Russell Wilson Retires

[MD5eahawks]

A big thank you to Russ for all he did with the Hawks. He truly was a magician at times as well as clutch.

 

[Rat]

He was great before Russell Wilson became Russell Wilson Corp.

 

[Ozzy]

I also saw this:

Wilson is the only player in NFL history with at least 30 touchdown passes and fewer than 15 interceptions in four straight seasons. He also had three seasons with at least 30 TD passes and 500 yards rushing, which is the most in NFL history.

But there's a lot of counter arguments to be made, like no SB MVP and not only no league MVPs, but not even a single vote for one. Plus, toss in the fact that he was never selected as a first team All Pro selection and it's a strong indication that many people consider him a 2nd tier QB. Then comes the career ending belly flop.

Russell definitely belongs in the HOF conversation as we've both posted good arguments for his inclusion, but you're outing yourself if you don't think he's a HOF QB? Come on, my friend. You know better.

Those counter arguments are odd tho. No Super Bowl mvps? How many hall of fame QBs don’t have one? A few do. I hate the votes argument because everyone agrees he was robbed of at least one mvp outright. Everyone. The end of career if you look at the end of every QBs career I would argue his stats are better than most in that regard. It just feels like certain arguments get thrown around and no one bothers to look at them. End of career collapse? His last three years he had a 45/15 touchdown to int ratio. And a passer rating north of 90. What are we doing here? lol

 

[Cyrus12]

I got to say thanks to Russ...we dont win our last super bowl had he been here!

 

[RiverDog]

Those counter arguments are odd tho. No Super Bowl mvps? How many hall of fame QBs don’t have one? A few do. I hate the votes argument because everyone agrees he was robbed of at least one mvp outright. Everyone. The end of career if you look at the end of every QBs career I would argue his stats are better than most in that regard. It just feels like certain arguments get thrown around and no one bothers to look at them. End of career collapse? His last three years he had a 45/15 touchdown to int ratio. And a passer rating north of 90. What are we doing here? lol

Most of those QB's in the modern era that made the HOF without an MVP award had something else extraordinary about their resumes. For example, Dan Marino finished his career as the all time passing yardage leader. Warren Moon had a career in the CFL as well as breaking the color barrier for NFL QB's. Jim Kelly took his team to a SB in 4 consecutive seasons. Troy Aikman played for America's Team (sarcasm intended). But your point is well taken. The fact that Russell never won an MVP is not a disqualifying criterion. It probably wouldn't be that big if a deal if he had gotten at least a single vote.

As far as your complaint about the MVP voting process goes, it's completely irrelevant. The voting results are an undeniable fact and is a direct reflection on his popularity amongst the types of people who will be casting votes for the HOF. Is it fair? Maybe, maybe not. It doesn't matter. It is what it is.

I'll have to give you credit for defending the belly flop. Too bad for Russell that the coaches he played for during that period of time, in particular Sean Payton, who ate twice as much dead money than the next most expensive player cut just to get rid of him, or Mike Kafka, the Giants coach who demoted Russell below Teddy Bridgewater on the depth chart, saw it differently.

If Russell makes the HOF, I'll gladly buy you a beer and admit that I was wrong. It wouldn't be the first time.

 

[Spin Doctor]

Russ is not a HOFer. No MVP, no first team all pros.

He has a ring but the narrative behind the ring is a historical defense and Marshawn Lynch.

His second Super Bowl ended with him turning the ball over in the waning minutes of the Super Bowl.

The Seahawks under Wilson would go on to not have great playoff success after the LOB was dismantled.

In addition to that he became a meme on the broncos.

You can point to his career numbers but also realize he played in a league that was easier to pass in as well.

 

[Rat]

Those counter arguments are odd tho. No Super Bowl mvps? How many hall of fame QBs don’t have one? A few do. I hate the votes argument because everyone agrees he was robbed of at least one mvp outright. Everyone. The end of career if you look at the end of every QBs career I would argue his stats are better than most in that regard. It just feels like certain arguments get thrown around and no one bothers to look at them. End of career collapse? His last three years he had a 45/15 touchdown to int ratio. And a passer rating north of 90. What are we doing here? lol

"Everyone agrees he was robbed of at least one MVP outright. Everyone." Who is everyone? Clearly not anyone in the media because lots of them have votes and they obviously didn't vote for him. Show me anything from anyone who isn't a Seahawks fan saying he was robbed of an MVP. Shouldn't be difficult for you to find since "everyone" agrees.

Then you say arguments get thrown around and no one bothers to look at them. Weird, because I've brought up multiple times why certain stats like QB rating in comparison to former greats is misleading, but you ignored them. You won't address the lack of All-Pros, probably since it doesn't help his case. You still won't tell us which modern inductees his stats "dwarf".

And if his last three years were so good, why did all three of the teams he was on willfully move on from him, including one which took a record dead cap hit to pay him to play for another team?

 

[pmedic920]

I see people continue to fail in understanding the difference between a discussion thread and an appreciation thread.

I tried.

 

[pmedic920]

So what's wrong with "Congrats Russell on Retirement!"? Is that too long?

I agree that everyone should read the OP and I always do. But what's the purpose of a thread title if not to give an accurate description of the intended topic?

I also disagree that threads can be limited to positive comments only. So long as they meet the general forum guidelines, who cares if they're positive or negative?

If I started a thread with an OP that said "Rosie O'Donnell is beautiful", should I be allowed to tell people who think she's ugly that they can't post their opinion in the thread?

Give it a rest PLEASE, just move along and allow the thread to be what it’s intended to be.

If you want to rant about thread titles feel free to start a thread about that.
Shack or lounge would be be appropriate forums depending on how freely you want to speak.

 

[chrispy]

Is Pete a HOF coach? I'd argue, whether yes or no, his last season doesn't help his case. He did a lot to change the game. If RCW goes to the HOF, (in my mind) it's hard to argue Pete shouldn't go. ...and I don't see it. Same trajectory up and then down. Same success, for a short time. To me, they're both on the outside. But, I think the final outcome has to be the same for both. That's just me and I don't know how Peate measures up against other hof coaches.

 

[FrodosFinger]

I mean we all know he stank ass big time for the last 5 or 6 years of his career but a lot of that came after Frodo Baggins Wilson wrenched his finger sideways. Frodo's finger was basically attached by skin it was grotesque looking. His poor play was followed up by throwing severely teammates under the bus instead of taking accountability for his pop warner play on the field. The muthafuka cost us at least 2 rings. Glad he won one but it was our defense that did all that. He'll go down in history as the biggest choke artist in league history all because of his finger and the aftermath

 

[Rat]

Is Pete a HOF coach? I'd argue, whether yes or no, his last season doesn't help his case. He did a lot to change the game. If RCW goes to the HOF, (in my mind) it's hard to argue Pete shouldn't go. ...and I don't see it. Same trajectory up and then down. Same success, for a short time. To me, they're both on the outside. But, I think the final outcome has to be the same for both. That's just me and I don't know how Peate measures up against other hof coaches.

I think Pete is more likely than not. I don't see one poor season in his 70s for a franchise that's been a disaster for two decades completely does him in. Aside from Belichick, who we all know is getting in, the only HOF eligible coaches with more wins that aren't in are Marty Schottenheimer, Chuck Knox, and Dan Reeves, and none of those guys have a championship, while Pete was the defensive architect of an iconic defense.

I'd consider him more deserving than Dungy or Cowher, but I thought Holmgren should have made it too, so who knows.

 

[m0ng0]

Adios amigo, you are the luckiest little leprechaun I've ever seen.