Russell Wilson: passing problems

[SeaChase]

Go look at our games down the stretch. How many times did Lynch go over a 100 yards and yet we kept winning? How was the running game in the Super Bowl? Do those games not count because they don't fit your narrative? So if you want to talk about stating the obvious quit using a generic NFL stat and actually go look at the actual team that you are arguing about and see what really happened.

I love Lynch and I want the running game emphasized as much as anyone. If the running game is clicking your chances of winning are much higher. But to say if the running game falters we are screwed because Wilson can't carry us when he CLEARLY has carried us at times is beyond stupid, especially for fans who claim to watch and follow the Seahawks.

Again look at those games. I bet the Defense had more to do with it than Wilson.

 

[Ozzy]

So Wilson had nothing to do with it? How did Wilson do in the Atlanta playoff game when the put it all on him? He played lights out.

Again are you saying Wilson isn't capable and has never carried this team in games where the running game was shut down?

The anti-Wilson crowd is baffling to me. Especially with the history of QB play this organization has had to deal with. We are lucky to have a QB like Wilson. Give him some weapons and see what happens....

 

[Anthony!]

So Wilson had nothing to do with it? How did Wilson do in the Atlanta playoff game when the put it all on him? He played lights out.

Again are you saying Wilson isn't capable and has never carried this team in games where the running game was shut down?

The anti-Wilson crowd is baffling to me. Especially with the history of QB play this organization has had to deal with. We are lucky to have a QB like Wilson. Give him some weapons and see what happens....

He cannot be saying Wilson has never carried the team because that would be wrong. Even against the Giants Wilson had a huge positive impact on the game, his running was as important as MLs.

You see one problem with some here, is they want Wilson to only be a drop back form the pocket passer. Which as I have shown with facts and stats he can do very well, however the oline is not condusive to him doing it all the time as it is not good at pass blocking, this is not debatable it is a stone cold fact. Add to the fact that a select few whom I have foed want him to fail and there you go with the anti-Wilson crowd. They would prefer we not have won the SB then Wilson succeeding. The fact is without Wilson we do not get to or win the SB, and they cannot stand it, they have set by for the first 6 weeks waiting for and hoping he would go through a rough patch. Also remember they were the same ones saying that when he was playing well it was about everyone else, not him and now that he is playing bad it is only about him.

All that said they will figure It out, it may be an injury, however even if there is an injury there are other factual issues with the pass offense that need to be fixed.

 

[SeaChase]

So Wilson had nothing to do with it? How did Wilson do in the Atlanta playoff game when the put it all on him? He played lights out.

Again are you saying Wilson isn't capable and has never carried this team in games where the running game was shut down?

The anti-Wilson crowd is baffling to me. Especially with the history of QB play this organization has had to deal with. We are lucky to have a QB like Wilson. Give him some weapons and see what happens....

You like to stereo type and put words in peoples mouths huh? I never said he didn't help. Let me try what you do. You're claiming that having a top 5 defense doesn't help a team win games? Wait let me guess another garbage stat.

What I think the real issue is is that Hawk fans have never had a great QB. So when they finally get a decent one, they praise him like he's Tom Brady. Some on this board say he's a top 3 QB lol...homerism.

 

[Anthony!]

So Wilson had nothing to do with it? How did Wilson do in the Atlanta playoff game when the put it all on him? He played lights out.

Again are you saying Wilson isn't capable and has never carried this team in games where the running game was shut down?

The anti-Wilson crowd is baffling to me. Especially with the history of QB play this organization has had to deal with. We are lucky to have a QB like Wilson. Give him some weapons and see what happens....

You like to stereo type and put words in peoples mouths huh? I never said he didn't help. Let me try what you do. You're claiming that having a top 5 defense doesn't help a team win games? Wait let me guess another garbage stat.

What I think the real issue is is that Hawk fans have never had a great QB. So when they finally get a decent one, they praise him like he's Tom Brady. Some on this board say he's a top 3 QB lol...homerism.

No but he is top 5-10 and with as much talent around him as those other top QBs have he is top 5 no doubt

 

[SeaChase]

There was more talent around him until they were traded away. But their success on other teams has zero reflection does it? I don't buy that's it's ALL because it's a different system. Sure some of it is but not all. As I've stated before, a WR is as only as good his QB. Some Qb's make unknowns great while some Qb's make some great WR's suck. Larry Fitzgerald is an example of that.

 

[Anthony!]

