Rumor: RW asking to be the highest paid player in history

[Anthony!]

ukeface:

Yesterday, I admit I let this make me sour.

But after some thought I don't mind if he's the highest paid QB in the NFL.

As long as good chunk of that money (25-40%) is tied into performance based incentives that only pay like an elite QB If he performs like an elite QB with high end production.

If he wants to paid like that without the performance based integrity then my original statement still stands... screw him.

Problem with that is if they put those kind of incentives in there, then you can bet there will also be things like he must get 500+ attempts, etc. Without attempts he cannot meat those incentives, and as we know on this team and win this system he will never get the attempts needed to meet the goals you are talking about. FYI he is an Elite QB already he just does it differently then others because of the system he is in.

Wake up, Ashton. He isn't going to take you back.

ukeface:

 

[mikeak]

Regarding the 2-9 stat, I look at it in terms of points per drive. For Seattle, allowing 24 points would mean allowing something like 2.4 to 3.0 points per drive. Very few QBs on teams built on defense and running the football would win many games with such extremely high points per drive allowed numbers.

I also look at it as a system issue. We don't play to blow people out - we play to milk the clock.

Remember the Miami game 2 years ago? Everyone knew they had suspect corners. All the talk here was about attacking the corners. We didn't until right at the end when we were about to lose the game and then "moved the ball at will".

So when the team isn't playing to win games with more than 25pts then it is awfully hard as a QB to do it......

One of those losses is also a loss where the Offensive Coordinator decided to go empty backfield from the one yard line......

 

[ctrcat]

The tl;dr version: If you're going to pay a QB, more than top QB money, he better be able to not only get volume stats, but put up good efficiency stats much like Manning, Rodgers and co. have been able to do for years. If Wilson is not able to become that guy, then we should move on if he refuses to budge from his current stance, because he will have to become like a Rodgers, or Manning if we ever want to win a superbowl again under Carroll. While I think Wilson can be a decent volume passer I do not ever think he will be a Manning or Rodgers even when you factor in his running.

Of all QBs under the age of 30, Luck and Wilson are the clear #1 and #2. The gap to #3 is enormous. The third best 20-something QB would be Kaep or Newton right now, and as recent drafts have proven, breaking into the NFL at QB didn't suddenly get easier.

If Russell is the 2nd or 3rd best QB in five years, by the end of this upcoming contract, it seems reasonable to pay him like a top 3 QB.

As far as championships go, a difference in pay of a couple million a year isn't going to be the difference in winning a championship. Especially if the cap continues to rise by about $9 million every year. Since 2003 Joe Flacco is the only QB to win it all that isn't at least a decent bet for the HoF, and Joe Flacco was quickly made one of the highest paid QBs after he won.

Matt Ryan is pretty damn good . . . certainly better than Newton or Kaepernick.

Sorry, but say what? A busted to pieces Cam with a rookie #1 WR beat Matthew with weapons extraordinaire by nearly 5 TDs on his "fugging field" as Matthew would say in their last meeting. Cam has won 4 of 6 with three @$$ whippings, one close win, and two genuine fluke losses. A healthy Cam with Funchess and Ginn replacing Cotchery and Bersin and Matthew is certainly better?

 

[bmorepunk]

If my numbers are right, the Mannings are the only QB's since 2003 to have won a Super Bowl while being paid in the top-5 of QB salaries in the NFL. All the rest were QB's on lesser contracts, that got paid after winning the big one, and this prevented their franchises from surrounding them with enough talent to win any more.

It's pretty simple, you pay your QB an obscene amount of money, you have just prevented yourself from winning more Super Bowls. Don't fall for the trap John.

Yet if you let him walk to another team, your chances of finding a decent one are really low and you can't win with Derek Anderson. Good to great NFL scarcity doesn't leave teams with much choice.

 

[bmorepunk]

The tl;dr version: If you're going to pay a QB, more than top QB money, he better be able to not only get volume stats, but put up good efficiency stats much like Manning, Rodgers and co. have been able to do for years. If Wilson is not able to become that guy, then we should move on if he refuses to budge from his current stance, because he will have to become like a Rodgers, or Manning if we ever want to win a superbowl again under Carroll. While I think Wilson can be a decent volume passer I do not ever think he will be a Manning or Rodgers even when you factor in his running.

