Sam

[Chapow]

you're leaving out that he played two less games and was also much less productive. I guess I'm still not understanding the argument here. Geno and Darnold both have a lot of turnovers and on a per game basis its super close which is the point being made. It's also very close while Darnold has been massively more productive.

Also according to stat muse, the source you brought up, Geno played in 17 games last season, Darnold played in 17 games this season. If I remember correctly, there were, what? 2 games Geno didn't finish? I just went through the game logs from last season and there was only 1 game he had less than 20 pass attempts, and he had 19 in that game.

Can you be a little more specific what you mean by Geno was much less productive, and Sam was massively more productive? Because here is what I'm seeing.

Geno with the Seahawks in 2024. 4320 passing yards, 272 rushing yards, 21 passing TD's, 2 rushing TD's.

Darnold with the Seahawks in 2025. 4048 passing yards, 95 rushing yards, 25 passing TD's, 0 rushing TD's.

So we have Geno last season with 4592 yards, 23 TD's, 15 turnovers.
Darnold this season with 4143yards, 25 TD's, 20 turnovers.

That sure doesn't look like one guy was massively more productive than the other to me.

 

[Natethegreat]

Also according to stat muse, the source you brought up, Geno played in 17 games last season, Darnold played in 17 games this season. If I remember correctly, there were, what? 2 games Geno didn't finish? I just went through the game logs from last season and there was only 1 game he had less than 20 pass attempts, and he had 19 in that game.

Can you be a little more specific what you mean by Geno was much less productive, and Sam was massively more productive? Because here is what I'm seeing.

Geno with the Seahawks in 2024. 4320 passing yards, 272 rushing yards, 21 passing TD's, 2 rushing TD's.

Darnold with the Seahawks in 2025. 4048 passing yards, 95 rushing yards, 25 passing TD's, 0 rushing TD's.

So we have Geno last season with 4592 yards, 23 TD's, 15 turnovers.
Darnold this season with 4143yards, 25 TD's, 20 turnovers.

That sure doesn't look like one guy was massively more productive than the other to me.

Doesn't make sense to compare Genos numbers last year to Darnolds this year. 2 different offenses altogether.
He was comparing the last 2 years combined both turnovers and td's and Darnolds td production is far higher. That is what he is talking about.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

Why does all of this matter? Sam is 14-3, leading his team to the 1 seed and ready to rock in the playoffs.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

Also according to stat muse, the source you brought up, Geno played in 17 games last season, Darnold played in 17 games this season. If I remember correctly, there were, what? 2 games Geno didn't finish? I just went through the game logs from last season and there was only 1 game he had less than 20 pass attempts, and he had 19 in that game.

Can you be a little more specific what you mean by Geno was much less productive, and Sam was massively more productive? Because here is what I'm seeing.

Geno with the Seahawks in 2024. 4320 passing yards, 272 rushing yards, 21 passing TD's, 2 rushing TD's.

Darnold with the Seahawks in 2025. 4048 passing yards, 95 rushing yards, 25 passing TD's, 0 rushing TD's.

So we have Geno last season with 4592 yards, 23 TD's, 15 turnovers.
Darnold this season with 4143yards, 25 TD's, 20 turnovers.

That sure doesn't look like one guy was massively more productive than the other to me.

And one of them won 14 games, the other was a turnover machine who didn't sniff the playoffs.
Also, I'm STILL waiting to hear about huge wins that Geno had.

 

[Sperrydogg]

Take away the dumb rams game and that’s like a third of Sam’s picks…

 

[Sperrydogg]

Also according to stat muse, the source you brought up, Geno played in 17 games last season, Darnold played in 17 games this season. If I remember correctly, there were, what? 2 games Geno didn't finish? I just went through the game logs from last season and there was only 1 game he had less than 20 pass attempts, and he had 19 in that game.

Can you be a little more specific what you mean by Geno was much less productive, and Sam was massively more productive? Because here is what I'm seeing.

Geno with the Seahawks in 2024. 4320 passing yards, 272 rushing yards, 21 passing TD's, 2 rushing TD's.

Darnold with the Seahawks in 2025. 4048 passing yards, 95 rushing yards, 25 passing TD's, 0 rushing TD's.

So we have Geno last season with 4592 yards, 23 TD's, 15 turnovers.
Darnold this season with 4143yards, 25 TD's, 20 turnovers.

That sure doesn't look like one guy was massively more productive than the other to me.

Yeah but geno! sucked

geNo! is like a succubus, like my ex

 

[Rat]

If people are offended by a long thread talking about Sam during our bye week for some reason (god knows why), I'm cool talking about Desmond Williams also. No QBs are off limits!

 

[hox]

Also according to stat muse, the source you brought up, Geno played in 17 games last season, Darnold played in 17 games this season. If I remember correctly, there were, what? 2 games Geno didn't finish? I just went through the game logs from last season and there was only 1 game he had less than 20 pass attempts, and he had 19 in that game.

Can you be a little more specific what you mean by Geno was much less productive, and Sam was massively more productive? Because here is what I'm seeing.

Geno with the Seahawks in 2024. 4320 passing yards, 272 rushing yards, 21 passing TD's, 2 rushing TD's.

Darnold with the Seahawks in 2025. 4048 passing yards, 95 rushing yards, 25 passing TD's, 0 rushing TD's.

So we have Geno last season with 4592 yards, 23 TD's, 15 turnovers.
Darnold this season with 4143yards, 25 TD's, 20 turnovers.

