Seahawks Keep Swinging and Missing on Veteran Cornerbacks

[Jville]

I know there are those who enjoy making great sport out of calling out the front office. So I'll toss a little chum into the waters this morning ......

Ditching Ahkello Witherspoon, Seahawks Keep Swinging and Missing on Veteran Cornerbacks >>> [urltargetblank]https://www.si.com/nfl/seahawks/news/ditching-ahkello-witherspoon-seahawks-keep-swinging-and-missing-on-veteran-cornerbacks[/urltargetblank]

 

[Grahamhawker]

They didn't mention Coleman or Reed being fairly recent winners. We obviously need to stick to signing vets with little notoriety. Hopefully Jones fits.

 

[knownone]

I've always felt this was a relatively lazy take. We've had a handful of guys come in and contribute that were not groomed in the system. The narrative also keeps changing. At first, veterans couldn't learn the kick step, which is clearly not the case with Witherspoon, who played in the same system. Now it's just veterans, which I feel could be argued at every position.

The real issue is that Seattle rarely invests significant capital at the cornerback position. Like, even Cary Williams was paid as a fringe #2 corner when we signed him. It's not like they are missing on guys like Ramsey or Gilmore.

 

[hawk45]

I've always felt this was a relatively lazy take. We've had a handful of guys come in and contribute that were not groomed in the system. The narrative also keeps changing. At first, veterans couldn't learn the kick step, which is clearly not the case with Witherspoon, who played in the same system. Now it's just veterans, which I feel could be argued at every position.

The real issue is that Seattle rarely invests significant capital at the cornerback position. Like, even Cary Williams was paid as a fringe #2 corner when we signed him. It's not like they are missing on guys like Ramsey or Gilmore.

Ramsey or Gilmore wouldn’t take skill to get, just the willingness to kill the cap. The take is quite right that in the area of identifying veteran talent at the QB position that aren’t sure things, the FO has struggled.

If the criteria is that you only hit on vets when you give up a ton for sure thing beasts then I could be an nfl GM.

 

[knownone]

I've always felt this was a relatively lazy take. We've had a handful of guys come in and contribute that were not groomed in the system. The narrative also keeps changing. At first, veterans couldn't learn the kick step, which is clearly not the case with Witherspoon, who played in the same system. Now it's just veterans, which I feel could be argued at every position.

The real issue is that Seattle rarely invests significant capital at the cornerback position. Like, even Cary Williams was paid as a fringe #2 corner when we signed him. It's not like they are missing on guys like Ramsey or Gilmore.

Ramsey or Gilmore wouldn’t take skill to get, just the willingness to kill the cap. The take is quite right that in the area of identifying veteran talent at the QB position that aren’t sure things, the FO has struggled.

If the criteria is that you only hit on vets when you give up a ton for sure thing beasts then I could be an nfl GM.

You've misunderstood my analysis. We could literally write this article about almost every position if the premise is low-cost veteran players not working out at position X.

The criteria should be whether or not you find players who can contribute. It shouldn't matter if they are veterans or not, particularly when the Seahawks don't even invest moderate value at the cornerback position. Like, we're bargain-basement shopping, and people are writing articles about these basement-level guys not working out. That is why this take is non-sensical. It doesn't hold up against a modest level of scrutiny.

 

[hawk45]

I've always felt this was a relatively lazy take. We've had a handful of guys come in and contribute that were not groomed in the system. The narrative also keeps changing. At first, veterans couldn't learn the kick step, which is clearly not the case with Witherspoon, who played in the same system. Now it's just veterans, which I feel could be argued at every position.

The real issue is that Seattle rarely invests significant capital at the cornerback position. Like, even Cary Williams was paid as a fringe #2 corner when we signed him. It's not like they are missing on guys like Ramsey or Gilmore.

Ramsey or Gilmore wouldn’t take skill to get, just the willingness to kill the cap. The take is quite right that in the area of identifying veteran talent at the QB position that aren’t sure things, the FO has struggled.

If the criteria is that you only hit on vets when you give up a ton for sure thing beasts then I could be an nfl GM.

You've misunderstood my analysis. We could literally write this article about almost every position if the premise is low-cost veteran players not working out at position X.

The criteria should be whether or not you find players who can contribute. It shouldn't matter if they are veterans or not, particularly when the Seahawks don't even invest moderate value at the cornerback position. Like, we're bargain-basement shopping, and people are writing articles about these basement-level guys not working out. That is why this take is non-sensical. It doesn't hold up against a modest level of scrutiny.

Hey, we definitely agree that if they find good corners then it doesn’t matter whether it’s draft or FA.