Of all QBs under the age of 30, Luck and Wilson are the clear #1 and #2. The gap to #3 is enormous. The third best 20-something QB would be Kaep or Newton right now, and as recent drafts have proven, breaking into the NFL at QB didn't suddenly get easier.

If Russell is the 2nd or 3rd best QB in five years, by the end of this upcoming contract, it seems reasonable to pay him like a top 3 QB.

As far as championships go, a difference in pay of a couple million a year isn't going to be the difference in winning a championship. Especially if the cap continues to rise by about $9 million every year. Since 2003 Joe Flacco is the only QB to win it all that isn't at least a decent bet for the HoF, and Joe Flacco was quickly made one of the highest paid QBs after he won.

Matt Ryan is pretty damn good . . . certainly better than Newton or Kaepernick.

Sorry, but say what? A busted to pieces Cam with a rookie #1 WR beat Matthew with weapons extraordinaire by nearly 5 TDs on his "fugging field" as Matthew would say in their last meeting. Cam has won 4 of 6 with three @$$ whippings, one close win, and two genuine fluke losses. A healthy Cam with Funchess and Ginn replacing Cotchery and Bersin and Matthew is certainly better?

:shock:

Division rivalries are angry.

 

[Anthony!]

Can't the hawks just force him to play out his contract, then tag him three years in a row?

Yes and Wilson can hold out every year as well.

 

[mikeak]

Tarvaris Jackson is happy about this

 

[jblaze]

Can't the hawks just force him to play out his contract, then tag him three years in a row?

They can but they wouldn't, it'd be cost prohibitive.

If they tag him in 2016, it'd be around 20m. 2017 adds 20% if you franchise him two years in a row so that would be $24 and that's probably a bargain still at that point due to the salary cap going up year over year and people like Luck and Newton getting huge contracts by then (likely 25m+ APY).

A third year of franchise tag though adds another 24% so that's 30m and that's untenable. So the longest it would potentially go is 2 franchise tags. Also at that point he walks in UFA and you get nothing in return. The better scenario is trading him before that time for a kings ransom and going up and getting another stud QB to build with.

That said, I hope that does not happen. That's bad juju... RW and the front office will come to an agreement and my guess is RW will get more than he gives. He fits what we do perfectly and sometimes you have to overpay a bit to keep your franchise QB.

However, I also see another scenario that's possible. PC and JS are less likely than most to hinge on one player and they believe it's more of a system than one guy responsible for all the success and they're right to a degree. They could stick to their guns and call RW's bluff and the above could play out and they may try with another.

 

[Tech Worlds]

Can't the hawks just force him to play out his contract, then tag him three years in a row?

Yes and Wilson can hold out every year as well.

But he won't. Nobody holds out with that kind of coin on the table.

 

[ctrcat]

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Sorry, but say what? A busted to pieces Cam with a rookie #1 WR beat Matthew with weapons extraordinaire by nearly 5 TDs on his "fugging field" as Matthew would say in their last meeting. Cam has won 4 of 6 with three @$$ whippings, one close win, and two genuine fluke losses. A healthy Cam with Funchess and Ginn replacing Cotchery and Bersin and Matthew is certainly better?[/quote]

:shock:

Division rivalries are angry.[/quote]

Even on May 8!

 

[Tical21]

Can't the hawks just force him to play out his contract, then tag him three years in a row?

Yes and Wilson can hold out every year as well.

But he won't. Nobody holds out with that kind of coin on the table.

I think he means hold out until the preseason starts, which normally isn't a big deal, but with a Quarterback, especially one that is still learning, probably not an avenue you want to consider too strongly, although if Russell is going to push is into that wall, we may not have any other choice.