That sure doesn't look like one guy was massively more productive than the other to me.

Grubb was a super pass happy offense. Kubiak is more balanced / run centric. Apples and oranges.

Put Geno in that overtime drive vs the Rams, and we're probably taking an L there.

Also, Stat Muse is not a reliable data source.

 

[bileever]

I'm a Sam Darnold convert, but I would say in Geno's defense that it's unfair to compare Geno's production over the last two years to Sam's. Last year, Geno played in a horrible offensive scheme designed by Ryan Grubb with the worst O-line in the NFL. This year, Geno played again with the league's worst offensive line and another OC who got fired.

If Geno comes to the line of scrimmage next year on whatever team he's on, and he sees "FORSYTHE" on the back of a jersey, he should just head to the locker room.

 

[Natethegreat]

I'm a Sam Darnold convert, but I would say in Geno's defense that it's unfair to compare Geno's production over the last two years to Sam's. Last year, Geno played in a horrible offensive scheme designed by Ryan Grubb with the worst O-line in the NFL. This year, Geno played again with the league's worst offensive line and another OC who got fired.

If Geno comes to the line of scrimmage next year on whatever team he's on, and he sees "FORSYTHE" on the back of a jersey, he should just head to the locker room.

I was told during Russell Wilsons tenure that sacks are a QB stat. Boy howdy does Geno take a lot of them everywhere he goes. Maybe the reason his line sucks every year is because he sucks?

 

[Chapow]

Doesn't make sense to compare Genos numbers last year to Darnolds this year. 2 different offenses altogether.
He was comparing the last 2 years combined and Darnolds td production is far higher. That is what he is talking about.

We were talking about which one of them had more turnovers with the Seahawks, and which one of them was more productive as a Seahawk. That's why I responded with Geno's numbers from 2024 and Sam's numbers from 2025. I thought was literally exactly what we were talking about.

How does it make any more sense to compare their TD totals from the last 2 years than to make the comparison from what each did as a Seahawk?

 

[Chapow]

Why does all of this matter? Sam is 14-3, leading his team to the 1 seed and ready to rock in the playoffs.

I don't know why all of this matters. I only chimed in after several people kept bringing it up.

 

[Natethegreat]

We were talking about which one of them had more turnovers with the Seahawks, and which one of them was more productive as a Seahawk. That's why I responded with Geno's numbers from 2024 and Sam's numbers from 2025. I thought was literally exactly what we were talking about.

How does it make any more sense to compare their TD totals from the last 2 years than to make the comparison from what each did as a Seahawk?

No they were comparing the last 2 years numbers. Go back and look at the posts.
The turnovers were close but the tds were not hence why he said what he did.

 

[Chapow]

Grubb was a super pass happy offense. Kubiak is more balanced / run centric. Apples and oranges.

Put Geno in that overtime drive vs the Rams, and we're probably taking an L there.

Also, Stat Muse is not a reliable data source.

I'm not the one that brought up stat muse as a source, but if you disagree with the stats I posted feel free to post stats from a different source (with links please).

 

[hox]

I'm not the one that brought up stat muse as a source, but if you disagree with the stats I posted feel free to post stats from a different source (with links please).

You can get basic data from them that they scrape from other sites or feeds, but their advanced metrics and stats are not always reliable.

 

[Chapow]

No they were comparing the last 2 years numbers. Go back and look at the posts.
The turnovers were close but the tds were not hence why he said what he did.

Nope. This was the first post I responded to in this particular back and forth.

"In what world did Geno not turn it over as much as Darnold? He had 15 picks and 9 fumbles in 15 games. Darnold has been light years better than Geno was last year and its not remotely close. I'm honestly baffled you made the argument Geno was better last year than Darnold has been this year. I'm at a loss here man so I'll just say agree to disagree."

And I only responded to that comment to post the actual turnover stats. Obviously the conversation has evolved since then.

 

[Natethegreat]

Nope. This was the first post I responded to in this particular back and forth.

"In what world did Geno not turn it over as much as Darnold? He had 15 picks and 9 fumbles in 15 games. Darnold has been light years better than Geno was last year and its not remotely close. I'm honestly baffled you made the argument Geno was better last year than Darnold has been this year. I'm at a loss here man so I'll just say agree to disagree."

And I only responded to that comment to post the actual turnover stats. Obviously the conversation has evolved since then.

Keasley's long post was comparing the last 2 years worth of turnovers for both players. Ozzy responded disputing the numbers.
Then made the point that the to's are close but the tds are not.

 

[Torc]

The stats don't lie but they don't tell the whole story. Nearly half of Sam's interceptions (6 of 14) were in two games vs the Rams. That needs to be fixed, they're a division rival that we face at least twice a year after all. But outside of the Rams he is far less of an interception machine than the total stats taken out of context would indicate.

 

[Chapow]

You can get basic data from them that they scrape from other sites or feeds, but their advanced metrics and stats are not always reliable.

Ok, well the stats I posted are awfully basic. Yards, TD's, turnovers. Are you disputing that the stats I posted are incorrect? If so, please feel free to correct them, including links.

 

[Chapow]

Keasley's long post was comparing the last 2 years worth of turnovers for both players. Ozzy responded disputing the numbers.
Then made the point that the to's are close but the tds are not.

Ok, fair enough. I thought we were talking about Geno on the Seahawks last season vs Darnold on the Seahawks this season.