Sam

[Natethegreat]

Ok, fair enough. I thought we were talking about Geno on the Seahawks last season vs Darnold on the Seahawks this season.

Gotcha, I think thats were some of this confusion is from.

 

[hox]

Ok, well the stats I posted are awfully basic. Yards, TD's, turnovers. Are you disputing that the stats I posted are incorrect? If so, please feel free to correct them, including links.

I'm actually not that interested in this Sam vs Geno debate TBH. With Geno, we are not 14-3 with the #1 seed.

Just pointing out in general that there are better data sources out there.

 

[Ozzy]

Also according to stat muse, the source you brought up, Geno played in 17 games last season, Darnold played in 17 games this season. If I remember correctly, there were, what? 2 games Geno didn't finish? I just went through the game logs from last season and there was only 1 game he had less than 20 pass attempts, and he had 19 in that game.

Can you be a little more specific what you mean by Geno was much less productive, and Sam was massively more productive? Because here is what I'm seeing.

Geno with the Seahawks in 2024. 4320 passing yards, 272 rushing yards, 21 passing TD's, 2 rushing TD's.

Darnold with the Seahawks in 2025. 4048 passing yards, 95 rushing yards, 25 passing TD's, 0 rushing TD's.

So we have Geno last season with 4592 yards, 23 TD's, 15 turnovers.
Darnold this season with 4143yards, 25 TD's, 20 turnovers.

That sure doesn't look like one guy was massively more productive than the other to me.

I can bring all the advanced stats but I think you have your mine made up. Darnold is massively better this year than Geno was last year and its not remotely close. If you truly care, I don't think you do, then sure we can dig into the deeper stats and see who was better. Usage volume stats when he had a much higher passing volume and a freebie week 17 where Rams gave Geno 4 touchdowns don't move the needle for me. You're also ignoring multiple blowout games where Darnold is shut down early hence the near league low passing volume numbers. Weird you know this but don't mention it because you have a Geno agenda.

People still clinging to Geno are wild to me....The guy was terrible last year.

 

[Ozzy]

Keasley's long post was comparing the last 2 years worth of turnovers for both players. Ozzy responded disputing the numbers.
Then made the point that the to's are close but the tds are not.

I already said this multiple times and he ignored me. I also mentioned the 60 touchdowns to 40 touchdowns but apparently those are close too in Chapaws eyes. I'm confused.

 

[Natethegreat]

I can bring all the advanced stats but I think you have your mine made up. Darnold is massively better this year than Geno was last year and its not remotely close. If you truly care, I don't think you do, then sure we can dig into the deeper stats and see who was better. Usage volume stats when he had a much higher passing volume and a freebie week 17 where Rams gave Geno 4 touchdowns don't move the needle for me. You're also ignoring multiple blowout games where Darnold is shut down early hence the near league low passing volume numbers. Weird you know this but don't mention it because you have a Geno agenda.

People still clinging to Geno are wild to me....The guy was terrible last year.

I don't think Chapow is a Geno fan. Just was joining the debate over the turnovers. Keasley is the hold out Geno guy lol. Old habits die hard I guess.

 

[Natethegreat]

I personally was not big on Darnold. I thought he was a younger Geno. I understood the signing though.
I have been won over this year. He makes winning plays. He has done it all year and last year. He also makes dumb plays at times. Cut those out and I think we can win a super bowl with him at the helm.

 

[hawkfan68]

Grubb was a super pass happy offense. Kubiak is more balanced / run centric. Apples and oranges.

Put Geno in that overtime drive vs the Rams, and we're probably taking an L there.

Also, Stat Muse is not a reliable data source.

If Smith was in that Rams game, it doesn't even go to overtime. Seahawks would have lost being down by 16 points.

 

[Natethegreat]

If Smith was in that Rams game, it doesn't even go to overtime. Seahawks would have lost being down by 16 points.

Agree 100% no way are we winning that game with Geno behind center. Darnold has what it takes to win. He has proven that imo.

 

[hawkfan68]

I'm a Sam Darnold convert, but I would say in Geno's defense that it's unfair to compare Geno's production over the last two years to Sam's. Last year, Geno played in a horrible offensive scheme designed by Ryan Grubb with the worst O-line in the NFL. This year, Geno played again with the league's worst offensive line and another OC who got fired.

If Geno comes to the line of scrimmage next year on whatever team he's on, and he sees "FORSYTHE" on the back of a jersey, he should just head to the locker room.