There was more talent around him until they were traded away. But their success on other teams has zero reflection does it? I don't buy that's it's ALL because it's a different system. Sure some of it is but not all. As I've stated before, a WR is as only as good his QB. Some Qb's make unknowns great while some Qb's make some great WR's suck. Larry Fitzgerald is an example of that.

Who was traded away exactly at WR? Harvin is not a WR or at least we were not using as 1. Tate left. And you can not buy it all you want but it is a fact and a fact you cannot change. Wilson has less talent around him then other top QBs, it is undeniable.

http://www.fieldgulls.com/2014/11/6/716 ... elp-bandit

Luck – 3rd pass blocking o-line and has TY Hilton, Wyane, Nicks to throw to
P Manning- 2nd pass blocking o-line and he has Thomas, Welker, Sanders
Brady 7th ranked pass blocking o-line (ours is now ranked 28th) and he has Gronk, Edelman
Rodger o-line ranked 17th in pass blocking and has Nelson, Cobb to throw to
Brees o-line ranked 6th and he has Graham, cooks, Colson,
Ryan 12th pass blocking o-line and he has Hester, Jones, White, Smith
Rivers 11th o-line, and he has Gates, Floyd, Royal, Allen

Wilson 22nd ranked pass blocking oline and he has Baldwin, Kearse, TE-Wilson,


and FYI most of these Wr these other QBs have were great before they got with these QBs. Wayne is a HOF WR and was before Luck, Nicks was a really good wr and was before Luck. Welker and Thomas as well. Edelman was also a really good Wr before Brady and I can go on and on.


You can not buy it all you want but you have not factual information to support not buying other than just not wanting to buy it. I know you need this to be all Wilsons fault but the facts show it is not, it is partial his, but not all his. As the facts show all the great QBs have really good to great WR and at least 1 go to guy that can always get open and make plays on the ball Wilson does not have that. Give Wilson a Dex Bryant and this whole conversation is not happen, that throw to Baldwin is not an Int but a TD, same on the throw to Richardson. But he does not have a guy making plays. Sorry but these are facts and you have every right to not buy them but that does not change the fact they are true.

 

[Jacknut16]

There was more talent around him until they were traded away. But their success on other teams has zero reflection does it? I don't buy that's it's ALL because it's a different system. Sure some of it is but not all. As I've stated before, a WR is as only as good his QB. Some Qb's make unknowns great while some Qb's make some great WR's suck. Larry Fitzgerald is an example of that.

Who was traded away exactly at WR? Harvin is not a WR or at least we were not using as 1. Tate left. And you can not buy it all you want but it is a fact and a fact you cannot change. Wilson has less talent around him then other top QBs, it is undeniable.

http://www.fieldgulls.com/2014/11/6/716 ... elp-bandit

Luck – 3rd pass blocking o-line and has TY Hilton, Wyane, Nicks to throw to
P Manning- 2nd pass blocking o-line and he has Thomas, Welker, Sanders
Brady 7th ranked pass blocking o-line (ours is now ranked 28th) and he has Gronk, Edelman
Rodger o-line ranked 17th in pass blocking and has Nelson, Cobb to throw to
Brees o-line ranked 6th and he has Graham, cooks, Colson,
Ryan 12th pass blocking o-line and he has Hester, Jones, White, Smith
Rivers 11th o-line, and he has Gates, Floyd, Royal, Allen

Wilson 22nd ranked pass blocking oline and he has Baldwin, Kearse, TE-Wilson,


and FYI most of these Wr these other QBs have were great before they got with these QBs. Wayne is a HOF WR and was before Luck, Nicks was a really good wr and was before Luck. Welker and Thomas as well. Edelman was also a really good Wr before Brady and I can go on and on.


You can not buy it all you want but you have not factual information to support not buying other than just not wanting to buy it. I know you need this to be all Wilsons fault but the facts show it is not, it is partial his, but not all his. As the facts show all the great QBs have really good to great WR and at least 1 go to guy that can always get open and make plays on the ball Wilson does not have that. Give Wilson a Dex Bryant and this whole conversation is not happen, that throw to Baldwin is not an Int but a TD, same on the throw to Richardson. But he does not have a guy making plays. Sorry but these are facts and you have every right to not buy them but that does not change the fact they are true.

He doesnt need to be Manning , Brady or Rodgers.

If he makes good throws on the two INTs, and the missed deep pass to Kearse, then all is fine.

