Russell Wilson sets deadline for new contract

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Seymour":1k5rdiul said:
OK. I need to ask. What that Wilson has done or said would possibly give you that opinion??

Setting a stupid deadline and holding the Seahawks hostage. Appearing on Jimmy Fallon etc.

If his demands were reasonable this deal would be done now. The only reason that makes any sense is that the demands are giving the FO pause for thought.

Wilson and his agent know this hence the deadline which just so happens to stop the FO drafting his replacement. I think they should call his bluff.
 

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This date was made months ago. But the media likes to build it up as him pumping his chest out demanding it be done just a couple weeks back. Not the case at all. As usual, the media was WRONG about something. Shocker :lol:
Also, Russ has already said he will NOT holdout, so that's really all that matters. Like others have mentioned, getting this done sooner than later would be huge. Before the top contracts keep going higher and higher, get it done now. This is a good thing if it happens.
 

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UK_Seahawk":1mrmqdo2 said:
Seymour":1mrmqdo2 said:
OK. I need to ask. What that Wilson has done or said would possibly give you that opinion??

Setting a stupid deadline and holding the Seahawks hostage. Appearing on Jimmy Fallon etc.

If his demands were reasonable this deal would be done now. The only reason that makes any sense is that the demands are giving the FO pause for thought.

Wilson and his agent know this hence the deadline which just so happens to stop the FO drafting his replacement. I think they should call his bluff.

Frank Clark has said for almost two years that he was perfectly fine with playing on the franchise tag, and as soon as we tagged him he said he was pissed and wasn't going to report without a new deal.

Why aren't we all over him for that? Why is Russell and his agent held to a higher standard when it comes to all these games both sides play when it comes to negotiations?

Who cares. If you trust Pete and John to make the right decision (and you should trust them), then relax and don't get all caught up in the negotiation games of the process.
 

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UK_Seahawk":2hwibsqc said:
Seymour":2hwibsqc said:
OK. I need to ask. What that Wilson has done or said would possibly give you that opinion??

Setting a stupid deadline and holding the Seahawks hostage. Appearing on Jimmy Fallon etc.

If his demands were reasonable this deal would be done now
. The only reason that makes any sense is that the demands are giving the FO pause for thought.

Wilson and his agent know this hence the deadline which just so happens to stop the FO drafting his replacement. I think they should call his bluff.

I've read that date was set 6 months ago, and Wilson does not want to be a distraction once offseason workout begins. What if Wilson is asking for a reasonable contract and he just wants it done without being caught in the news cycle every week?
His last contract was completed in summer and was reasonable so your guesswork is lacking IMO.
This make far more sense and aligns with his personality of a team first guy. Just doesn't get as many clicks. :roll:
 

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Who cares about all of this?

It's a friggin business. Just sit back and let it play out rather than busting blood vessels.

Either way, we're fans and have zero say/control, so take a back seat and chill..
 

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Largent80":3qso4lir said:
Who cares about all of this?

It's a friggin business. Just sit back and let it play out rather than busting blood vessels.

Either way, we're fans and have zero say/control, so take a back seat and chill..


By that logic, this board should just not exist
 

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Uncle Si":2gw8xvl2 said:
Largent80":2gw8xvl2 said:
Who cares about all of this?

It's a friggin business. Just sit back and let it play out rather than busting blood vessels.

Either way, we're fans and have zero say/control, so take a back seat and chill..


By that logic, this board should just not exist

Exactly....who cares, go play jump rope... right? :roll:
 

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SoulfishHawk":icu1wnv8 said:
Fan how you want, it's as corny as people think Russ is. You can't stand the guy, congrats. He's going to the Hawks QB for a while longer, sorry man, you'll just have to get used to it a little longer.
I find it humorous how people are when it comes to Russ. But hey, do you. The funny thing is that you think I care if you pick on the guy. Go ahead, makes it more funny when he just keeps winning, in life and on the field. Plus, 25 other QB's would have won us a ring, right? :34853_doh:
LOL, Snivelers going to snivel, it's what they do best.
I doubt that they even believe some of the crap they are posting..... :shock:
just think of all the money they would save us if they were hired on as the Seahawks GM. AND, we'd undoubtedly be drafting sure fire ball hawks and, with their keen eye for talent, we'd never whiff again, hell, maybe we would luck out and find another "Clipboard Jesus" to come in here, be "Good Ol Boys" play for peanuts, and make us Stupor Bowl Contenders again.
 

