Sherm and Roddy

[Laloosh]

You guys can say whatever you like, he was burned. No way he's trying to let Roddy get that big of a jump on him inside the red zone. Of course Sherm baits QBs but not in this case.

You can literally see him gliding slowly and then accelerate just as Ryan's eyes target White. That's a textbook Sherm play. Another step might have gotten him the INT, but Ryan can throw a bullet, and it's still a heck of a play on the ball. I really don't see how someone could look at that play as anything but a damn fine piece of defense. We're all watching the same video.

Roddy had to practically stop and wait for the ball starting at about the 1 yard line (00:21). You can literally see him slow WAY down and wait for the pass in the end zone. That's when Sherm is able to catch up and get a hand on it.

And of course you disagree, Twisted... you posted the video.

 

[jlwaters1]

You guys can say whatever you like, he was burned. No way he's trying to let Roddy get that big of a jump on him inside the red zone. Of course Sherm baits QBs but not in this case.

You can literally see him gliding slowly and then accelerate just as Ryan's eyes target White. That's a textbook Sherm play. Another step might have gotten him the INT, but Ryan can throw a bullet, and it's still a heck of a play on the ball. I really don't see how someone could look at that play as anything but a damn fine piece of defense. We're all watching the same video.

Roddy had to practically stop and wait for the ball starting at about the 1 yard line (00:21). You can literally see him slow WAY down and wait for the pass in the end zone. That's when Sherm is able to catch up and get a hand on it.

And of course you disagree, Twisted... you posted the video.

Did the WR catch the ball? No, so none of what you're saying really matters. The end result is an incomplete pass end of story. You know what they say "if's and but's...." (If Ryan would have thrown earlier-- guess what the pass rush didn't allow him to do that.)

 

[RolandDeschain]

Laloosh, I think it was intentional on Sherman's part for one reason, and one reason only. He was watching what was happening in front of him the whole time. If his head had turned at the moment Roddy started burning toward the end zone or something like that, I'd believe you, but looking at his body language it looks 100% intentional despite the size of the buffer.

How do you know Sherman wasn't leaving a large buffer on purpose because he knew the end zone was close, and Roddy would never run straight through the end zone at top speed? In other words, Sherman knew that due to the line of scrimmage being relatively close to the end zone, he knew Roddy would not go to top burner speed and maintain it; receivers don't just run straight out the back of the end zone at top speed to try and catch a pass, for obvious reasons. He knew he could still catch him because of this and left a larger buffer, is what it looks like to me.

Explain how you know it wasn't that. Specifically.

 

[Laloosh]

You guys can say whatever you like, he was burned. No way he's trying to let Roddy get that big of a jump on him inside the red zone. Of course Sherm baits QBs but not in this case.

You can literally see him gliding slowly and then accelerate just as Ryan's eyes target White. That's a textbook Sherm play. Another step might have gotten him the INT, but Ryan can throw a bullet, and it's still a heck of a play on the ball. I really don't see how someone could look at that play as anything but a damn fine piece of defense. We're all watching the same video.

Roddy had to practically stop and wait for the ball starting at about the 1 yard line (00:21). You can literally see him slow WAY down and wait for the pass in the end zone. That's when Sherm is able to catch up and get a hand on it.

And of course you disagree, Twisted... you posted the video.

hey Genius, did the WR catch the ball? No, so none of what you're saying really matters. The end result is an incomplete end of story. You know what they say "if's and but's...." (If Ryan would have thrown earlier-- guess what the pass rush didn't allow him to do that.)[/quote]

Aww, now I have to go cry myself to sleep. Why do you hurt me so?

There's a distinct difference between calling it a pass defended and calling it an example of Sherm being an elite corner. Dude's amazing but he got burned by the receiver that he's claiming isn't worthy of top 100 status. Just happened that the QB couldn't make the play.

The result of the play isn't lost on me. I was responding to the use of this particular play as an example of how wonderful Sherm is. You really nailed me though.. :th2thumbs:

 

[bestfightstory]

Laloosh, I think it was intentional on Sherman's part for one reason, and one reason only. He was watching what was happening in front of him the whole time. If his head had turned at the moment Roddy started burning toward the end zone or something like that, I'd believe you, but looking at his body language it looks 100% intentional despite the size of the buffer.

How do you know Sherman wasn't leaving a large buffer on purpose because he knew the end zone was close, and Roddy would never run straight through the end zone at top speed? In other words, Sherman knew that due to the line of scrimmage being relatively close to the end zone, he knew Roddy would not go to top burner speed and maintain it; receivers don't just run straight out the back of the end zone at top speed to try and catch a pass, for obvious reasons. He knew he could still catch him because of this and left a larger buffer, is what it looks like to me.

Explain how you know it wasn't that. Specifically.

In that case he should have intercepted it.

So you are saying he cost us the game. Dammit, Sherm!!

