Russell Wilson sets deadline for new contract

[Tical21]

Only thing holding him back is his ability to read defenses.

He's had better running game and defense in his first 7 years on average than any qb in 30 years, possibly ever. He had the best roster in the nfl for 5 years and managed one ring. We should give that man a blank check!

For a guy who has the best QBR in the history of the league through his first seven seasons, and almost broke the all time NFL record for TD to Interception differential last year, he sure is lucky at reading defenses.

The statement TIcal says is not true at all. It has been documented by experts how Wilson has read and dissected defenses. This is just another falsehood that some need to try to hang onto to maintain their stance on Wilson. Since they don't have any FACT to support their hate of Wilson they are resorting to making things up.

Show me this documentation.

Like I said, I'll gladly host a viewing party anytime. I'll show you when he is going to have trouble and why. Put this argument to bed once and for all. We can even do video review if you would like.

 

[Tical21]

Yeah, we need to ignore facts. Clearly the Hawks could have won that Super Bowl and made it w/in another play of back to back titles with 25 different Quarterbacks :177692:
And who said to write him a blank check??? Fair value would be to put him around Rodgers or maybe a little higher being that he's the next guy up.

Qb economics are broken. It's a blank check. Theres nothing stopping him from asking for 45, and he would get it.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

That's your version.

 

[Seymour]

That's your version.

Exactly!

Here is my version.

*inappropriate image edited out by Wenhawk*

 

[Sgt. Largent]

Yeah, we need to ignore facts. Clearly the Hawks could have won that Super Bowl and made it w/in another play of back to back titles with 25 different Quarterbacks :177692:
And who said to write him a blank check??? Fair value would be to put him around Rodgers or maybe a little higher being that he's the next guy up.

Qb economics are broken. It's a blank check. Theres nothing stopping him from asking for 45, and he would get it.

Not true at all, there's a very specific economic model that both sides use.

It's based off of the increase in the cap each year in accordance with the most recent signings at the position. It's why each new deal for the top players at each position, especially QB get incrementally larger guaranteed and total money than the last player.

If you want to blame something or someone, blame the increase in the cap. That's what's driving salaries, not some horrible power the players have over the owners.

They're ALL making money hand over fist, why get mad because the players with the most leverage (QB's) get the biggest share of the pie?

 

[Tical21]

Yeah, we need to ignore facts. Clearly the Hawks could have won that Super Bowl and made it w/in another play of back to back titles with 25 different Quarterbacks :177692:
And who said to write him a blank check??? Fair value would be to put him around Rodgers or maybe a little higher being that he's the next guy up.

Qb economics are broken. It's a blank check. Theres nothing stopping him from asking for 45, and he would get it.

Not true at all, there's a very specific economic model that both sides use.

It's based off of the increase in the cap each year in accordance with the most recent signings at the position. It's why each new deal for the top players at each position, especially QB get incrementally larger guaranteed and total money than the last player.

If you want to blame something or someone, blame the increase in the cap. That's what's driving salaries, not some horrible power the players have over the owners.

They're ALL making money hand over fist, why get mad because the players with the most leverage (QB's) get the biggest share of the pie?

I'm not mad at any player getting their share, but qb salaries are starting to prevent teams from reaching the playoffs. Signing a qb to a "market value" contract anymore can no longer blanketly be referred to as a good decision or simply the cost of doing business.

 

[Fade]

Salary Cap hit is all that matters. The rest is irrelevant.

At the end of the day. Russell Wilson has cost less than Tom Brady against the salary cap in total during Wilson's 2nd contract (2015-2019).

The numbers prove that.

15 +7M
16 -4.8M
17 -600K
18 -1.7M
19 +2.7M

Feel free to continue to argue against the math, damage control, and come up with more straw-man arguments if you like. Russell Wilson has been a bargain for years, and you have argued other wise for years... because... because... Tom Brady takes less. Who Wilson technically cost less than against the cap this whole time.

This isn't an isolated comment. You have been arguing this for years. Not anymore.

Your math is wrong.

Wilson - 2015: 32M
Brady - 2015: 13M
= +19M

Over that length of time Wilson has made just under 17M more than Brady.

CAP NUMBER

Russell Wilson 2015 = 7,054,868

Tom Brady 2015 = 14,000,000

https://overthecap.com/position/quarterback/2015/

 

[John63]

Lets put some FACTS behind this push of fantasy.

Wilson had the 4th best passer rating 101.4 when NOT using play action, rebuking that he needs a run game'

"Russell Wilson ranked third among qualifying QBs in completion percentage above expectation in 2018, and did so averaging passes much farther downfield than Brees/Cousins. Per "

"From a clean pocket, no QB unleashed big-time throws more frequently than Russell Wilson"

" most hit, hurried, sacked and pressured QB"

Winningest Qb through first 7 seasons

2nd best QB rating career

1 of 2 with lifetime Qb rating over 100

Only player to make up over 80% of offensive yards and over 95% of offensive TDs

Most 4th qtr, OT come from behind victories since 2012

top 10 in YPA, TDs, Qb rating, td/int ratio, td per attempt,

2018 pass blocking ranking 30th.