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Uncle Si":1m9u74z7 said:
Largent80":1m9u74z7 said:
Who cares about all of this?

It's a friggin business. Just sit back and let it play out rather than busting blood vessels.

Either way, we're fans and have zero say/control, so take a back seat and chill..


By that logic, this board should just not exist

We all care, some people named Mrs. Sarge would say care too much.

But fans getting bent out of shape over the machinations of contract negotiations, and applying some sort of personality trait or honesty/loyalty opinion on the player is crazy.
 

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Yep, it's not only just a business, but we have zero control over it. So many assumptions when NONE of us truly know what is going on behind closed doors.
 

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Spin Doctor":3nikb13i said:
I was just stating that Brady was a bargain at the QB position, that is not wrong, no? Even this data you just posted, since Brady was re-upped in 2016 he has earned a total 9.8 million less than Wilson has thus far. This is also including hitting performance incentives for going to the SuperBowl and such.

Another thing to take into consideration is that in 2015 Russell was still playing out the last year of his rookie contract. He got a signing bonus but his base salary was still only 700k. In 2016 that base salary ballooned to 12 million along with the a similar 6 million dollar signing bonus once his old contract was up. Really his second contract begun in 2016: https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/seattle-sea ... lson-9885/

Wilson was signed to a pretty good deal IMO compared to a lot of the other QB's. Even still Brady got even less than Wilson did over that duration. Both Brady's and Wilson's new contract begun in 2016, and Brady was a QB that was just coming off of a SuperBowl win a year ago, plus a QB that had two MVP's and a long history of being productive under his belt with no signs of slowing down. He could have demanded to be the top paid QB in the NFL, but he didn't do that. It is pretty clear that Brady was taking a pay cut. Despite Wilson being signed to a relatively team friendly contract, Brady still earned 9.8 million dollars less than Wilson did since both of their contract extensions begun in 2016 (not including 2019).

Now, if you compare Brady to someone like Rodgers, or perhaps Matt Ryan, Flacco, etc you'd see that the disparity grew even larger. For example in 2016 Eli Manning was the highest paid QB and there was around a 10 million dollar differential between Brady, and Manning for just that one season. In the next season, Brady was making 10 million dollars less than Flacco, the highest paid QB. Wilson, too was making far less than those guys, but the contrast was even steeper between Brady and the top paid players.

In fact, the last year Tom Brady was even in the top 10 salary range for QB's was way back in 2013. That year he was the 5th highest paid QB. The year before in 2012 he was the 16th highest paid QB, in 2011 he was once again in the top 10 sitting at number 8, and he was top five once again in 2010.

So, since 2010 he has only been in the top 10 highest paid QBs list three times, all of those coming at the beginning of the decade (2010, 2011, 2013). Since 2013 he has not even touched the top 10 salary list for Quarterbacks, and he has signed three separate contracts, and has probably had just as many contract restructures since then. Before 2010 Brady was consistently in the top 5 highest paid QB's. With this data I think it is pretty cut and dry that Brady has given his team a substantial discount over the years compared to what he could be garnering. Now, in 2019 he is once again going to be a top 5 paid QB. So, for the entirety of the 2010's he has been only reached top 10 status four times including this upcoming season.

Wilson also signed a contract friendly, bargain contract, but in my previous statement I was talking about how Brady was a bargain compared to what most of the league is paying for their QB's, and that has been the truth in the 2010s, especially in the later half where he hasn't even reached top 10 pay status, and had disparities of 10 million or greater in salary between the top QBs since 2013, despite being up for contract renegotiation twice in that five year duration from 2013 - 2018.