But the fact is he is not accurate at times, and I think some of us overestimated his accuracy. That throw on the second INT was just ... troubling. The first INT MUST be thrown to the outside since the defender is on the inside.

If he makes those passes, which top 10 QBs normally do, then there is no problem. The WRs arent great, the Oline isnt great, but Wilson makes all those problems go away with better play, as many other QBs in this league do with good play.
He is the only player on the team that can improve things immediately by simple execution. He isnt doing that, and he hasnt for a while, this is why you have people concerned over it.

If he cant hit Kearse or stop throwing those INTs then it doesnt matter how good the WRs or the Oline IS OR ISNT.

Try to comprehend that please.

 

[Anthony!]

Anthony its futile. People can't see through the trees.

My favorite post is the "everything is fine until our run game gets shut down". Yeah because Wilson struggled terribly when our running game was bottled up(probably the same crowd that kept saying Lynch is obviously done) and Wilson was carrying the offense on his way to a Super Bowl.

Yeah but you still need to make the good fight and counter their factless statements with facts showing they are wrong.

 

[Jacknut16]

Anthony its futile. People can't see through the trees.

My favorite post is the "everything is fine until our run game gets shut down". Yeah because Wilson struggled terribly when our running game was bottled up(probably the same crowd that kept saying Lynch is obviously done) and Wilson was carrying the offense on his way to a Super Bowl.

Yeah but you still need to make the good fight and counter their factless statements with facts showing they are wrong.

Damn the rest of the terrible team, and who cares if we lose as long as Wilson looks good!

 

[SeaChase]

There was more talent around him until they were traded away. But their success on other teams has zero reflection does it? I don't buy that's it's ALL because it's a different system. Sure some of it is but not all. As I've stated before, a WR is as only as good his QB. Some Qb's make unknowns great while some Qb's make some great WR's suck. Larry Fitzgerald is an example of that.

Who was traded away exactly at WR? Harvin is not a WR or at least we were not using as 1. Tate left. And you can not buy it all you want but it is a fact and a fact you cannot change. Wilson has less talent around him then other top QBs, it is undeniable.

http://www.fieldgulls.com/2014/11/6/716 ... elp-bandit

Luck – 3rd pass blocking o-line and has TY Hilton, Wyane, Nicks to throw to
P Manning- 2nd pass blocking o-line and he has Thomas, Welker, Sanders
Brady 7th ranked pass blocking o-line (ours is now ranked 28th) and he has Gronk, Edelman
Rodger o-line ranked 17th in pass blocking and has Nelson, Cobb to throw to
Brees o-line ranked 6th and he has Graham, cooks, Colson,
Ryan 12th pass blocking o-line and he has Hester, Jones, White, Smith
Rivers 11th o-line, and he has Gates, Floyd, Royal, Allen

Wilson 22nd ranked pass blocking oline and he has Baldwin, Kearse, TE-Wilson,


and FYI most of these Wr these other QBs have were great before they got with these QBs. Wayne is a HOF WR and was before Luck, Nicks was a really good wr and was before Luck. Welker and Thomas as well. Edelman was also a really good Wr before Brady and I can go on and on.


You can not buy it all you want but you have not factual information to support not buying other than just not wanting to buy it. I know you need this to be all Wilsons fault but the facts show it is not, it is partial his, but not all his. As the facts show all the great QBs have really good to great WR and at least 1 go to guy that can always get open and make plays on the ball Wilson does not have that. Give Wilson a Dex Bryant and this whole conversation is not happen, that throw to Baldwin is not an Int but a TD, same on the throw to Richardson. But he does not have a guy making plays. Sorry but these are facts and you have every right to not buy them but that does not change the fact they are true.

Not facts. Peyton made WR's good before luck, and has done the same for Broncos players with the exception of Welker. How good was Welker before Brady? How good was Baldwin with Hassleback? How Good is Decker in NY? And Most of these WR's were not good before playing with their respective QB. Colson and Graham were who before the Saints? I could pick your "facts" apart all day but thanks for trying to test my football knowledge.

 

[StoneCold]

Thank goodness Brady and Manning and Luck never throw interceptions or we might have to bench them.

SC

 

[Cartire]

Not facts. Peyton made WR's good before luck, and has done the same for Broncos players with the exception of Welker. How good was Welker before Brady? How good was Baldwin with Hassleback? How Good is Decker in NY? And Most of these WR's were not good before playing with their respective QB. Colson and Graham were who before the Saints? I could pick your "facts" apart all day but thanks for trying to test my football knowledge.