We see the run game thing but they always leave out he is accounting for 20-25% or more of the rushing yards. He was the leading rusher 1 year as well.

There is much much more as well.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

BOOM

But hey, we are supposed to believe that he's only successful because of a great D and running game. Yeah, ok. Always entertaining to see the comments. Especially when someone just ignores facts, actual facts....just because they don't like the guy. Hilarious :snack:

 

[Mad Dog]

Only thing holding him back is his ability to read defenses.

He's had better running game and defense in his first 7 years on average than any qb in 30 years, possibly ever. He had the best roster in the nfl for 5 years and managed one ring. We should give that man a blank check!

For a guy who has the best QBR in the history of the league through his first seven seasons, and almost broke the all time NFL record for TD to Interception differential last year, he sure is lucky at reading defenses.

The statement TIcal says is not true at all. It has been documented by experts how Wilson has read and dissected defenses. This is just another falsehood that some need to try to hang onto to maintain their stance on Wilson. Since they don't have any FACT to support their hate of Wilson they are resorting to making things up.

Show me this documentation.

Like I said, I'll gladly host a viewing party anytime. I'll show you when he is going to have trouble and why. Put this argument to bed once and for all. We can even do video review if you would like.

Will the viewing party include dissecting other franchise QB's like Matt Stafford and Matt Ryan. These guys make far more than Russell and have inferior stats and records. You'd think if they could read defenses they'd be miles ahead especially with the receiving talent they've been blessed with.

It's easy to criticize inside a bubble. Prove to me that every other big name QB is better at reading defenses rather than just pointing out times you saw something from a birds eye view that a QB missed from field view with a game on the line and 20 different things to think of.

If Wilson couldn't read zone defenses by now then the book would be out on how to defend him and his statistics would slide, just like most flash in the pan QB's. But he gets statistically better every year with less talent around him.

Pay the man as little as you can get away with but pay him nonetheless.

 

[Largent80]

It's simple, you PAY Russell Wilson. There isn't anything else that needs to be said.

 

[Sgt. Largent]

I'm not mad at any player getting their share, but qb salaries are starting to prevent teams from reaching the playoffs. Signing a qb to a "market value" contract anymore can no longer blanketly be referred to as a good decision or simply the cost of doing business.

It's not a blanket statement.

You and others want to diminish what Russell's value is, and some of us think he's worthy of being paid. That's the only difference.

Yes, IMO teams like the Lions, Niners, Vikings and Raiders are idiots for paying their mediocre QB's top QB money and hamstringing their chances of success, because those QB's aren't even 60-70% of what Russell has done, and can still do.......which is win you games and be the consistent leader this team needs to have success.

Because if you take him off this roster, it's a 5 win team at best.........and you're not making up the difference with high priced free agent additions. When has that ever worked?

Draft well, be smart in free agency and take care of your elite players. THAT'S the formula to win in the NFL. Russell is one of our elite players.

 

[chris98251]

I'm not mad at any player getting their share, but qb salaries are starting to prevent teams from reaching the playoffs. Signing a qb to a "market value" contract anymore can no longer blanketly be referred to as a good decision or simply the cost of doing business.

It's not a blanket statement.

You and others want to diminish what Russell's value is, and some of us think he's worthy of being paid. That's the only difference.

Yes, IMO teams like the Lions, Niners, Vikings and Raiders are idiots for paying their mediocre QB's top QB money and hamstringing their chances of success, because those QB's aren't even 60-70% of what Russell has done, and can still do.......which is win you games and be the consistent leader this team needs to have success.

Because if you take him off this roster, it's a 5 win team at best.........and you're not making up the difference with high priced free agent additions. When has that ever worked?

Draft well, be smart in free agency and take care of your elite players. THAT'S the formula to win in the NFL. Russell is one of our elite players.

Not according to some, he can't read defenses and progressions, was only a product of a great defense and run game.

 

[brimsalabim]

Last season he did a much better job of reading defenses. It could be that sending in a play so he can get out of the huddle and up on the line in time to actually survey the defense helps with that?

 

[Tical21]

For a guy who has the best QBR in the history of the league through his first seven seasons, and almost broke the all time NFL record for TD to Interception differential last year, he sure is lucky at reading defenses.

The statement TIcal says is not true at all. It has been documented by experts how Wilson has read and dissected defenses. This is just another falsehood that some need to try to hang onto to maintain their stance on Wilson. Since they don't have any FACT to support their hate of Wilson they are resorting to making things up.

Show me this documentation.

Like I said, I'll gladly host a viewing party anytime. I'll show you when he is going to have trouble and why. Put this argument to bed once and for all. We can even do video review if you would like.

Will the viewing party include dissecting other franchise QB's like Matt Stafford and Matt Ryan. These guys make far more than Russell and have inferior stats and records. You'd think if they could read defenses they'd be miles ahead especially with the receiving talent they've been blessed with.