I think if they hit just once at the level of, say, mcdougald, or diggs at corner then the narrative would go away. Those were not Ramsey tier players but they were and are fantastic value, in fact there are times I wonder if I wouldn’t have preferred mcdougald and draft picks over Adams, as good as Adams is.

And Cary Williams was very high profile in that he came in installed as the starter making more than young drafted players who were actually better, and Williams was SO bad. So the impact on the narrative is high, understandably.

 

[Chukarhawk]

Sidney Jones is going to blow the league away. Watch. you heard it here first.

 

[oldhawkfan]

I've always felt this was a relatively lazy take. We've had a handful of guys come in and contribute that were not groomed in the system. The narrative also keeps changing. At first, veterans couldn't learn the kick step, which is clearly not the case with Witherspoon, who played in the same system. Now it's just veterans, which I feel could be argued at every position.

The real issue is that Seattle rarely invests significant capital at the cornerback position. Like, even Cary Williams was paid as a fringe #2 corner when we signed him. It's not like they are missing on guys like Ramsey or Gilmore.

Ramsey or Gilmore wouldn’t take skill to get, just the willingness to kill the cap. The take is quite right that in the area of identifying veteran talent at the QB position that aren’t sure things, the FO has struggled.

If the criteria is that you only hit on vets when you give up a ton for sure thing beasts then I could be an nfl GM.

You've misunderstood my analysis. We could literally write this article about almost every position if the premise is low-cost veteran players not working out at position X.

The criteria should be whether or not you find players who can contribute. It shouldn't matter if they are veterans or not, particularly when the Seahawks don't even invest moderate value at the cornerback position. Like, we're bargain-basement shopping, and people are writing articles about these basement-level guys not working out. That is why this take is non-sensical. It doesn't hold up against a modest level of scrutiny.

Hey, we definitely agree that if they find good corners then it doesn’t matter whether it’s draft or FA.

I think if they hit just once at the level of, say, mcdougald, or diggs at corner then the narrative would go away. Those were not Ramsey tier players but they were and are fantastic value, in fact there are times I wonder if I wouldn’t have preferred mcdougald and draft picks over Adams, as good as Adams is.

And Cary Williams was very high profile in that he came in installed as the starter making more than young drafted players who were actually better, and Williams was SO bad. So the impact on the narrative is high, understandably.

In Pete’s tenure, he has had moderate to great success at acquiring and developing players for CB position. I would rather, that the generally perceived weakness of the team(cb), is the number one area that he has had the most consistent
stretch of successes with, than have him messing with a part of team development that he really sucks at.

 

[hawks85]

Sidney Jones is going to blow the league away. Watch. you heard it here first.

If he can stay healthy then maybe

 

[toffee]

Ramsey or Gilmore wouldn’t take skill to get, just the willingness to kill the cap. The take is quite right that in the area of identifying veteran talent at the QB position that aren’t sure things, the FO has struggled.

If the criteria is that you only hit on vets when you give up a ton for sure thing beasts then I could be an nfl GM.

You've misunderstood my analysis. We could literally write this article about almost every position if the premise is low-cost veteran players not working out at position X.

The criteria should be whether or not you find players who can contribute. It shouldn't matter if they are veterans or not, particularly when the Seahawks don't even invest moderate value at the cornerback position. Like, we're bargain-basement shopping, and people are writing articles about these basement-level guys not working out. That is why this take is non-sensical. It doesn't hold up against a modest level of scrutiny.

Hey, we definitely agree that if they find good corners then it doesn’t matter whether it’s draft or FA.

I think if they hit just once at the level of, say, mcdougald, or diggs at corner then the narrative would go away. Those were not Ramsey tier players but they were and are fantastic value, in fact there are times I wonder if I wouldn’t have preferred mcdougald and draft picks over Adams, as good as Adams is.

And Cary Williams was very high profile in that he came in installed as the starter making more than young drafted players who were actually better, and Williams was SO bad. So the impact on the narrative is high, understandably.

In Pete’s tenure, he has had moderate to great success at acquiring and developing players for CB position. I would rather, that the generally perceived weakness of the team(cb), is the number one area that he has had the most consistent
stretch of successes with, than have him messing with a part of team development that he really sucks at.

Pete had good record developing CBs, until he signed Griffin and flowers, Pete is in a free fall ever since.

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[Somos doces]

Sidney Jones is going to blow the league away. Watch. you heard it here first.

What's your definition of "blow(ing) the league away"?

 

[Appyhawk]

It's pretty tough to go shopping for high priced corners when your roster includes Wilson, Wagner, Adams, DK, Lockett, Carson, etc, etc. If you mean they haven't invested a lot of draft capital at that position you may have a solid point, although Brown on a rookie deal looks like an upcoming prize to me. We have paid a lot to specific corners in the past.