 

[Tical21]

If my numbers are right, the Mannings are the only QB's since 2003 to have won a Super Bowl while being paid in the top-5 of QB salaries in the NFL. All the rest were QB's on lesser contracts, that got paid after winning the big one, and this prevented their franchises from surrounding them with enough talent to win any more.

It's pretty simple, you pay your QB an obscene amount of money, you have just prevented yourself from winning more Super Bowls. Don't fall for the trap John.

Yet if you let him walk to another team, your chances of finding a decent one are really low and you can't win with Derek Anderson. Good to great NFL scarcity doesn't leave teams with much choice.

Sure, but personally I think we're a playoff team and Super Bowl contender with just about any halfway decent QB you can name. Is it possible we can trust this FO to find us another QB for 1/10th the price? He may not be quite as good as Russell, but for that price, he may not need to be. Heck, there is also the possibility we could find a better one.

 

[Russ Willstrong]

Tech World is correct.
If the Seahawks offer doesn't include a major salary increase in 2015 along with toplevel average-annual salary then why wouldn't it benefit Wilson to play out his contract?
Franchise tagging RW will pay him elite money in the next few years before he demands outrageous money in free agency if Wilson continues his quality of play. He wouldnt hold out if the franchise tag pays more than the offer currently provided his agent. He could see more money in the long run and reach free agency before age 30. He could be courted by other championship contenders with good receiving talent and more cap space. Can we afford this?

 

[jblaze]

Tech World is correct.
If the Seahawks offer doesn't include a major salary increase in 2015 along with toplevel average-annual salary then why wouldn't it benefit Wilson to play out his contract?
Franchise tagging RW will pay him elite money in the next few years before he demands outrageous money in free agency if Wilson continues his quality of play. He wouldnt hold out if the franchise tag pays more than the offer currently provided his agent. He could see more money in the long run and reach free agency before age 30. He could be courted by other championship contenders with good receiving talent and more cap space. Can we afford this?

He could get his signing bonus now, that's part of it. Also that's the operating procedure of our front office, they extend but they must keep the last year to help with the salary cap deferment.

Also players like to lock up long term deals due to injury risks and guarantees. What happens if we go year to year with franchise tags and he blows up his ACL or gets multiple serious concussions or something. His long term value would be affected. Also his status is as high right now, two back to back SB appearances, than it will ever be. You negotiate when you're at the top and take advantage. What if for some reason he bombs this year and then his leverage and numbers don't justify as big of a contract? Another consideration there.

There's lot of reasons why players want long term contracts and sooner rather than later. That said, this is RW and he has more faith in himself than anyone so I wouldn't put it past him to bet on himself and try to cash in later because he is ultra confident and the likelihood of the Seahawks going deep in the playoffs again is pretty good.

 

[Anthony!]

If my numbers are right, the Mannings are the only QB's since 2003 to have won a Super Bowl while being paid in the top-5 of QB salaries in the NFL. All the rest were QB's on lesser contracts, that got paid after winning the big one, and this prevented their franchises from surrounding them with enough talent to win any more.

It's pretty simple, you pay your QB an obscene amount of money, you have just prevented yourself from winning more Super Bowls. Don't fall for the trap John.

Yet if you let him walk to another team, your chances of finding a decent one are really low and you can't win with Derek Anderson. Good to great NFL scarcity doesn't leave teams with much choice.

He is right about winning. However that is one very narrow look at it and he spent time to ensure he had the right narrowed criteria to ensure he was right.

2012 3 of top 5 paid QBs made the playoffs, 2013 3 out of 5, 2014 3 out of 5. So basically 60% of the top 5 paid Qbs make the playoffs. Once you make the playoffs anything can happen. However we also know to even get to the playoffs you need a top QB and that costs money. FYI 2014 half of the teams that made the playoffs had QBs that were amongst the top 10 and 3 of the teams had QBs on rookie deals. Again once your in anything can happen so you can pay a QB top money and still get in the playoffs and have a chance to win. Also of those 6 teams with top 10 paid QBs 5 are perennial playoff teams. So that shows if you have a great QB and you can keep him you can be a perennial playoff team.

 

[Anthony!]

Can't the hawks just force him to play out his contract, then tag him three years in a row?

