Rams. Such is life for an up and coming, but not there yet, team.

Exactly. A qb and wr can complete timing routes literally with the qb blindfolded. A 15 yard out is a 15 yard out. The qb knows if the play is there at the LOS, as does the WR. The throw to that route when you see what the defense is playing deosnt require a signal or a look. Both players know it. At that point its mostly muscle memory for the qb and hitting your mark the way you practice it as a WR.

Too many times, DK has run routes that are slow, disengaged, and altogether lazy. I cant even count the numbet of times a ball has come his way and he reacted as if he wasnt even expecting it - often drops.

 

[toffee]

Exactly. A qb and wr can complete timing routes literally with the qb blindfolded. A 15 yard out is a 15 yard out. The qb knows if the play is there at the LOS, as does the WR. The throw to that route when you see what the defense is playing deosnt require a signal or a look. Both players know it. At that point its mostly muscle memory for the qb and hitting your mark the way you practice it as a WR.

Too many times, DK has run routes that are slow, disengaged, and altogether lazy. I cant even count the numbet of times a ball has come his way and he reacted as if he wasnt even expecting it - often drops.

may be that's one of the reasons Geno throwing more and more to JSN?

 

[keasley45]

may be that's one of the reasons Geno throwing more and more to JSN?

No doubt

 

[cymatica]

I understand this is the hill you’ve chosen to die on so I’ll leave it be. Suffice it to say that as much as there is blame for Grubb if you can’t see the mistakes Geno does make then for me it’s really not worth arguing about.

Merry Christmas

I'll gladly die on the hill of common sense

 

[cymatica]

DK would probably have to reach back a bit to catch it. Might have to look at the replay again but to me the throw should have been more outside and DK should have been more outside, obviously. It was a terrible play. How these 2 aren't in sync in crunch time i dont get it

If DK ran the proper route the ball would've been right on him.

 

[Appyhawk]

If DK ran the proper route the ball would've been right on him.

Apparently one of them was in sync and DK wasn't the one.