-Uhhhh, there was no Baldwin with Hasselback.
-Welker was averaging 13 ypc in the 2 years with Miami before going to New England and averaging 10 ypc.
-Both Jimmy and Colston have only ever played with the Saints.

Dude, if youre going to pick facts apart, make sure you know the facts. This is a very sad post.

 

[SeaChase]

Not facts. Peyton made WR's good before luck, and has done the same for Broncos players with the exception of Welker. How good was Welker before Brady? How good was Baldwin with Hassleback? How Good is Decker in NY? And Most of these WR's were not good before playing with their respective QB. Colson and Graham were who before the Saints? I could pick your "facts" apart all day but thanks for trying to test my football knowledge.

-Uhhhh, there was no Baldwin with Hasselback.
-Welker was averaging 13 ypc in the 2 years with Miami before going to New England and averaging 10 ypc.
-Both Jimmy and Colston have only ever played with the Saints.

Dude, if youre going to pick facts apart, make sure you know the facts. This is a very sad post.

Really, Baldwin was an undrafted free agent in 2011, this is his 4th year, Wilson's third. Or was that Jackson..

You are missing the point as well. Brees made Colston and Graham, which is my point and fact.

 

[rcaido]

Not facts. Peyton made WR's good before luck, and has done the same for Broncos players with the exception of Welker. How good was Welker before Brady? How good was Baldwin with Hassleback? How Good is Decker in NY? And Most of these WR's were not good before playing with their respective QB. Colson and Graham were who before the Saints? I could pick your "facts" apart all day but thanks for trying to test my football knowledge.

-Uhhhh, there was no Baldwin with Hasselback.
-Welker was averaging 13 ypc in the 2 years with Miami before going to New England and averaging 10 ypc.
-Both Jimmy and Colston have only ever played with the Saints.

Dude, if youre going to pick facts apart, make sure you know the facts. This is a very sad post.

Really, Baldwin was an undrafted free agent in 2011, this is his 4th year, Wilson's third. Or was that Jackson..

You are missing the point as well. Brees made Colston and Graham, which is my point and fact.

Yeah before Wilson we had jumping Jack T. Jack & Clipboard Jesus Charlie Whitehurst.

 

[Cartire]

Not facts. Peyton made WR's good before luck, and has done the same for Broncos players with the exception of Welker. How good was Welker before Brady? How good was Baldwin with Hassleback? How Good is Decker in NY? And Most of these WR's were not good before playing with their respective QB. Colson and Graham were who before the Saints? I could pick your "facts" apart all day but thanks for trying to test my football knowledge.

-Uhhhh, there was no Baldwin with Hasselback.
-Welker was averaging 13 ypc in the 2 years with Miami before going to New England and averaging 10 ypc.
-Both Jimmy and Colston have only ever played with the Saints.

Dude, if youre going to pick facts apart, make sure you know the facts. This is a very sad post.

Really, Baldwin was an undrafted free agent in 2011, this is his 4th year, Wilson's third. Or was that Jackson..

You are missing the point as well. Brees made Colston and Graham, which is my point and fact.

Well, you already admitted you were wrong, because you forgot it was Jackson. I showed you welker was legit before Brady.

And now you are SUBJECTIVELY saying the word fact about Brees making Colston and Graham. Ill give you a maybe on Colston, but you are crazy if you think Graham isnt an elite TE who would flourish on most teams.

So I dont think Im missing the point at all. Your points were all incorrect. Therefor, I think it is you that missed the point.

 

[Rocket]

Not facts. Peyton made WR's good before luck, and has done the same for Broncos players with the exception of Welker. How good was Welker before Brady? How good was Baldwin with Hassleback? How Good is Decker in NY? And Most of these WR's were not good before playing with their respective QB. Colson and Graham were who before the Saints? I could pick your "facts" apart all day but thanks for trying to test my football knowledge.

This is why I love this place. I can learn facts about football that I didn't know, I can laugh outrageously at some really funny stuff and I can offer my opinion as fact with a non-existent supporting cast.