It's easy to criticize inside a bubble. Prove to me that every other big name QB is better at reading defenses rather than just pointing out times you saw something from a birds eye view that a QB missed from field view with a game on the line and 20 different things to think of.

If Wilson couldn't read zone defenses by now then the book would be out on how to defend him and his statistics would slide, just like most flash in the pan QB's. But he gets statistically better every year with less talent around him.

Pay the man as little as you can get away with but pay him nonetheless.

I'd be happy to, but what does Matt Ryan and Matt Stafford being overpaid have to do with whether or not it is a good decision for us to overpay Russell? If every team jumped off a bridge, would you want yours to?

 

[Tical21]

Lets put some FACTS behind this push of fantasy.

Wilson had the 4th best passer rating 101.4 when NOT using play action, rebuking that he needs a run game'

"Russell Wilson ranked third among qualifying QBs in completion percentage above expectation in 2018, and did so averaging passes much farther downfield than Brees/Cousins. Per "

"From a clean pocket, no QB unleashed big-time throws more frequently than Russell Wilson"

" most hit, hurried, sacked and pressured QB"

Winningest Qb through first 7 seasons

2nd best QB rating career

1 of 2 with lifetime Qb rating over 100

Only player to make up over 80% of offensive yards and over 95% of offensive TDs

Most 4th qtr, OT come from behind victories since 2012

top 10 in YPA, TDs, Qb rating, td/int ratio, td per attempt,

2018 pass blocking ranking 30th.

We see the run game thing but they always leave out he is accounting for 20-25% or more of the rushing yards. He was the leading rusher 1 year as well.

There is much much more as well.

If a defense is loaded up to stop the run, the passing game will flourish, playaction or not. Am I wrong?

Best roster for first seven seasons of any QB.

Inflated passer rating due to butt pucker and refusal to take chances.

If you have the most 4th quarter comebacks, doesn't that mean you are usually behind?

He's accounting for 20-25% of the rushing yards. Some fact! LOL

 

[Largent80]

The statement TIcal says is not true at all. It has been documented by experts how Wilson has read and dissected defenses. This is just another falsehood that some need to try to hang onto to maintain their stance on Wilson. Since they don't have any FACT to support their hate of Wilson they are resorting to making things up.

Show me this documentation.

Like I said, I'll gladly host a viewing party anytime. I'll show you when he is going to have trouble and why. Put this argument to bed once and for all. We can even do video review if you would like.

Will the viewing party include dissecting other franchise QB's like Matt Stafford and Matt Ryan. These guys make far more than Russell and have inferior stats and records. You'd think if they could read defenses they'd be miles ahead especially with the receiving talent they've been blessed with.

It's easy to criticize inside a bubble. Prove to me that every other big name QB is better at reading defenses rather than just pointing out times you saw something from a birds eye view that a QB missed from field view with a game on the line and 20 different things to think of.

If Wilson couldn't read zone defenses by now then the book would be out on how to defend him and his statistics would slide, just like most flash in the pan QB's. But he gets statistically better every year with less talent around him.

Pay the man as little as you can get away with but pay him nonetheless.

I'd be happy to, but what does Matt Ryan and Matt Stafford being overpaid have to do with whether or not it is a good decision for us to overpay Russell? If every team jumped off a bridge, would you want yours to?

Gawd, who do you want as a QB for the Hawks?....Steven Colbert? Because franchise QB's are OBVIOUSLY a once in a lifetime thing. How do i know this?...Iv'e been watching the NFL since the 50's, and I've seen the Seahawks have maybe one, possibly 2, and now without a doubt a legit Franchise QB.

KEEP Russell Wilson in Seattle forever until he retires.

 

[Tical21]

Russell Wilson > Winning championships

 

[Seymour]

Russell Wilson > Winning championships

Really?

Who else has won one here????

Russell Wilson = Winning championships.

Now which statement = fact??

 

[Sgt. Largent]

I'd be happy to, but what does Matt Ryan and Matt Stafford being overpaid have to do with whether or not it is a good decision for us to overpay Russell? If every team jumped off a bridge, would you want yours to?

We could certainly take a stand and refuse to pay Russell out of your self created "overpriced" principle that's based on no real cap related facts, other than "it's too much." Even though the cap went up 11M over last year..........which is btw more than pays for his extension amount per season. His dead cap hit is 28M this year already. So you gotta pay him 35-36M to match or slightly pass up Rodgers? So what. That's only 7M more.

But those type of franchise changing decisions come at a cost.

1. You just sent a message to the entire team that if you're one of the elite players at your position, we're not going to pay you what the market has deemed your worth.

2. You now have a 6'7" stiff of a failure as your starting QB, which guarantees you about 3-4 wins next year.

IF you're going to decide not to pay Russell, then that decision should have been made last winter before free agency so you could trade him, get the picks AND most importantly be heavily involved in spending all your cap savings in this year's free agent class.

Now what? You're going to trade Russell pre or post draft? Make him play on the last year of his deal with no extension? That'd be a horrible way to go into the 2019 season.