The question I have is what kind of leverage does Geno really have on the Hawks? Or put another way, what other teams would wish to sign a soon to be 34 year old QB like Geno as their starting QB and pay him a salary reflecting that fact? I just don't see a market out there for him in that way. To me, it really boils down to how happy the Hawks want to make him, rather than any fear of losing him to a higher bidder.
Reports say Geno wants to renegotiate.
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SoulfishHawk
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He clearly has a much higher opinion of himself. After one good season and another decent season. He's never won a single playoff game.
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If Geno leads the Hawks to a 12-4 Division Champion season and the Hawks make it to the NFC Championship game, what would people's opinions be on renegotiating Geno's contract?
For me, it somewhat depends on how much of the winning is attributable to improvement on D vs. improved QB play.
For me, it somewhat depends on how much of the winning is attributable to improvement on D vs. improved QB play.
SoulfishHawk
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Earn it first. The way it should be. He hasn't earned a bigger contract. You act like he isn't being paid very well. He is doing just fine. Must be SOOOO rough to make that kind of coin, all while being a little above average. A new coach and coaching staff should be able to play out the 2024 season and see with their own eyes if they want to continue with a now 33 year old QB who's never even won a playoff game, let alone big games.
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Yeah. That bum Cortez Kennedy! Only 2 wins in 1992, he was obviously garbage and should have been riding the pine instead of winning Defensive Player of the Year. Stats = nothing.
Do you see the false equivalence I just put out there? You may find similar regularly spouted around here about almost anybody.
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I feel like I should clarify since I've been defending him in this thread, but I'd probably rank Geno in the 16-20 range among starting QBs. I don't really consider him underpaid, and given his age (even with all the years as a backup) I'm not in favor of committing to him beyond this season. I also like Howell a lot, even calling for us to draft him three years ago. I was thrilled with the trade to acquire him.
That said, I think it's pretty obvious at this point that if Macdonald has legitimate hopes of being serious playoff contenders this season (not just what he says in front of the cameras), we're ride or die with Geno. Since Geno and his agent aren't complete morons, it's not surprising if they see this as a potential opportunity for increased financial security. Frankly, if we're punting on the season, we might as well just shop Geno to the Raiders, Vikings, Giants, etc., and see what Howell can do with competent instructors.
That said, I think it's pretty obvious at this point that if Macdonald has legitimate hopes of being serious playoff contenders this season (not just what he says in front of the cameras), we're ride or die with Geno. Since Geno and his agent aren't complete morons, it's not surprising if they see this as a potential opportunity for increased financial security. Frankly, if we're punting on the season, we might as well just shop Geno to the Raiders, Vikings, Giants, etc., and see what Howell can do with competent instructors.
GeekHawk
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After Howell's season last year we should sit him for most of this year and put him in for mop-up duty when we're way ahead towards the end of a game. With the starting OL still in. We need to let him get over his PTSD that he undoubtedly got last year... Then have a legit QB competition next preseason. Let's not forget that for us he's only been a preseason star, and that's against 2s and worse. He *does* have a nice long ball, I'll give him that!
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Talk about apples and oranges. People spout stats over wins when it comes to Geno. Good numbers are great for a QB. But they don't equate to win totals. We have seen QB's put up ridiculous numbers and miss the playoffs and/or fail in the playoffs for decades. I have a right to my opinion like anyone else. I don't see Geno as Clutch, until I see differently, I'm sticking to it. I hope to be Crowing up at seasons end. QB is probably the most scrutinized position in sports. Matt, Russ, Geno.......all have had their share of criticism over the years. It's part of the position. This team is better off post Russ, now it's time to see if Geno is more than just a stop gap.
News flash: This team has NEVER had a QB in their history w/out his share of people who didn't believe in him. All of them had their detractors. It comes with the position.
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SoulfishHawk
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Good points. And it doesn't hurt to try to get more money. Just my own opinion that he signed his deal just last year and he should earn a raise IF he balls out in 2024.
