Russell Wilson to Giants? - NBC Sports comentary

[chris98251]

well thats an interesting name. But not sure he's "proven."

You'd have to trade for him, then sign him. equal risk to a rookie?

He was able to carry the Colts when Luck was out and be successful, Patriots wanted him back also and thats a pretty good endorcement by itself. Besides given the problems the Colts were having during that time in the front office and coach he has some adversity he has played with internally.

Better to trade and sign with less impact on over all roster and cap for that guy then for a bigger name whom is going to have walk in expectations.

 

[Uncle Si]

well thats an interesting name. But not sure he's "proven."

You'd have to trade for him, then sign him. equal risk to a rookie?

He was able to carry the Colts when Luck was out and be successful, Patriots wanted him back also and thats a pretty good endorcement by itself. Besides given the problems the Colts were having during that time in the front office and coach he has some adversity he has played with internally.

Better to trade and sign with less impact on over all roster and cap for that guy then for a bigger name whom is going to have walk in expectations.

Different scenarios, but would you be ok with the Seahawks trading RW, signing Brikett and taking all that cap space and putting into FA?

 

[chris98251]

No, Wilson is in his prime, Manning is at the End. Cap space continues to move up, 30.5 Million or 35 million will be a bargain again at the end of his contract. Not sure why everyone is so worried about cap space, we rotate guys off the roster to help with it all the time.


Also the next CBA could separate QB contracts from rest of roster is also a rumor.

Although I would take him over Hundley.

 

[DomeHawk]

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Bad results are not the same as bad process. The fact that Pete makes the playoffs every year is not a waste of Wilson - quite the contrary. Fans who think that make me shake my head. If you're waiting for nonstop Super Bowl streaks to crown him as a successful coach, well, I don't know what to tell you. That's not the yardstick and never was.

I can't speak for anyone else but I think you may be missing the point.

Obviously, no one is going to complain about making the playoffs every year but that isn't the point. It's the point that is all you are, i.e., a 10-6 team that can make the playoffs and that's as far as you can go. The feeling that you have built-in limitations.

Like I said, it's like kissing your sister.

I don't understand this logic at all, lol. It's entirely based on assumptions and nothing concrete.

Pete has proven he can both make and win a Superbowl. The team currently does not have the same level of talent as the elite teams in the NFC, and we still made the playoffs. That is a far cry from being a middle of the road team that has no real shot of making a Superbowl every season but still manages to squeak into the playoffs.

It also raises the question, who would rather have instead of Pete? Just about every coach in the league will fall into your 'kissing your sister' definition of team success.

The top coaches since Pete entered the League in 2010, Belichick, Mike Tomlin, Pete Carroll, Mike Mccarthy, Andy Reid, Sean Payton.

Pete Carroll - 9.9 wins/season
Sean Payton - 9.8 wins/season
Mike Tomlin - 10.4 wins/season
Mike Mccarthy - 9.6 wins/season
Andy Reid - 9.8 wins/season
Bill Belichick - 10.9 wins/season

Again, missing the point. Who said anything about firing Pete? This is about Pete adjusting his philosophy. Without the Legion of Boom and Beastmode, 5-yds and a cloud of dust, and "you win the game in the 4th qtr." isn't a philosophy that can compete for championships.

It's just that simple.

 

[Uncle Si]

Nobody's missing the point, There are a variety of ways to win championships.

5 yards and a cloud of dust won Seattle a Super Bowl 5 seasons ago, took them within a yard of another. Denver a Super Bowl with the same set up 3 years ago. This last Super Bowl was won with a similar game plan.

the only issue i have with PC is there are not as many in game adjustments as you'd hope, and you dont see as many wrinkles offensively.

 

[DomeHawk]

the only issue i have with PC is there are not as many in game adjustments as you'd hope, and you dont see as many wrinkles offensively.

And that is exactly the point I, and others, are trying to make.

And yes, some were missing the point. It isn't about getting rid of PC and this whole "who would you rather have" argument gets old.

 

[Uncle Si]

the only issue i have with PC is there are not as many in game adjustments as you'd hope, and you dont see as many wrinkles offensively.

And that is exactly the point I, and others, are trying to make.

And yes, some were missing the point. It isn't about getting rid of PC and this whole "who would you rather have" argument gets old.

The point made was that the 10 win range is the ideal standard to guage coaches against

 

[WmHBonney]

"Also the next CBA could separate QB contracts from rest of roster is also a rumor."


This needs to be done. This will change the game.

 

[lukerguy]

Would you take 6th Ov, 38 and NYG 1st in 2020 for Russ?

 

[getnasty]

Would you take 6th Ov, 38 and NYG 1st in 2020 for Russ?

Would need at least another 2nd round pick if not more. Plus after Bosa, Williams and Allen i feel like there's a pretty good drop off of elite talent so i wouldnt really love the 6th pick but maybe you could trade back.

 

[Sports Hernia]

Would you take 6th Ov, 38 and NYG 1st in 2020 for Russ?

No.

 

[lukerguy]

Drew Lock is pretty darn good. He's got sneaky speed/athleticism too.

If you could get him 6th, reduce the cap space by about 20MM a year, get a 2nd and another 1st.. I'd definitely do it.

With that extra room you could sign the equivalent of Clowney type player.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

Honey bunches of NOPE

 

[lukerguy]

Ok here's a better question. Everyone has to have a number. At what price is Russell Wilson's contract not worth the price?

$25MM? $30MM? $40MM?

There has to be a number for everyone. Once we can get people to admit the number we can have a dialogue about value.

