Seahawks Trade for NO WR Rashid Shaheed

[Pandion Haliaetus]

Ruiz might have been in play if McCoy hadn't torn his biceps (Or McCoy might have been available)

I was wondering if dangling so and so names or being aggressive in acquiring so and so was more of a ruse to light some fires under some asses.

Woolen responded by stepping up although I feel that more a byproduct of Emmanwori being an enforcer and taking those duties off of Woolen. Now with a healthy Witherspoon and hopefully Love later on, Woolen is protected and can just focus on what he does best and just take away guys without worrying about all the extra duties.

Bradford in this last game had possibly his best game as full-time starter and man-handled a really good DT in Darron Payne. As a result of being of him being more competent , Sundell and Lucas also had quality performances like we saw in PS.

So now its Mafe’s turn to come alive and step-up, if he can start hitting home on his pressures, QBs and offenses are going to be run ragged in games.

 

[sutz]

IIRC Mafe is getting a lot of pressures, as is most of our DL/pass rushers. Almost as good as sacks, as it can lead to errors and ints.

 

[Chapow]

Jamal Adams was made the highest paid defensive player in the league because Seattle didn’t have a choice.

They didn't do that because they didn't have a choice. They did that because he was coming off 3 consecutive All Pro seasons, was widely considered one of the best defensive players in the league at the time, was still very young and just entering his prime, and because that's what it costs to sign a player of that caliber.

Now, obviously that didn't work out for us, but at the time there were no reasons to believe that he was going to get injured and then subsequently fall off a cliff and become a shell of the 3 time All Pro he was when they signed him to that deal.

Regardless, a 4th and a 5th isn't even close to the same ballpark as 2 firsts and a 3rd. They're not going to panic and massively overpay a guy over 2 mid round draft picks in a weak draft class. The best "leverage" his agent can hope for is that he comes here and plays incredibly well for the rest of the season, but if that happens, it was probably worth it for us even if they don't re-sign him.

 

[FortWorthSeahawk]

Not to get way optimistic, as that is Soulfish's job, but Rashid's ceiling is a faster John Taylor type. When defenses keyed in on Jerry Rice, Taylor just ate up yards and destroyed single coverage. Also was quite the kick/punt returner in his own right.

For a 4th and a 5th, this is a pretty good pickup.

 

[Rat]

From the Saints perspective, I get trying to acquire more picks when you're in a clear rebuild, and Shaheed likely bolts at the end of the year anyway, but at the same time, it's difficult to evaluate what you have with Shough if he doesn't have anyone to throw to. I could see either way with them.

 

[Double Tribble]

Not for the first time (more like the 100th time), I will say that I feel that acquiring him is :

1.) Insurance in case Kupp gets more hobbled
2.) Protection for Horton so as he's not too pressured in his rookie year to be WR2

I feel like this pick is insurance for Kupp, and to take pressure off Horton. What do you think?

 

[Rat]

Disagree.

On what?


On the "I imagine he'll be our #3" part.

Considering the uncertainty with Kupp's health, I think he'll be our #2 with his experience and explosiveness.

Plus he'll take some of the pressure off of not only JSN but also Horton in his rookie season.

I meant more like schematically he'd be our #3, but I could see him being our second-most productive wideout. Like Montana mentioned, Horton hasn't been used a ton in between the 20s yet.

 

[Trackhawk]

This is the equivalent of getting a replacement right guard. Defenses can’t go single high, shade everyone toward JSN, anymore.

I think this will have a far bigger impact on the running game than on the overall stats in the passing game.

 

[glenwo2]

I feel like this pick is insurance for Kupp, and to take pressure off Horton. What do you think?

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[NoGain]

Not sweating the picks in the least. Right now we have...

1st Rounder
2nd Rounder
3rd Rounder
6th Rounder

We could recoup some draft capital if we lose either Mafe, Woolen, or both to FAcy, if I'm not mistaken. From there, JS can just do his trade-down-thing and recoup one or more additional picks. Covered.

