Bigpumpkin":1tu2crcz said:Comparing Russ to Tom Brady, who just became one of the oldest active QB in the history of the NFL, provides an interesting contrast. Tom is 6 inches taller and quite thin and Russ has packed on the weight in the past two years to slow him down noticeably. It is highly unlikely that Russ will still be playing when he is 43.
It really is exhausting isn't it? At this point I'm almost wish they'd just burn it down so we don't have to hear about it anymore. The hate Russ/love Russ, hate Pete/love Pete battle can move to the NFL sub and we can move on to a fresh new set of people to have the same arguments about. :3-1:Scorpion05":23l42fe7 said:Then trade him. Being a Seahawks fan and arguing about this every week is exhausting. Trade Russ and let him succeed elsewhere. Sign or draft the QB you’re absolutely sure would out produce him.
groundchucklives":2wyni6z4 said:Bigpumpkin":2wyni6z4 said:Comparing Russ to Tom Brady, who just became one of the oldest active QB in the history of the NFL, provides an interesting contrast. Tom is 6 inches taller and quite thin and Russ has packed on the weight in the past two years to slow him down noticeably. It is highly unlikely that Russ will still be playing when he is 43.
This X1000. Russ has become kinda chunky the past 2-3 years. No way that has NOT had an effect on his wheels!
AKSeahawks":21edbaxp said:The thing I see with Russ is that he has too much things going on outside of football. From opening up a school, BLM, clothing line, superstar wife, podcast, etc... All great things and goals for him to accomplish but as a football player it feels like a big distraction trying to manage all things at once. I'm sure he has managers to help him but from his interviews this pass season, it feels like he is leaning towards and pushing his agenda other than solely focusing on football
keasley45":2btk5etp said:20210103_175554 by J_Otte, on Flickr
20210103_175623 by J_Otte, on Flickr
So who's fault was this? Pete or Schotty's?
This happened far to manytimes to count this year. Every game is full of them, starting with the first loss to Arizona. Russ either cant, or wont throw timing routes, hots, close to the line or crossers and defenses know it. They've given us that oart of the field week after week and even when the plays are there, we dont pull the trigger.
keasley45":14zpq5qd said:20210103_175554 by J_Otte, on Flickr
20210103_175623 by J_Otte, on Flickr
So who's fault was this? Pete or Schotty's?
This happened far to manytimes to count this year. Every game is full of them, starting with the first loss to Arizona. Russ either cant, or wont throw timing routes, hots, close to the line or crossers and defenses know it. They've given us that oart of the field week after week and even when the plays are there, we dont pull the trigger.
The height factor is real and has always been the case,it was just easy to hide with movementkeasley45":3d618ehb said:FearTheHawk":3d618ehb said:All true. I'm also going to say it. Russ's height is an issue. Now that he's slowed down and defenses have schemed for him, his height is starting to become a huge issue. Not hitting hot routes over the middle is devastating when facing a good D line. He can't hit slants. and teams have figured out how to attack outside routes while pressuring Russ and he and Pete haven't adjusted in the slightest.
This. For all the folks who seem to think the season tanked just because Pete reeled it in, if that's true, it should have just gone back to what its always been, because it was never what we saw through week 6 this year. And why is it when we have an o-line that ranks better than the abysmal o lines we had under Cable, is the QB performance worse. And for the love of God, can we please stop pretending that Russ is just a victim of the playcall, as if he is just handed the plan on Sunday and isn't involved in selecting what we run.
I don't know 100% why we abandoned shallow and mid passes, or seemed incapable of hitting hot routes to beat pressure. But I do know that those plays were there on many occasions for the taking. And we left them. Russ held the ball longer this year than I've seen in his career. Commentators commented on it and stated many times that he just needs to get the ball out. Pete even commented several times over the season that sometimes you have to take what a defense gives you. We didn't do that all year. And I think it's finally come to the point that what tge defenses give us, Russ simply can't take. He can't see it, so he can't feel it, can't trust it, and with his fear of the turnover, won't throw it. That's as much the issue as anything else and certainly more plausible than this conspiracy theory that has Pete squashing a dynamic o in favor of one that mandates we either run the ball or throw deep.