"keep him at all costs" isn't a viable argument unfortunately.

If Russ wants to sign a long term deal at a reasonable price (3-5th highest QB range) with lots of guaranteed money, it's a no brainer... But breaking QB money records will not allow the Seahawks to be a perennial SB contender, which we haven't been in about 3 years (since.. guess when?)

If Russ is going to play it like Kirk Cousins (which he as the full right to do if that's what he's chasing), then you might as well get some incredible assets.. that's a big IF. I have no idea what Russ is looking for.

 

[Sgt. Largent]

Ok here's a better question. Everyone has to have a number. At what price is Russell Wilson's contract not worth the price?

$25MM? $30MM? $40MM?.

The price will be next man up.

That's how the salary structure in the NFL works. If profits go up (which they are), and the salary cap goes up (which it is), then the next top 10 QB will sign for more than the last QB.

So what's the next "highest paid" QB going to want? Rodgers just signed for 4 years @ $134,000,000 / $57,500,000 signing bonus / $98,700,000 guaranteed, and an average annual salary of $33,500,00.

So THAT'S where all conversations should start if you're one of the people debating whether Russell is worth the price. The price will be north of 100M guaranteed, and north of 33.5M per year.

And if the Cowboys and Dak get their deal done first, and it's more than Rodgers? Then THAT'S the new benchmark for your conversation.

 

[Seymour]

Ok here's a better question. Everyone has to have a number. At what price is Russell Wilson's contract not worth the price?

$25MM? $30MM? $40MM?

There has to be a number for everyone. Once we can get people to admit the number we can have a dialogue about value.

"keep him at all costs" isn't a viable argument unfortunately.

If Russ wants to sign a long term deal at a reasonable price (3-5th highest QB range) with lots of guaranteed money, it's a no brainer... But breaking QB money records will not allow the Seahawks to be a perennial SB contender, which we haven't been in about 3 years (since.. guess when?)

If Russ is going to play it like Kirk Cousins (which he as the full right to do if that's what he's chasing), then you might as well get some incredible assets.. that's a big IF. I have no idea what Russ is looking for.

But seriously?? $36 million and I'm calling clipboard Jesus.

 

[lukerguy]

Ok here's a better question. Everyone has to have a number. At what price is Russell Wilson's contract not worth the price?

$25MM? $30MM? $40MM?.

The price will be next man up.

That's how the salary structure in the NFL works. If profits go up (which they are), and the salary cap goes up (which it is), then the next top 10 QB will sign for more than the last QB.

So what's the next "highest paid" QB going to want? Rodgers just signed for 4 years @ $134,000,000 / $57,500,000 signing bonus / $98,700,000 guaranteed, and an average annual salary of $33,500,00.

So THAT'S where all conversations should start if you're one of the people debating whether Russell is worth the price. The price will be north of 100M guaranteed, and north of 33.5M per year.

And if the Cowboys and Dak get their deal done first, and it's more than Rodgers? Then THAT'S the new benchmark for your conversation.

I totally get that. My question is. How teams have won a SB after the QB signed a market leading contract within the first 3 years of the term?

Dak isn't getting Rodgers money though. That's foolish. It's not the next man up gets the most. It's the next elite QB up gets it which would fit rodgers but not Dak in my opinion.

 

[Sgt. Largent]

Ok here's a better question. Everyone has to have a number. At what price is Russell Wilson's contract not worth the price?

$25MM? $30MM? $40MM?.

The price will be next man up.

That's how the salary structure in the NFL works. If profits go up (which they are), and the salary cap goes up (which it is), then the next top 10 QB will sign for more than the last QB.

So what's the next "highest paid" QB going to want? Rodgers just signed for 4 years @ $134,000,000 / $57,500,000 signing bonus / $98,700,000 guaranteed, and an average annual salary of $33,500,00.

So THAT'S where all conversations should start if you're one of the people debating whether Russell is worth the price. The price will be north of 100M guaranteed, and north of 33.5M per year.

And if the Cowboys and Dak get their deal done first, and it's more than Rodgers? Then THAT'S the new benchmark for your conversation.

I totally get that. My question is. How teams have won a SB after the QB signed a market leading contract within the first 3 years of the term?

Dak isn't getting Rodgers money though. That's foolish. It's not the next man up gets the most. It's the next elite QB up gets it which would fit rodgers but not Dak in my opinion.

1. You're introducing another question. Can we win with Russell soaking up 20-25% of the cap, idk good question. Definitely makes it harder.

2, Dak will get more than Rogers IMO........and I illustrated why above. Unless the Cowboys refuse and let him walk, which I highly doubt the will.

You guys keep trying to apply logical reasoning to how to pay these guys, and it's not logic, it's simple math. Cousins, Garrappolo, Smith, and Rodgers...........next man up gets paid. Dak and Russell are next men up. They gonna get paid.

 

[John63]

Here is what it boils down 2 choices

1. don't sign him hope you GET LUCKY in the draft or Fa, use the money for other things and HOPE you can put together a good enough team to win 9+ games
2. Resign Wilson, use what cap money and the draft to fill out KNOWING (have been 9+ win every year since Wilson and with Wilson taking up large % cap) barring injury you are a 9+ win team every year.

So simple luck and hope over the known.

Pretty simple really

 

[lukerguy]

There is certainly something to be said about just simply being a playoff contender for the next 10 years.. Even if we don't win another SB... we didn't get to watch playoffs for so many years, and I think the trading route opens up the door for a crappy team in the future.