 

[pittpnthrs]

I understand the trade as its good depth and insurance with Kupp hurt as usual. I haven't read anything about the trade, but man do I hope we get one of those picks back at the end of the season.

I looked up his career stats and he's averaged around 450 yards and 3 or 4 TD's a season with only starting about half the games. That's on par with most #2's around the league. Not mad at the trade and admit to not knowing anything about the guy at all except for what I looked up.

 

[Rat]

Not sweating the picks in the least. Right now we have...

1st Rounder
2nd Rounder
3rd Rounder
6th Rounder

We could recoup some draft capital if we lose either Mafe, Woolen, or both to FAcy, if I'm not mistaken. From there, JS can just do his trade-down-thing and recoup one or more additional picks. Covered.

Those would be for the following draft, not the next one.

 

[hangumhi]

I feel like this pick is insurance for Kupp, and to take pressure off Horton. What do you think?

It's a cover 2 killer.

 

[seabowl]

They didn't do that because they didn't have a choice. They did that because he was coming off 3 consecutive All Pro seasons, was widely considered one of the best defensive players in the league at the time, was still very young and just entering his prime, and because that's what it costs to sign a player of that caliber.

Now, obviously that didn't work out for us, but at the time there were no reasons to believe that he was going to get injured and then subsequently fall off a cliff and become a shell of the 3 time All Pro he was when they signed him to that deal.

Regardless, a 4th and a 5th isn't even close to the same ballpark as 2 firsts and a 3rd. They're not going to panic and massively overpay a guy over 2 mid round draft picks in a weak draft class. The best "leverage" his agent can hope for is that he comes here and plays incredibly well for the rest of the season, but if that happens, it was probably worth it for us even if they don't re-sign him.

That is certainly part of it, but having given up two first round picks for the guy gives them no choice whatsoever other than to pay him by far the highest amount versus anybody else. That’s why you negotiate the renegotiation of the contract BEFORE the trade. That was my whole and entire issue with this trade Nothing else.

 

[NoGain]

Those would be for the following draft, not the next one.

Oh...brain fart. Then JS can just do his trade down thing more. We've all seen him acquire multiple picks from trading down.

 

[Raifers]

It's a steep price for a rental at a position we don't need. Sure, we aren't forced to re-sign him, but it looks like a foolish trade if we don't, or if he doesn't perform at a level where we'd want him back.
Why not use one of those picks to trade for an upgrade at C or RG, and the other pick to bolster the WR group?

Too much risk, not enough reward.
D+

Uh I don’t understand why they need to be resigned right away or even if needed after the season?

See a lot of people say it’s not worth it as a rental. But what if we win the Super Bowl? Is it worth it then?

As for signing an extension right away, how well did that work out for the Broncos and what’s his face?

And you could probably sign them to an extension now, but if they out perform, they’ll just hold out.

My oh my so many scenarios to prepare for. So many what ifs. There’s also a what if Horton develops well and they don’t need to resign him if he’s asking too much. They cut bait with DK and geno so I’m sure it will work out fine whether or not he sticks around after this season.

 

[Appyhawk]

If this wasn't an impactful deal for us to make, would it have been fodder for 13 page thread in half the day of the trade?
This one guy has enough to offer that he can effect our team in multiple ways and at multiple positions. Versatility is a high priority on this roster.

 

[Chapow]

That is certainly part of it, but having given up two first round picks for the guy gives them no choice whatsoever other than to pay him by far the highest amount versus anybody else. That’s why you negotiate the renegotiation of the contract BEFORE the trade. That was my whole and entire issue with this trade Nothing else.

Adams was coming off his 3rd consecutive All Pro season in just his 4th year in the league. He was going to get a massive contract regardless. We have no idea if the Seahawks gave him by far more than anyone else would have or not.

 

[glenwo2]

 

[Hawkpower]

Jamal Adams was made the highest paid defensive player in the league because Seattle didn’t have a choice.

Two firsts is not the same as a pair of day 3 picks