Salary Cap hit is all that matters. The rest is irrelevant.

At the end of the day. Russell Wilson has cost less than Tom Brady against the salary cap in total during Wilson's 2nd contract (2015-2019).

The numbers prove that.

15 +7M
16 -4.8M
17 -600K
18 -1.7M
19 +2.7M

Feel free to continue to argue against the math, damage control, and come up with more straw-man arguments if you like. Russell Wilson has been a bargain for years, and you have argued other wise for years... because... because... Tom Brady takes less. :D Who Wilson technically cost less than against the cap this whole time.

This isn't an isolated comment. You have been arguing this for years. Not anymore.

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Largent80":2o6nvuil said:
Without all the dumb Gifs...Pay RW and move on.

Nice contribution. What do you think all the discussion is? Pay him HOW MUCH?

There is a point of diminished return, and NFL QB's are getting very close to that over the last year.
 

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How about YOU pay him, since it's so important to you.

As a team just pay him, it's pretty simple, do it and move forward.
 

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Fade":12z61jap said:
Spin Doctor":12z61jap said:
I was just stating that Brady was a bargain at the QB position, that is not wrong, no? Even this data you just posted, since Brady was re-upped in 2016 he has earned a total 9.8 million less than Wilson has thus far. This is also including hitting performance incentives for going to the SuperBowl and such.

Another thing to take into consideration is that in 2015 Russell was still playing out the last year of his rookie contract. He got a signing bonus but his base salary was still only 700k. In 2016 that base salary ballooned to 12 million along with the a similar 6 million dollar signing bonus once his old contract was up. Really his second contract begun in 2016: https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/seattle-sea ... lson-9885/

Wilson was signed to a pretty good deal IMO compared to a lot of the other QB's. Even still Brady got even less than Wilson did over that duration. Both Brady's and Wilson's new contract begun in 2016, and Brady was a QB that was just coming off of a SuperBowl win a year ago, plus a QB that had two MVP's and a long history of being productive under his belt with no signs of slowing down. He could have demanded to be the top paid QB in the NFL, but he didn't do that. It is pretty clear that Brady was taking a pay cut. Despite Wilson being signed to a relatively team friendly contract, Brady still earned 9.8 million dollars less than Wilson did since both of their contract extensions begun in 2016 (not including 2019).

Now, if you compare Brady to someone like Rodgers, or perhaps Matt Ryan, Flacco, etc you'd see that the disparity grew even larger. For example in 2016 Eli Manning was the highest paid QB and there was around a 10 million dollar differential between Brady, and Manning for just that one season. In the next season, Brady was making 10 million dollars less than Flacco, the highest paid QB. Wilson, too was making far less than those guys, but the contrast was even steeper between Brady and the top paid players.

In fact, the last year Tom Brady was even in the top 10 salary range for QB's was way back in 2013. That year he was the 5th highest paid QB. The year before in 2012 he was the 16th highest paid QB, in 2011 he was once again in the top 10 sitting at number 8, and he was top five once again in 2010.

So, since 2010 he has only been in the top 10 highest paid QBs list three times, all of those coming at the beginning of the decade (2010, 2011, 2013). Since 2013 he has not even touched the top 10 salary list for Quarterbacks, and he has signed three separate contracts, and has probably had just as many contract restructures since then. Before 2010 Brady was consistently in the top 5 highest paid QB's. With this data I think it is pretty cut and dry that Brady has given his team a substantial discount over the years compared to what he could be garnering. Now, in 2019 he is once again going to be a top 5 paid QB. So, for the entirety of the 2010's he has been only reached top 10 status four times including this upcoming season.