Having said that, however, Danger has me worried, cuz he's a bit "off". Am I ready to trade him in for Clipboard Jesus? Hell no, it's only a couple of interceptions or bad throws.
Am I completely comfortable about Arrowhead and cold and snow? Not completely, but somewhat, cuz he's a freakin' robot and he did more at Wisconsin than play around big dudes... he played in freakin' COLD cold.
He's gonna improve, he's gonna slay his demon. That I know. We also have a smokin' running back who is ready for a snow game or a warm game or whatever. Plus, as witnessed recently, Danger can still run like the wind.
And there's more to the D than Mebane, who we will miss.

 

[ZagHawk]

Anyone think RW just needs to get laid? he's got PLENTY of groupies to choose from, but since his divorce there's nothing about any ladies in his life at all (and that kind of stuff gets around the rumor mill). I think 95% of us are men here and can somewhat relate a long dry spell can sometimes throw you in a funk lol.

 

[Anthony!]

There was more talent around him until they were traded away. But their success on other teams has zero reflection does it? I don't buy that's it's ALL because it's a different system. Sure some of it is but not all. As I've stated before, a WR is as only as good his QB. Some Qb's make unknowns great while some Qb's make some great WR's suck. Larry Fitzgerald is an example of that.

Who was traded away exactly at WR? Harvin is not a WR or at least we were not using as 1. Tate left. And you can not buy it all you want but it is a fact and a fact you cannot change. Wilson has less talent around him then other top QBs, it is undeniable.

http://www.fieldgulls.com/2014/11/6/716 ... elp-bandit

Luck – 3rd pass blocking o-line and has TY Hilton, Wyane, Nicks to throw to
P Manning- 2nd pass blocking o-line and he has Thomas, Welker, Sanders
Brady 7th ranked pass blocking o-line (ours is now ranked 28th) and he has Gronk, Edelman
Rodger o-line ranked 17th in pass blocking and has Nelson, Cobb to throw to
Brees o-line ranked 6th and he has Graham, cooks, Colson,
Ryan 12th pass blocking o-line and he has Hester, Jones, White, Smith
Rivers 11th o-line, and he has Gates, Floyd, Royal, Allen

Wilson 22nd ranked pass blocking oline and he has Baldwin, Kearse, TE-Wilson,


and FYI most of these Wr these other QBs have were great before they got with these QBs. Wayne is a HOF WR and was before Luck, Nicks was a really good wr and was before Luck. Welker and Thomas as well. Edelman was also a really good Wr before Brady and I can go on and on.


You can not buy it all you want but you have not factual information to support not buying other than just not wanting to buy it. I know you need this to be all Wilsons fault but the facts show it is not, it is partial his, but not all his. As the facts show all the great QBs have really good to great WR and at least 1 go to guy that can always get open and make plays on the ball Wilson does not have that. Give Wilson a Dex Bryant and this whole conversation is not happen, that throw to Baldwin is not an Int but a TD, same on the throw to Richardson. But he does not have a guy making plays. Sorry but these are facts and you have every right to not buy them but that does not change the fact they are true.

Not facts. Peyton made WR's good before luck, and has done the same for Broncos players with the exception of Welker. How good was Welker before Brady? How good was Baldwin with Hassleback? How Good is Decker in NY? And Most of these WR's were not good before playing with their respective QB. Colson and Graham were who before the Saints? I could pick your "facts" apart all day but thanks for trying to test my football knowledge.

Nice try dude nothing you said changes the facts I outlined to include the olines. Just to prove my point Baldwin did not play with Hass. Baldwin rookie year was 2001 Hass was in Tenn, So thanks for playing but the facts still show all those QBs have way more talent around them then Wilson.

 

[Anthony!]

Not facts. Peyton made WR's good before luck, and has done the same for Broncos players with the exception of Welker. How good was Welker before Brady? How good was Baldwin with Hassleback? How Good is Decker in NY? And Most of these WR's were not good before playing with their respective QB. Colson and Graham were who before the Saints? I could pick your "facts" apart all day but thanks for trying to test my football knowledge.

-Uhhhh, there was no Baldwin with Hasselback.
-Welker was averaging 13 ypc in the 2 years with Miami before going to New England and averaging 10 ypc.
-Both Jimmy and Colston have only ever played with the Saints.

Dude, if youre going to pick facts apart, make sure you know the facts. This is a very sad post.

Really, Baldwin was an undrafted free agent in 2011, this is his 4th year, Wilson's third. Or was that Jackson..

You are missing the point as well. Brees made Colston and Graham, which is my point and fact.

No the point is you tried to say I was wrong with my facts but in reality you were wrong. And nothing changes the facts that all those Wr/TW are more talented than anything we have.