Russell Okung signs with Broncos ($53m/5yr OR $5m/1yr)

[IndyHawk]

I think the FO is aware we need a line.We will be using that awesome spread attack full time now and I have faith in this new year the line will fit in decent with our offense.

 

[Hawks46]

The worst part of this for me:

[tweet]https://twitter.com/DavisHsuSeattle/status/710566876456165376[/tweet]

Sure, it would have been nice if he went to a tackle-needy team who pick before us but looking at this draft there's more chance of there being a very good tackle at #26 than a great edge d-lineman.

Beat me to it. This draft is very light on high end edge rushers. We won't get one at 26, and we likely won't get a dominant 3T DT at that slot either.

We're looking at a Ifedi, Coleman, Conklin type Tackle at our spot which would be just fine.

The DT's that will be available will be the quality available in the 2nd or 3rd rounds anyways.

 

[HawkFan72]

How is that the poison pill all over again?

This is why it's similar. The way the contract is structured made it impossible for Seattle to match it without having to make some major rearranging on the roster.

[tweet]https://twitter.com/DavisHsuSeattle/status/710571941388627968[/tweet]

[tweet]https://twitter.com/DavisHsuSeattle/status/710572193361432576[/tweet]

 

[Jville]

A one year deal with a floor of $5M and a ceiling of $8M sounds like a deal for Denver. Who cares at this point in time if that 4 year option is actually executed. That will take care of itself down the road ..... when they have the option of a four year extension or harvesting a compensatory pick.

That John Elway is a bold GM. He has quickly moved down the learning curve.

 

[James in PA]

Ryan Clady time!

 

[bjornanderson21]

This looks like a deal negotiated by the player...nothing professional about it.

He signed a 1-year deal with a 4 year option.

No agent would recommend their client take a deal like that at this point in their career.

Guaranteed money is the holy grail, and Okung just signed a deal with very little guaranteed.

The broncos got a great deal in the sense that the only season he's guaranteed to be under contract is 2016, and they can evaluate him better and see if he keeps getting injured.

If okung gets injured again they WILL NOT pick up the option, and now they have a year to work on their contingency plan.

Broncos only made a bad signing if Okung can't even live up to the $8m he'll make this year.

 

[LudwigsDrummer]

This is nothing more than a 1 year deal, $5million guaranteed, with a chance to push it to a total of $8million the 1st year.
This was Okung's market value.
If Okung is valuable to DEN next year, he get's $12million per year, 4 years, $20million guaranteed.

 

[Jville]

^^^ $5 million ....... that's the floor.

 

[seabowl]

This looks like a deal negotiated by the player...nothing professional about it.

He signed a 1-year deal with a 4 year option.

No agent would recommend their client take a deal like that at this point in their career.

Guaranteed money is the holy grail, and Okung just signed a deal with very little guaranteed.

The broncos got a great deal in the sense that the only season he's guaranteed to be under contract is 2016, and they can evaluate him better and see if he keeps getting injured.

If okung gets injured again they WILL NOT pick up the option, and now they have a year to work on their contingency plan.

Broncos only made a bad signing if Okung can't even live up to the $8m he'll make this year.

Agree. The problem with a player negotiating is that emotions come into play. Okung probably believes that he will perform well and that he will stay healthy hence the Broncos holding onto him after year 1. An agent in most cases does not think this way and wants the largest guaranteed $ for their client and wouldn't risk it.

 

[bjornanderson21]

A one year deal with a floor of $5M and a ceiling of $8M sounds like a deal for Denver. Who cares at this point in time if that 4 year option is actually executed. That will take care of itself down the road ..... when they have the option of a four year extension or harvesting a compensatory pick.

That John Elway is a bold GM. He has quickly moved down the learning curve.

I don't think teams can get a comp pick if they decline a player's option, just like they can't if they release the player. Also supposedly you don't get comp picks if you signed a player for one year and then leave.

Denver isn't getting a comp pick from Okung unless he plays all 5 years and then leaves

 

[Jville]

Is it possible John Elway & Company just introduced a new tool to the Seahawks.
[tweet]https://twitter.com/DavisHsuSeattle/status/710603004747993088[/tweet]
[tweet]https://twitter.com/DavisHsuSeattle/status/710604193942282240[/tweet]
I suppose only time will tell if they add it to their tool box.