Wilson also signed a contract friendly, bargain contract, but in my previous statement I was talking about how Brady was a bargain compared to what most of the league is paying for their QB's, and that has been the truth in the 2010s, especially in the later half where he hasn't even reached top 10 pay status, and had disparities of 10 million or greater in salary between the top QBs since 2013, despite being up for contract renegotiation twice in that five year duration from 2013 - 2018.

Salary Cap hit is all that matters. The rest is irrelevant.

At the end of the day. Russell Wilson has cost less than Tom Brady against the salary cap in total during Wilson's 2nd contract (2015-2019).

The numbers prove that.

15 +7M
16 -4.8M
17 -600K
18 -1.7M
19 +2.7M

Feel free to continue to argue against the math, damage control, and come up with more straw-man arguments if you like. Russell Wilson has been a bargain for years, and you have argued other wise for years... because... because... Tom Brady takes less. :D Who Wilson technically cost less than against the cap this whole time.

This isn't an isolated comment. You have been arguing this for years. Not anymore.

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Your very own numbers are saying since Wilson begun his second contract in '16 that he has received 9.8 million dollars less than Brady. In '15 he was still playing out the remainder of his rookie contract, plus a small signing bonus.

I also said that Wilson received a team friendly contract if you remember correctly. Even though Wilson had a team friendly contract he still, by your own numbers has received 9.8 million less than Brady since they both begun their new contracts. Also, in my original post I wasn't even comparing him to Wilson. The only time I mentioned Wilson was a reference to the 2015 SuperBowl that we played against him, and I even said that Wilson was the cheaper QB, which I think in that game his base salary was at $700,000, and is total cap hit was something to the tune of 1 million.

I was simply saying that Brady was a bargain at the Quarterback position, and the numbers play that out. I also stated that those salaries afforded his team extra leeway compared to the teams with top paid QBs ( Wilson was not even top 10 in QB pay until 2018 ). Brady could have been among the top earners, as he was up for contract negotiation twice since 2013. Also recall a lot of my comparisons was from Brady's cap hit compared to the top QB's, which in most cases the differential was in excess of 10 million per year. Once again Wilson wasn't even top 10 in salary until 2018.

My original point still stands, Brady has been a bargain at the QB position (so was Wilson), end of story. That is the point I was making with my original post. It shouldn't even be an argument that Brady IS taking a pretty steep discount, because he is compared to what he could be getting.
 

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The market is SET. If you are lucky enough to get a franchise you KEEP him no matter what.

We have that guy, were lucky to have him.

It can't be more simple, KEEP RUSSELL WILSON. Pay HIM.

Case CLOSED.
 

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Spin Doctor":3lnr46ap said:
My original point still stands, Brady has been a bargain at the QB position (so was Wilson), end of story. That is the point I was making with my original post. It shouldn't even be an argument that Brady IS taking a pretty steep discount, because he is compared to what he could be getting.

There is no point when you're comparing an outlier to the norm.

Wilson is not Brady, just like every other player in the league is not Brady, nor should be expected to take less like Brady. So people should stop holding Brady's contract up as to what they expect Russell to do, or any player to do.
 

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Fade":2varyaye said:
Spin Doctor":2varyaye said:
I was just stating that Brady was a bargain at the QB position, that is not wrong, no? Even this data you just posted, since Brady was re-upped in 2016 he has earned a total 9.8 million less than Wilson has thus far. This is also including hitting performance incentives for going to the SuperBowl and such.

Another thing to take into consideration is that in 2015 Russell was still playing out the last year of his rookie contract. He got a signing bonus but his base salary was still only 700k. In 2016 that base salary ballooned to 12 million along with the a similar 6 million dollar signing bonus once his old contract was up. Really his second contract begun in 2016: https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/seattle-sea ... lson-9885/

Wilson was signed to a pretty good deal IMO compared to a lot of the other QB's. Even still Brady got even less than Wilson did over that duration. Both Brady's and Wilson's new contract begun in 2016, and Brady was a QB that was just coming off of a SuperBowl win a year ago, plus a QB that had two MVP's and a long history of being productive under his belt with no signs of slowing down. He could have demanded to be the top paid QB in the NFL, but he didn't do that. It is pretty clear that Brady was taking a pay cut. Despite Wilson being signed to a relatively team friendly contract, Brady still earned 9.8 million dollars less than Wilson did since both of their contract extensions begun in 2016 (not including 2019).

