Grahamhawker
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Patronizing the playcall now is as useless as seeing in hindsight that the play was doomed as soon as Browner lined up in front of Kearse and/or someone (?) realized the intended target was Lockett.
hawkfan68":3lyorjaj said:Vancanhawksfan, In the locked thread you stated in one of your posts, please allow me to rephrase, that you believe handing off to Marshawn Lynch from 1 yd line is a higher risk than throwing the ball. The only evidence you give to support that is that Lynch fumbled in the 2013 NFCCG. Lynch fumbled only once....yet you believe that giving him the ball is a high risk? He's scored more touchdowns than he's fumbled from that distance, yet giving him the ball is a higher risk? Hmmm....I disagree.
I don't believe the call to pass was bad. I do believe the option chosen to whom to pass to was horrible. Wilson is learning and he shouldn't have even been put in position to make that decision at that point in the game. That's why it falls on Bevell in my mind and you can lump Carroll in to an extent. But if you watch replays of the game with sound, you can hear Carroll asking what's the play call....even Carroll had no idea what was called. So it leads me to believe it was Bevell who made the call.
chris98251":37as5fj8 said:The pass play percentage I would think were not inside slants to 5th on the depth chart WR's that are typically on the edge and not inside, we throw a lot of roll outs and fades as well as options. Also red zone passes are from the 20 yard line in not just the 1, how many of those statistics were from the 1 or inside the 1 against former team mates.
On the 1 and trying to run a inside slant with the defense defending the run creates almost 22 men in the pass window to intercept. knockdown or any other number of things. 22 men in that area and throwing the ball is what is considered the stupidity of the play, along with calling it to a guy that plays the edge and not the inside and is used to using his body to protect the ball, additionally knowing Browner has and had practice and seen it several times was another bad thought process. If your going to give that look have a different primary option. Browner knew exactly what and who it was going to and how to blow it up.
That's why saying a roll out, fade, option pass, or yes handing the ball off to the best back in the game at the one yard line, or even a fake to Lynch and roll around dive by Wilson would have been a better option then a telegram to Browner and that play call.
Sealake80":1vgrcvwe said:I thought your thread about Marshawn fumbling, the year before, from the goal line (NFC Championship) was a great reminder.
I was going to post in that thread but it got locked. So many locked threads lately. I love clicking on them just to see why they were locked and all the comments that made it in before locking. LOL.
Oh yeah, If your tired of reading about "the call" then I got an idea for you. Don't click and open that thread. I'm blind to you. It's nice that people are thinking about the Seahawks and trying to process and converse during the off season! :th2thumbs:
Vancanhawksfan":1euzf947 said:I truly believe that if Marshawn was given the call and he fumbled the ball all of you would call for Bevell's head for being too predictable, or not <blah blah blah>
Vancanhawksfan":2beaetse said:chris98251":2beaetse said:The pass play percentage I would think were not inside slants to 5th on the depth chart WR's that are typically on the edge and not inside, we throw a lot of roll outs and fades as well as options. Also red zone passes are from the 20 yard line in not just the 1, how many of those statistics were from the 1 or inside the 1 against former team mates.
On the 1 and trying to run a inside slant with the defense defending the run creates almost 22 men in the pass window to intercept. knockdown or any other number of things. 22 men in that area and throwing the ball is what is considered the stupidity of the play, along with calling it to a guy that plays the edge and not the inside and is used to using his body to protect the ball, additionally knowing Browner has and had practice and seen it several times was another bad thought process. If your going to give that look have a different primary option. Browner knew exactly what and who it was going to and how to blow it up.
That's why saying a roll out, fade, option pass, or yes handing the ball off to the best back in the game at the one yard line, or even a fake to Lynch and roll around dive by Wilson would have been a better option then a telegram to Browner and that play call.
In the NFL there were zero turnovers on pass plays from the one yard line this year. Zero. None. Nada.
I truly believe that if Marshawn was given the call and he fumbled the ball all of you would call for Bevell's head for being too predictable, or not recognizing that the Hawks convert a higher percentage by passing than running the ball, or that Bevell should have known that the last time Marshawn was asked to run in from the 1 yard line in a Championship game that he fumbled the ball and turned it over....
...or that if he called Wilson to throw a fade, or a roll out, or an option pass and it was a turn over then you'd say the exact same things that you are saying for calling the slant pass.
I think you would have criticized him for any play call that didn't succeed, and that if the slant did complete that he would have been called brilliant by all the same people.
Vancanhawksfan":3fq29u3i said:Sealake80":3fq29u3i said:I thought your thread about Marshawn fumbling, the year before, from the goal line (NFC Championship) was a great reminder.
I was going to post in that thread but it got locked. So many locked threads lately. I love clicking on them just to see why they were locked and all the comments that made it in before locking. LOL.
Oh yeah, If your tired of reading about "the call" then I got an idea for you. Don't click and open that thread. I'm blind to you. It's nice that people are thinking about the Seahawks and trying to process and converse during the off season! :th2thumbs:
Edited for policy Breech.
Got a feeling this isn't going to end well for you if you keep this up. Mod actions and enforcement of forum rules is not to be discussed in the forums. You may want to take a breath and cool down for a bit.Vancanhawksfan":mewrku7r said:Sealake80":mewrku7r said:I thought your thread about Marshawn fumbling, the year before, from the goal line (NFC Championship) was a great reminder.
I was going to post in that thread but it got locked. So many locked threads lately. I love clicking on them just to see why they were locked and all the comments that made it in before locking. LOL.
Oh yeah, If your tired of reading about "the call" then I got an idea for you. Don't click and open that thread. I'm blind to you. It's nice that people are thinking about the Seahawks and trying to process and converse during the off season! :th2thumbs:
Edited for policy Breech.
chevelle03":1vd1timw said:Actually, this is new insight to the play that I haven't read before. I appreciate the post.
SacHawk2.0":2en6vg4r said:Vancanhawksfan":2en6vg4r said:I truly believe that if Marshawn was given the call and he fumbled the ball all of you would call for Bevell's head for being too predictable, or not <blah blah blah>
Really? All of us? Do you work for the Psychic Hotline or Ms Cleo? Can I have the lotto numbers?
Personally, I was ok with a pass play. But not a slant from the 1 yard line. If Bevell had called a play-action roll out, and at least forced the defense to respect the threat of Lynch, that would have opened up a passing opportunity or allowed Russ to run it in himself.
HawkFan72":gxoi8nuv said:Yes, Lynch fumbled on 4th down from the 1 yard line in the 2013 NFCC.
Pete Carroll has already said they were going to run on 3rd and 4th down if necessary in the Super Bowl.
So your whole point of "maybe they passed because Lynch fumbled in 2013" makes no sense.
He fumbled on 4th down in 2013. They passed on 2nd down in the Super Bowl.
They were going to run it with Lynch on 3rd and 4th down. You hear that? They were going to run on 4th down with Lynch, just like in 2013.
There is no difference. You are comparing 2nd down to 4th down.
Line up your variables and you will see you really don't have any point to talk about.