 

[DavidSeven]

You guys can say whatever you like, he was burned. No way he's trying to let Roddy get that big of a jump on him inside the red zone. Of course Sherm baits QBs but not in this case.

You can literally see him gliding slowly and then accelerate just as Ryan's eyes target White. That's a textbook Sherm play. Another step might have gotten him the INT, but Ryan can throw a bullet, and it's still a heck of a play on the ball. I really don't see how someone could look at that play as anything but a damn fine piece of defense. We're all watching the same video.

Roddy had to practically stop and wait for the ball starting at about the 1 yard line (00:21). You can literally see him slow WAY down and wait for the pass in the end zone. That's when Sherm is able to catch up and get a hand on it.

And of course you disagree, Twisted... you posted the video.

Right, but you're ignoring the fact that Sherman wasn't running at full speed to start the play. He was obviously watching the entire play as it developed while being mindful of his distance from White. Ryan's first read was obviously a lateral pass to his left. That play got covered by Seattle's D and Ryan went to his second read. As soon as he turned his head, Sherman accelerated toward White and made the play. I've heard Sherman say in multiple interviews that patience was the key to his success as a CB. This is probably a great example of that.

 

[Laloosh]

Right, but you're ignoring the fact that Sherman wasn't running at full speed to start the play. He was obviously watching the entire play as it developed while being mindful of his distance from White. Ryan's first read was obviously a lateral pass to his left. That play got covered by Seattle's D and Ryan went to his second read. As soon as he turned his head, Sherman accelerated toward White and made the play. I've heard Sherman say in multiple interviews that patience was the key to his success as a CB. This is probably a great example of that.

Ignoring what? Who was running at full speed to start the play? What are we arguing about?

This is exhausting. Ok, I'll just borrow from someone else and be done w/ this... "Disagree!"

 

[DavidSeven]

Right, but you're ignoring the fact that Sherman wasn't running at full speed to start the play. He was obviously watching the entire play as it developed while being mindful of his distance from White. Ryan's first read was obviously a lateral pass to his left. That play got covered by Seattle's D and Ryan went to his second read. As soon as he turned his head, Sherman accelerated toward White and made the play. I've heard Sherman say in multiple interviews that patience was the key to his success as a CB. This is probably a great example of that.

Ignoring what? Who was running at full speed to start the play? What are we arguing about?

This is exhausting. Ok, I'll just borrow from someone else and be done w/ this... "Disagree!"

I don't think what I said was particularly confusing, but I can agree to disagree on your general point.

 

[misfit]

Right, but you're ignoring the fact that Sherman wasn't running at full speed to start the play. He was obviously watching the entire play as it developed while being mindful of his distance from White. Ryan's first read was obviously a lateral pass to his left. That play got covered by Seattle's D and Ryan went to his second read. As soon as he turned his head, Sherman accelerated toward White and made the play. I've heard Sherman say in multiple interviews that patience was the key to his success as a CB. This is probably a great example of that.

Ignoring what? Who was running at full speed to start the play? What are we arguing about?

This is exhausting. Ok, I'll just borrow from someone else and be done w/ this... "Disagree!"

How long have you been watching football? You clearly don't know what you're talking about.

 

[ClumsyLurk]

Right, but you're ignoring the fact that Sherman wasn't running at full speed to start the play. He was obviously watching the entire play as it developed while being mindful of his distance from White. Ryan's first read was obviously a lateral pass to his left. That play got covered by Seattle's D and Ryan went to his second read. As soon as he turned his head, Sherman accelerated toward White and made the play. I've heard Sherman say in multiple interviews that patience was the key to his success as a CB. This is probably a great example of that.

Ignoring what? Who was running at full speed to start the play? What are we arguing about?

This is exhausting. Ok, I'll just borrow from someone else and be done w/ this... "Disagree!"

How long have you been watching football? You clearly don't know what you're talking about.

my brother, nobody outside of a few folks knows anything about football.

 

[Rocket]

It ain't about where who is on some list and it ain't about who is good, great, terrible or whatever,
It's about gettin' the opponent to think about something other than the play at hand...
Sherman is building his vacation home in Flowery Branch one brick barb at a time,
While Sharod is proving that he didn't study psychology at 'Bama.

 

[scutterhawk]

Absolutely no doubt. Sherman is getting exactly the reaction he wants from White, and come week 10 if there's a few more pass breakups and "you crazy to throw my way my brotha" finger wagging/insane implying then White will lose it.
White caught 1 pass when the ball was thrown Sherman's way... and that was a blown coverage by Kam.
The article a few weeks ago implied that Sherman "failed" just once in 11 coverage snaps against Whute.
http://presnapreads.com/2013/05/16/rich ... e-verdict/
I'm sure Sherman isn't even THINKING of White when he goes to sleep, let alone losing any

That's a really interesting article. I liked that the author responded to a comment asking about the theory that ET "makes" or allows Sherman to be as good as he is to which the author said:

I wouldn’t consider Thomas at all in evaluating Sherman. Thomas’ value is that they can play single-high safety, but it doesn’t affect Sherman’s ability to play unbelievably aggressive and effective man coverage.