Now, if you compare Brady to someone like Rodgers, or perhaps Matt Ryan, Flacco, etc you'd see that the disparity grew even larger. For example in 2016 Eli Manning was the highest paid QB and there was around a 10 million dollar differential between Brady, and Manning for just that one season. In the next season, Brady was making 10 million dollars less than Flacco, the highest paid QB. Wilson, too was making far less than those guys, but the contrast was even steeper between Brady and the top paid players.

In fact, the last year Tom Brady was even in the top 10 salary range for QB's was way back in 2013. That year he was the 5th highest paid QB. The year before in 2012 he was the 16th highest paid QB, in 2011 he was once again in the top 10 sitting at number 8, and he was top five once again in 2010.

So, since 2010 he has only been in the top 10 highest paid QBs list three times, all of those coming at the beginning of the decade (2010, 2011, 2013). Since 2013 he has not even touched the top 10 salary list for Quarterbacks, and he has signed three separate contracts, and has probably had just as many contract restructures since then. Before 2010 Brady was consistently in the top 5 highest paid QB's. With this data I think it is pretty cut and dry that Brady has given his team a substantial discount over the years compared to what he could be garnering. Now, in 2019 he is once again going to be a top 5 paid QB. So, for the entirety of the 2010's he has been only reached top 10 status four times including this upcoming season.

Wilson also signed a contract friendly, bargain contract, but in my previous statement I was talking about how Brady was a bargain compared to what most of the league is paying for their QB's, and that has been the truth in the 2010s, especially in the later half where he hasn't even reached top 10 pay status, and had disparities of 10 million or greater in salary between the top QBs since 2013, despite being up for contract renegotiation twice in that five year duration from 2013 - 2018.

Salary Cap hit is all that matters. The rest is irrelevant.

At the end of the day. Russell Wilson has cost less than Tom Brady against the salary cap in total during Wilson's 2nd contract (2015-2019).

The numbers prove that.

15 +7M
16 -4.8M
17 -600K
18 -1.7M
19 +2.7M

Feel free to continue to argue against the math, damage control, and come up with more straw-man arguments if you like. Russell Wilson has been a bargain for years, and you have argued other wise for years... because... because... Tom Brady takes less. :D Who Wilson technically cost less than against the cap this whole time.

This isn't an isolated comment. You have been arguing this for years. Not anymore.

He (and others that bring up Brady) are also ignoring the little arrangement between Brady and the Patriots that provides Brady an additional source of income that comes straight from the Patriots organization but does not count against the salary cap and isn't included as part of Brady's contract.

Article here: https://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/2015 ... story.html

Some quotes from that article:

The Patriots, in an unusual departure from National Football League practice, have created a revenue stream for a private business owned by their franchise quarterback, Tom Brady, and a partner who faced federal sanctions after falsely presenting himself as a medical doctor and deceptively promoting nutritional supplements.

The NFL says it is aware of the arrangement and has taken no action, despite questions from some specialists in sports law and economics about whether teams should pay for services by for-profit companies owned by their active players and whether the relationship provides value to Brady that should be counted against the club’s salary cap.

The Patriots could be seen as providing additional value by effectively partnering with Brady’s therapy center, while other physical therapy companies pay large sums to sponsor NFL teams such as the Philadelphia Eagles and Chicago Bears.

As for additional value, Rascher said, “It is a big deal for medical groups to be the official providers for professional teams. They pay handsomely for that privilege.’’

Discussion here: viewtopic.php?f=2&t=153442&p=2261172#p2261172

I really wish people would quit bringing up Brady and his team friendly contract without telling the whole story. It's just really, really disingenuous.
 

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