Yes and Wilson can hold out every year as well.

But he won't. Nobody holds out with that kind of coin on the table.

ahh you mean 1.5 mil for this coming year? Yes they do. IF he has no deal and the tag is on the table, he cold hold out till they take the tag off. That is what I am talking about. Also remember he only need to hold out till a day before the first game, if he is tagged he gets paid, but given he has not been at practices leading up to the first game we will not be very good.

 

[Rocket]

Can't the hawks just force him to play out his contract, then tag him three years in a row?

Yes and Wilson can hold out every year as well.

Sorry, but I don't see him holding out. He will play, he will work out, he will study.

 

[hawknation2015]

The tl;dr version: If you're going to pay a QB, more than top QB money, he better be able to not only get volume stats, but put up good efficiency stats much like Manning, Rodgers and co. have been able to do for years. If Wilson is not able to become that guy, then we should move on if he refuses to budge from his current stance, because he will have to become like a Rodgers, or Manning if we ever want to win a superbowl again under Carroll. While I think Wilson can be a decent volume passer I do not ever think he will be a Manning or Rodgers even when you factor in his running.

Of all QBs under the age of 30, Luck and Wilson are the clear #1 and #2. The gap to #3 is enormous. The third best 20-something QB would be Kaep or Newton right now, and as recent drafts have proven, breaking into the NFL at QB didn't suddenly get easier.

If Russell is the 2nd or 3rd best QB in five years, by the end of this upcoming contract, it seems reasonable to pay him like a top 3 QB.

As far as championships go, a difference in pay of a couple million a year isn't going to be the difference in winning a championship. Especially if the cap continues to rise by about $9 million every year. Since 2003 Joe Flacco is the only QB to win it all that isn't at least a decent bet for the HoF, and Joe Flacco was quickly made one of the highest paid QBs after he won.

Matt Ryan is pretty damn good . . . certainly better than Newton or Kaepernick.

Sorry, but say what? A busted to pieces Cam with a rookie #1 WR beat Matthew with weapons extraordinaire by nearly 5 TDs on his "fugging field" as Matthew would say in their last meeting. Cam has won 4 of 6 with three @$$ whippings, one close win, and two genuine fluke losses. A healthy Cam with Funchess and Ginn replacing Cotchery and Bersin and Matthew is certainly better?

Another showing of the importance of defense. Carolina was Top 10 in total defense, while Atlanta was the worst in the league. Atlanta also has one of the worst offensive lines in the league, which helps explain the six times Carolina sacked Ryan in their last matchup. So the head-to-head record might be tied 4-4, but as a passer, there is no doubt Matt Ryan is better.

 

[Anthony!]

Can't the hawks just force him to play out his contract, then tag him three years in a row?

Yes and Wilson can hold out every year as well.

Sorry, but I don't see him holding out. He will play, he will work out, he will study.

Holding out will not stop him from studying, he will hold out till the week before the first game. This is more likely this coming year, but could happened every year, It would be his only leverage point.

 

[ctrcat]

Matt Ryan is pretty damn good . . . certainly better than Newton or Kaepernick.

Sorry, but say what? A busted to pieces Cam with a rookie #1 WR beat Matthew with weapons extraordinaire by nearly 5 TDs on his "fugging field" as Matthew would say in their last meeting. Cam has won 4 of 6 with three @$$ whippings, one close win, and two genuine fluke losses. A healthy Cam with Funchess and Ginn replacing Cotchery and Bersin and Matthew is certainly better?

Another showing of the importance of defense. Carolina was Top 10 in total defense, while Atlanta was the worst in the league. Atlanta also has one of the worst offensive lines in the league, which helps explain the six times Carolina sacked Ryan in their last matchup. So the head-to-head record might be tied 4-4, but as a passer, there is no doubt Matt Ryan is better.

Perception vs reality. Not sure what stats you're using, but in the only stat that matters, PPG, the Panthers D was 21st and the Falcons 27th. If it's yards you're using, then how in holy heck has Cam THROWN for more yards in his first four years than Matthew did?