Everyone seems to forget the game was FULL of plays like this. Sherman played really well.

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I hope not, Sherm didn't make that play. Ryan was late with the throw after Sherman got burned. Bad example.

Not a bad example at all, Pump fake by Ryan, and him thinking that Sherman was out of position to make a play, so as I saw it, Sherman ACTED like he was, and then ran up and batted the ball away = No Catch.
To some of Y'all, Sherman needs to let his play speak for itself, and just shut up.
Well, as I see it, Shermans play, and numbers DO speak for him, oh, and the "Sherman just needs to shut up"? all the opponents need to do, is play better than him, and ignore the distractions that he purposefully lays on them.
Off field?, show him the respect that he has worked hard for.
We don't need introverts to play Corners, or Safeties, we've already seen that shit going on for Years with the Seahawks for way too many Years.
Of course I do like the "Silent Killer" approach ( Russell Wilson :16: ), but that's the diversity that is 'THE SEAHAWKS', I wouldn't want any of them to try'n develop a phony personality, just to please some fans.

 

[scutterhawk]

You guys can say whatever you like, he was burned. No way he's trying to let Roddy get that big of a jump on him inside the red zone. Of course Sherm baits QBs but not in this case.

You can literally see him gliding slowly and then accelerate just as Ryan's eyes target White. That's a textbook Sherm play. Another step might have gotten him the INT, but Ryan can throw a bullet, and it's still a heck of a play on the ball. I really don't see how someone could look at that play as anything but a damn fine piece of defense. We're all watching the same video.

Roddy had to practically stop and wait for the ball starting at about the 1 yard line (00:21). You can literally see him slow WAY down and wait for the pass in the end zone. That's when Sherm is able to catch up and get a hand on it.

And of course you disagree, Twisted... you posted the video.

Okay, IF Ryan hadn't pump faked before throwing to White, the timing MAY have gotten them the TD, BUT, Sherman recognized that it was a "Pump Fake", and closed in to bat it down, so how again did you see him make a mistake from this video?, because, I don't know about Twisted's take on it, but Sherman made ANOTHER great play right there.

 

[Tical21]

I didn't read much of the argument and just decided to watch the video since I can't sleep. I don't know what the argument is, but that was a HORRIBLY thrown ball by Ryan. He underthrew White by 5 yards. He couldn't believe White was so open and relaxed and just lobbed it out there. 9 out of 10 times, White walks into the end zone.

It was an OUTSTANDING play by Sherman though. That is a cover-3 zone. Sherman's responsibility was the deep third on the outside. Earl Thomas is supposed to be playing deep middle but got sucked to the other side by the look Harry Douglas and Julio Jones gave. Richard Sherman isn't supposed to be anywhere near that play. He was supposed to pass White off to Earl Thomas, but since there weren't any other options coming to his side, he followed White and stayed in the play. Notice Earl popping onto the screen late on the replay.

Mad props to Sherm for making that play, but that was a blown coverage by Thomas and a horrible pass by Ryan. Sherman wasn't baiting anybody, giving cushion, anything like that, he was simply playing deep outside leverage, hustled, and took advantage of a terrible pass.

 

[frase32]

As a Niner fan I just don't get the hate some Seahawks fans have for Sherman. Makes no sense to me.

 

[MizzouHawkGal]

I would concur. I can't figure out what game they watched but it sure wasn't the one I did.

 

[-The Glove-]

As a Niner fan I just don't get the hate some Seahawks fans have for Sherman. Makes no sense to me.

I don't get it either

 

[Bakergirl]

As a Niner fan I just don't get the hate some Seahawks fans have for Sherman. Makes no sense to me.

I don't get it either

Add me to this list. I don't get it either. Why hate on a guy who has helped make our defense so successful, and he's good at what he does? Be happy with what you've got I say.

 

[Hasselbeck]

That Roddy White play is a TD vs. probably any other corner in the game aside from maybe Darrelle Revis when healthy. If you notice at the bottom of the screen, its a fake screen to Julio Jones on a 3rd and 3. The design is clearly to get the defense to bite on that while Roddy White hesitates for a moment, then runs free and clear to the end zone.

So no, Sherman wasn't "beat".. that was the play design and his closing speed and awareness of what was going on is what made that play a non-touchdown. Ryan was "late" on the throw for a reason.. to sell the screen.

 

[RolandDeschain]

As a Niner fan I just don't get the hate some Seahawks fans have for Sherman. Makes no sense to me.

Me either, man. Some of those people make me want to say things that would earn me a temporary vacation from the forum... :devil: