Seahawks Hire Klint Kubiak as OC

[Seahawk_Dan]

Kubiak comes in as OC

I imagine he'll have full, or most control in creating an entire offensive staff with feedback from Macdonald and Schneider. This probably means he'll pick at the corpse of the NO staff, or considering his family connections with the NFL he'll garner interest from different coaches looking to jump ship to a (hopefully) greener pasture.

Look for John Benton, Offensive Line Coach for the Saints to be one that would most likely come over.

I thought maybe his brother Klay would come over, as he was a QB Coach but he is currently the OC for the 49ers (I imagine it's a tough job getting Shanahan's coffee every morning).

But I'd expect to hear names from the connections he's made with the 49ers, Vikings, and Broncos.

 

[chris98251]

He runs a off shoot of the 49er intermediate passing attack along with Gibbs Zone blocking running scheme that got Davis all those yards. So ideally some semblance of that offensive mindset.

 

[toffee]

I remember when John Elway was injured and OUT for a Seahawks vs. Broncos game. It was like, "No Elway, we'll finally beat Denver, they are down to their backup QB!" Then the game started, and Gary Kubiak proceeded to shred the Hawks to the point I'd just as soon have had Elway in there.

I didn't really follow Gary Kubiak's coaching career, but he did coach the Broncos to a victory in SB50, the Cam Newton fumble game, and had lots of success in general. If son Klint picked up any of dad Gary's knowledge of football and winning tradition and coaching tree braintrust knowledge, I'm in.

So, here's hoping the apple falls close to the tree and Klint Kubiak works magic in Seattle.

Too bad knowledge couldn't hardcoded onto something that could be transferable via sperm.

 

[TraderGary]

Too bad knowledge couldn't hardcoded onto something that could be transferable via sperm.

Maybe a chip placed in the brain? Perhaps we could talk to the scientists at "Severance" Actually I guess that would be "Lumon Industries".

 

[TraderGary]

There are some potential red flags in his play calling that I've seen that could be worrisome, but none of it relates to how well Geno fits (or doesn't) in his system.

Would you mind elaborating on that last statement?

 

[TraderGary]

Short but interesting read from SB Nation.....

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/ot...S&cvid=043676592b1a4810a65d61f3fccca828&ei=10

Makes me feel a little better about the hire, particularly the portion where it talks about the motion and play-action style he likes to employ. And I know he likes to move the pocket which is great when you're weak up front. Never understood why Grubb hardly did this, if ever.

 

[DarkVictory23]

Would you mind elaborating on that last statement?

Well, for example, one of the biggest issues I had with Grubb was how often he'd lose an intermediate route in his planning. It'd be 3 deep shots and a checkdown (usually to the flat). It's a big problem when your line can't hold up because it removes the emergency button from the QB.

A lot of people think checkdowns are the 'emergency' button, but those are the 'nobody is open' emergency button, not the 'I've got to get the ball out of my hands fast' emergency button.

Kubiak doesn't ignore those intermediate routes, but on a lot of plays (at least what I've watched so far of the Saints last year), his RB is the intermediate/emergency button route. Basically, the RB runs right up the gut, chips a defender on his way if necessary, and then immediately turns to face the QB at that medium distance.

Fine when it works (especially because Kamara is pretty dangerous as a receiver) but when that chip ends up being an engagement or the RB gets tripped up, then either the intermediate route gets there too late or not at all. Then you are back to 3 long developing routes and nowhere to go with the ball in the meantime.

 

[Shane Falco]

I look at this hire kind of like how you would look at a draft prospect. He's got a higher floor but maybe not as much ceiling. Which is fine with me. I wasn't ready to gamble again on one of the guys that haven't called plays in the NFL before. And even then, he could surprise with more experience and exceed expectations after a season or two. I am also not so sure we really missed out on anyone else either.

 

[olyfan63]

Too bad knowledge couldn't hardcoded onto something that could be transferable via sperm.

Somehow Kyle Shanahan picked up a bunch of dad Mike Shanahan's coaching skills. Except for winning the big one.
Marty Schottenheimber, we got son Brian Schottenheimer.
My point was more that players and coaches who grow up with NFL greatness in their family can be a little better bet than average to succeed at that level.
DK Metcalf, Tyler Lockett for example.

I hope Jr. (Klint) picked up on a few coaching/playing/scheming things from his dad, and brings the best of them to the Seahawks as the OC. Grubb was out of his element. Like Pete Carroll, Klint was a DB in his playing career.

 

[keasley45]

If you wanna hear the take of a former WR who played here briefly. Brian Walters talks about DK, our wrs, Kubiak our QB and a few other topics in a pretty insightful interview on Brock and Salk.

The stuff he says about Geno SHOULD make eveyone feel good, given the dude is obviously a Hawks fan, watches them often, and knows the game at a much deeper level than 99% of fans. But, it likely wont more the needle if your mind is made up.

 

[DarkVictory23]

I look at this hire kind of like how you would look at a draft prospect. He's got a higher floor but maybe not as much ceiling. Which is fine with me. I wasn't ready to gamble again on one of the guys that haven't called plays in the NFL before. And even then, he could surprise with more experience and exceed expectations after a season or two. I am also not so sure we really missed out on anyone else either.

I agree with this, though I think Kubiak's ceiling is 'TBD'.

That said, like you, a high floor guy is what I wanted and being someone who won't need to be handheld through the process of being an NFL OC.

The networks and connections he's going to bring to the table is just icing on the cake for me. (Also, his first season on a coaching staff in the NFL, Leslie Frazier was his head coach.)

 

[Passepartout]

Hope he will help the offense in particular Geno to take it up the next level. Just give Klint a chance. Good luck! Welcome to Seattle.

 

[Spin Doctor]

I have mixed feelings here, but honestly I'm not too worried. He has a much better grasp on the pro-game than Grubb did. I liked what I saw early in the season with the Saints, the free fall has me a bit worried but I can't speak intelligently about the causes.

 

[m0ng0]

Welcome sir, buy some noise canceling headphones pronto

 

[TraderGary]

Well, for example, one of the biggest issues I had with Grubb was how often he'd lose an intermediate route in his planning. It'd be 3 deep shots and a checkdown (usually to the flat). It's a big problem when your line can't hold up because it removes the emergency button from the QB.

A lot of people think checkdowns are the 'emergency' button, but those are the 'nobody is open' emergency button, not the 'I've got to get the ball out of my hands fast' emergency button.

Kubiak doesn't ignore those intermediate routes, but on a lot of plays (at least what I've watched so far of the Saints last year), his RB is the intermediate/emergency button route. Basically, the RB runs right up the gut, chips a defender on his way if necessary, and then immediately turns to face the QB at that medium distance.

Fine when it works (especially because Kamara is pretty dangerous as a receiver) but when that chip ends up being an engagement or the RB gets tripped up, then either the intermediate route gets there too late or not at all. Then you are back to 3 long developing routes and nowhere to go with the ball in the meantime.

Appreciate the explanation.

For me personally, I've always thought of checkdowns as the 'nobody is open emergency button' and the 'I've got to get the ball out of my hands emergency button' as one in the same. Not sure how you can differentiate the two. The reason he has to get the ball out of his hands fast is because no one is open and the pass rushers are in his face.

Well ok, I suppose in a blitz situation or a free rusher coming through the line because someone missed a block would be your definition of 'I've got to get the ball out of my hands fast emergency button', versus not finding anyone open. I understand now where you're coming from, thanks.

 

[JPatera76]

Holy shit some of you are just …. Miserable, I have never seen this place at just a constantly all time low of just constant negativity, that’s shit is so f’n exhausting. Even after a 10-7 season most of y’all still wanna whine about every little thing. No wonder so many GOOD posters have left or resorted to just creeping. z

I’m happy with the hire, I’m not the GM, I’m not some Vegas stat nerd, I’m a simple man who watches football on tv.

Also.. I’m not necessarily surprised to see the negative Nancie’s here are also the same ones with love boners for PC, PC going back to coaching but for the Raiders (I’m sure your all tugging yourselves to have a moment of “TOLD YOU SO!” For some stupid reason.) and definitely tug yourselves to McVay.

At least I’ll give credit to @John63 dude left when his favorite player left and followed him.

 

[MontanaHawk05]

Holy shit some of you are just …. Miserable, I have never seen this place at just a constantly all time low of just constant negativity, that’s shit is so f’n exhausting. Even after a 10-7 season most of y’all still wanna whine about every little thing. No wonder so many GOOD posters have left or resorted to just creeping. z

I’m happy with the hire, I’m not the GM, I’m not some Vegas stat nerd, I’m a simple man who watches football on tv.

Also.. I’m not necessarily surprised to see the negative Nancie’s here are also the same ones with love boners for PC, PC going back to coaching but for the Raiders (I’m sure your all tugging yourselves to have a moment of “TOLD YOU SO!” For some stupid reason.) and definitely tug yourselves to McVay.

At least I’ll give credit to @John63 dude left when his favorite player left and followed him.

I don't have to apologize to you for any of my opinions. Nor does anyone else.

 

[nwHawk]

Just watched the Saints @ Cowboys game. Love the full back usage. Lots of 12 personnel. The one INT that Carr threw was a pass that hit his receiver square is both hands.

Saints attacked the Cowboys and just kept punching them in the mouth. Make that happen here!

 

[bileever]

I don't see the discussion here about Klint Kubiak as necessarily negative. I think we're all just trying to figure out who he is and what his hire will mean for this team.

I don't see Kubiak's hire as a slam dunk, but I do feel positive about many aspects of his career. First, he's had experience as an OC for two teams. Second, he's learned from a lot of good people, including his dad and Kyle Shanahan. (He's also witnessed a lot of failure and bad coaching, and that can be a good thing.) Third, he's a leader--he was the captain of the Colorado State football team as a senior.

I think his experience, his understanding of modern concepts and relative youth puts him ahead of where Ryan Grubb was.

 

[Seahawker]

If JS fixes the offensive line and these two guys stay healthy, then Kubiak will be fine. I'm not expecting any marked offensive improvement unless the IOL is upgraded. A good run game can be a playcallers best friend and keep a defense fresh.