I agree with most of this. However, Geno deserves blame for what happened with the Raiders offense too. His performance was poor. He wasn't that great his last two years with the Seahawks. He was average at best. We're talking about a guy who has been in the league 12+ years and yet can't figure out how to read a defense. Especially in the red zone.

 

[SeaWolv]

I thought Sam played well. Not great but good. Good enough to win. Had this been another team with a better D or better OLine there could have been a very different outcome. Missing Barner on the 4th and 1 early and then later a wide open Charbonnet on the goal line were pretty glaring. Thankfully it didn't come back to bite him.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

Meh. Every quarterback in the league will miss guys.

 

[Chapow]

I don't think Chapow is a Geno fan. Just was joining the debate over the turnovers. Keasley is the hold out Geno guy lol. Old habits die hard I guess.

You are 100% correct (about me, I can't speak for Keasley).

I'm not really much of a Geno fan. I just think he was criticized far more harshly than his play on the field really deserved last season based on what he had to work with. Which again, was one of the worst OL's in the league. Totally ineffective running game. Probably the worst OC in the league. One of the most pass happy, one dimensional offenses in the league. The situation he was in was bad. Really bad. And yet he still managed to put up some up some pretty admirable numbers considering that both his OL and scheme were pretty much a dysfunctional mess. Quite frankly, I think Geno was treated pretty unfairly by a lot of Seahawks fans, but I guess having that opinion makes me a Geno nut hugger. Oh well.

Ultimately, I'm glad we moved on. I like Darnold and think he's done a very good job for us overall. I'm also very glad that the OL has played much better overall, our running game is far more effective, and our OC is actually competent enough to run an NFL offense. Those things make a huge difference to the success or failure of a QB.

 

[Ozzy]

I personally was not big on Darnold. I thought he was a younger Geno. I understood the signing though.
I have been won over this year. He makes winning plays. He has done it all year and last year. He also makes dumb plays at times. Cut those out and I think we can win a super bowl with him at the helm.

Yep honestly if he can do what he did against the Niners we will be tough to beat

 

[SoulfishHawk]

Exactly. Pound the rock and play defense like that? Just be careful with the ball, sling it when you need to? This team can win the whole thing.
He lead them on an 8 minute drive with the CLUTCH conversions. He's done that more than a few times this season.
While he can drive you crazy, he also has been clutch quite a few times.

 

[Chapow]

I can bring all the advanced stats but I think you have your mine made up. Darnold is massively better this year than Geno was last year and its not remotely close. If you truly care, I don't think you do, then sure we can dig into the deeper stats and see who was better. Usage volume stats when he had a much higher passing volume and a freebie week 17 where Rams gave Geno 4 touchdowns don't move the needle for me. You're also ignoring multiple blowout games where Darnold is shut down early hence the near league low passing volume numbers. Weird you know this but don't mention it because you have a Geno agenda.

People still clinging to Geno are wild to me....The guy was terrible last year.

You said Darnold was massively more productive this season than Geno was last season, not massively better. That's why I compared the stats that are generally used as barometers for production, which are yards and TD's, and which are pretty close. If that's not what you mean by "production" then please be more specific what you mean. I can't read your mind.

As far as "clinging to Geno", I'm not the one that keeps him bringing him up. I have posted next to nothing about Geno since last off season. But that doesn't mean I'm not going to respond occasionally when others bring him up.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

Let's just agree that they both can be turnover machines.

Stoked for playoffs and seeing what they can do. Clearly, that game plan vs. Santa Clara was to be very careful with Sam. I'm ok with that.

 

[glenwo2]

I'll take those numbers from him all day long. Esp. if the defense is rockin.
I mean, if they complaint is that he didn't have any TD passes? Ok.......

He also didn't have any TURNOVERS. He did what we want him to do. Sometimes it IS good enough.
It was plenty good enough to win this game over Santa Clara.

I bet the next complaint would be "Well if this guy can't throw TDs, why did they sign him to that deal? They could just throw ME out there and I can hand the ball off. "

 

[Sperrydogg]

I am thankful that we have Sam.

 

[glenwo2]

Sam’s great. I trust him. I also admire his character. I also expect him to continually improve. I expect Kubiak to improve too, as they grind out their identity. I would let Sam retire here

Except if Kubiak leaves....sigh...

 

[Sperrydogg]

Except if Kubiak leaves....sigh...

Nooooooooo…… then we start over again