Also hate to say it but I also think the early season success also went to Russ's head and that he bought into the media's mvp hype. I mean when ever hS it been his character to AGREE when asked that we should be MVP? I think he's responsible as anyone for wanting to constantly hit the deep ball and constantly feed DK.. who btw has for sure bought into his hype. On a day like yesterday when mixing up the pass attack was one way to loosen up the Rams D, Russ forced the ball to DK far too often.
I think its entirely insane to lay the blame for the offense's failures at Pete or Schotty 's feet when so much of the evidence points to qb played uncharacteristically poorly this year, with more tools than he has ever had at his disposal.
IndyHawk":1ebzec9t said:The height factor is real and has always been the case,it was just easy to hide with movementkeasley45":1ebzec9t said:FearTheHawk":1ebzec9t said:All true. I'm also going to say it. Russ's height is an issue. Now that he's slowed down and defenses have schemed for him, his height is starting to become a huge issue. Not hitting hot routes over the middle is devastating when facing a good D line. He can't hit slants. and teams have figured out how to attack outside routes while pressuring Russ and he and Pete haven't adjusted in the slightest.
This. For all the folks who seem to think the season tanked just because Pete reeled it in, if that's true, it should have just gone back to what its always been, because it was never what we saw through week 6 this year. And why is it when we have an o-line that ranks better than the abysmal o lines we had under Cable, is the QB performance worse. And for the love of God, can we please stop pretending that Russ is just a victim of the playcall, as if he is just handed the plan on Sunday and isn't involved in selecting what we run.
I don't know 100% why we abandoned shallow and mid passes, or seemed incapable of hitting hot routes to beat pressure. But I do know that those plays were there on many occasions for the taking. And we left them. Russ held the ball longer this year than I've seen in his career. Commentators commented on it and stated many times that he just needs to get the ball out. Pete even commented several times over the season that sometimes you have to take what a defense gives you. We didn't do that all year. And I think it's finally come to the point that what tge defenses give us, Russ simply can't take. He can't see it, so he can't feel it, can't trust it, and with his fear of the turnover, won't throw it. That's as much the issue as anything else and certainly more plausible than this conspiracy theory that has Pete squashing a dynamic o in favor of one that mandates we either run the ball or throw deep.
Also hate to say it but I also think the early season success also went to Russ's head and that he bought into the media's mvp hype. I mean when ever hS it been his character to AGREE when asked that we should be MVP? I think he's responsible as anyone for wanting to constantly hit the deep ball and constantly feed DK.. who btw has for sure bought into his hype. On a day like yesterday when mixing up the pass attack was one way to loosen up the Rams D, Russ forced the ball to DK far too often.
I think its entirely insane to lay the blame for the offense's failures at Pete or Schotty 's feet when so much of the evidence points to qb played uncharacteristically poorly this year, with more tools than he has ever had at his disposal.
out of pocket and shotgun.
I tried to point this out over the years...No quick slants or passes down the middle ect
while you may have seen one it was rare and the reason is not the OC or PC.
Defenses learn these things and take away even more of a limited field.The slower RW
makes all this worse..It sucks to see but we are seeing it more and more.
FearTheHawk":jcn28ixu said:All true. I'm also going to say it. Russ's height is an issue. Now that he's slowed down and defenses have schemed for him, his height is starting to become a huge issue. Not hitting hot routes over the middle is devastating when facing a good D line. He can't hit slants. and teams have figured out how to attack outside routes while pressuring Russ and he and Pete haven't adjusted in the slightest.
FearTheHawk":2rrh71hd said:All true. I'm also going to say it. Russ's height is an issue. Now that he's slowed down and defenses have schemed for him, his height is starting to become a huge issue. Not hitting hot routes over the middle is devastating when facing a good D line. He can't hit slants. and teams have figured out how to attack outside routes while pressuring Russ and he and Pete haven't adjusted in the slightest.