 

[Jville]

A one year deal with a floor of $5M and a ceiling of $8M sounds like a deal for Denver. Who cares at this point in time if that 4 year option is actually executed. That will take care of itself down the road ..... when they have the option of a four year extension or harvesting a compensatory pick.

That John Elway is a bold GM. He has quickly moved down the learning curve.

I don't think teams can get a comp pick if they decline a player's option, just like they can't if they release the player. Also supposedly you don't get comp picks if you signed a player for one year and then leave.

Denver isn't getting a comp pick from Okung unless he plays all 5 years and then leaves

My comment was influenced by the following tweet >>>> [tweet]https://twitter.com/DavisHsuSeattle/status/710590708172783616[/tweet]

 

[Jville]

I was attempting to ask a question. I see now that I neglected to type the question mark.

 

[Chosen1]

Hat's off to BoJack Elway. He's not nearly as terrible a GM as I thought. Having said that, not crushed at this loss. Schneider has GOAT foresight & patience... He knows a better fit & value option will be available via cuts or the draft. Let it unfold.

 

[HawkGA]

That sounds like a loophole the league needs to address.

 

[DavidSeven]

I don't think Hsu is saying Seattle had to match.

He's speculating that they didn't even offer this type of structure in the first place, which New England and now Denver have exploited, because we historically haven't tried it yet. If that's true, then whoever we're hiring as "cap specialists" probably need to widen their box.

 

[TheRealDTM]

I don't think Hsu is saying Seattle had to match.

He's speculating that they didn't even offer this type of structure in the first place, which New England and now Denver have exploited, because we historically haven't tried it yet. If that's true, then whoever we're hiring as "cap specialists" probably need to widen their box.

He stated they couldn't match the prorated portion of the deal in the first year.

As to why PCJS don't sign deals like this, who knows, most of the league doesn't. Option deals aren't something new, Seattle would rather sign straight forward deals for various reasons. Seattle's deals are much more straight forward, because it simplifies cap ramifications. I truly believe the back portion of this deal is more Okung's doing than Elways, because it gives Okung the ability to force the Bronco's hand if he plays well. Seattle, rightful so knowing Okung's history of injury, didn't want to play that game -- which makes complete sense. Why kick the can down the road like that when you know there is a good chance Okung never plays a full season?

I would argue that Seattle doesn't like to take chances with players and would rather lock up a guy for 5 years if they think he's good than sign a 1+4 contract with someone they aren't sure about. Most of our prove-it contracts are the standard 1-2 years (ala bennett, avril, etc)

 

[seatownlowdown]

so what in the world are we getting as a comp pick for this?

 

[bjornanderson21]

This looks like a deal negotiated by the player...nothing professional about it.

He signed a 1-year deal with a 4 year option.

No agent would recommend their client take a deal like that at this point in their career.

Guaranteed money is the holy grail, and Okung just signed a deal with very little guaranteed.

The broncos got a great deal in the sense that the only season he's guaranteed to be under contract is 2016, and they can evaluate him better and see if he keeps getting injured.

If okung gets injured again they WILL NOT pick up the option, and now they have a year to work on their contingency plan.

Broncos only made a bad signing if Okung can't even live up to the $8m he'll make this year.

Agree. The problem with a player negotiating is that emotions come into play. Okung probably believes that he will perform well and that he will stay healthy hence the Broncos holding onto him after year 1. An agent in most cases does not think this way and wants the largest guaranteed $ for their client and wouldn't risk it.

I hadn't even thought about the emotional aspect of it.

Almost every pro athlete has succeeded by constantly betting on themselves...and winning.

It would be hard for someone to take a step back and suddenly start looking at it from a negative/cautious perspective.

He probably has every intention of doing anything he can to get the Donkeys to pick up the option, but all it takes is another injury-riddled season and his option doesn't get picked up.

Okung may not have been looking at the possible downside, but i can guarantee that Elway was.

 

[BlueTalon]

The "penalty prone" thing is such a fiction.

He average less penalties last year than 35 other tackles, including Joe Thomas, Tyron Smith, Trent Williams, Jason Peters, Andrew Whitworth, Lane Johnson and just about any other "elite" OT you can name.

Is that taking into account the time he didn't play?