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I think comparing Howell's last season and him being on this team is like comparing apples to oranges, with no disrespect intended to Geno or anyone's else's opinion of both Geno and Howell. Howell was faced with a lot of pressure placed on him last season and forced to deal with a less then competent oline, lack of schemes and questionable coaching. He was in a situation where he was forced to make a large considerable amount of throws, which with any QB would have a high amount of interceptions, regardless of who that QB would be. He was held accountable for a team with a lot of deficiencies and judged hence forth. John saw something in him and brought him on for a reason. Yes, Howell didn't have the best training camp this summer, but his preseason games of been very efficient overall, figuring he's not playing with the 1st string quality players.
Put him in the spotlight, give him a DK, Njigba, Locket, Walker, etc... and an oline and better coaching staff which are by far much talented than what the Commanders were displaying last season. With Howells arm, accuracy and what not, I think we see Howell step up and show us a possible top 10 quality QB and even eventually a top 5. I don't claim to be an XO expert and I don't claim to have any solidified evidence to what is strictly my opinion here. This is just a Seahawk fan perspective of what could be eventually.
I think, no I believe that Howell has the talent, the arm strength, accuracy and mobility to be an early type Russell type player we saw when he first started, perhaps even better, and taller. We saw glimpses of his potential during the preseason games, small examples but he kept poised and moved the ball.
No disrespect to Geno, but if Geno is seeing what I think is possible with Howell,what the coaches are seeing as well, I too would asking for a renewal of my contract in the hopes of getting the financial security in what might not become another opportunity down the road.
I've seen what Geno can do, I've appreciated what Geno has done, he didn't write back and that saids a lot about a player. Geno balled out, gave it his best and we as Seahawk fans are forever grateful for his effort, BUT what if Howell can take us to the next level. Realistically, age is a factor for Geno, signs of whether his body can hold up are things to think about. Do we want to extend Geno for a few more seasons and end up paying for something which might have a higher cost than it's worth? Howell is both young and with an untapped potential which I for one is excited to see on what may eventually be one day. Nothings guaranteed I know, but I don't think we invested and rolled the dice with Mike and all these new coaches to risk the future on an aging quarterback, I just don't see it.
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Players not honoring contracts is nothing new, but it's still dumb as hell every time. No harm in opening negotiations, it could take all year for all we know. I wouldn't be expecting anything to come of it until the off season.
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We can get Me3 for dirt cheap.. No need for QBOTF.
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I don't know if I can take another Subway commercial with Me3
SoulfishHawk
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Not only no, but F no. Ship sailed a long time ago. Dueces
Maelstrom787
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They spout stats over wins because this is a team sport. Wins are not a QB stat. Defense, special teams, and rushing play a massive role in whether a team wins or loses.
But they don't just spout stats. They spout tape, as well.
You need all 3 to make the most accurate judgment that a fan can make, and it isn't a coincidence that most of the top minds in the Seahawks fandom who have learned the scheme and watched the tape rank Geno much higher than the average fan on this forum.
Beyond that, I don't know why anyone would be offended by a players agent doing the job that a players agent is supposed to do. He isn't holding out, he isn't even saying anything publicly. He's practicing, working out, getting praised by Macdonald, and all reports say he is head and shoulders ahead in the QB room. He isn't actually doing anything wrong.
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For context, by the way -
Geno's cap number is higher than the amount he's actually being paid.
According to OTC, Geno Smith is the 23rd highest paid QB this year in terms of actual cash spent on him.
In 20th, 21st, and 22nd?
Rookies Caleb Williams, Jayden Daniels, and Drake Maye.
It is really not surprising that his team would try to get some of the actual money out of the contract since he has little future security with the contract as things stand.
Geno's cap number is higher than the amount he's actually being paid.
According to OTC, Geno Smith is the 23rd highest paid QB this year in terms of actual cash spent on him.
In 20th, 21st, and 22nd?
Rookies Caleb Williams, Jayden Daniels, and Drake Maye.
It is really not surprising that his team would try to get some of the actual money out of the contract since he has little future security with the contract as things stand.
SoulfishHawk
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Fair enough, good points. He still doesn't deserve a new contract.
