Reports: Ndamukong Suh wants to sign with Seahawks

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McGruff":33b2e8fu said:
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Well....the word on the radio from the national talking heads this morning is that he is more likely to go to Oakland.

The talking heads haven't picked up on the Seattle angle at all. They are simply connecting the cash, but other factors enter in that may not be considered by those who don't know Suh's full situation.
Ya, the national media is lazy. "Suh is so good, he's going to get a lot of money. Oakland has a lot of money. Suh will be a Raider" They don't take into account his desire to win. Not everyone is wired the same way, not everyone cares solely about getting every dime possible.
 

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If Suh has been so loose with telling former players and old schoolmates that he is going to Seattle "for sure", you would think that someone in the media would have picked up on it by now.

I think some of you are going to be very disappointed when Suh goes somewhere for a lot of money and Seattle never even brings him in.
 

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HawkFan72":1xdo2exm said:
If Suh has been so loose with telling former players and old schoolmates that he is going to Seattle "for sure", you would think that someone in the media would have picked up on it by now.

I think some of you are going to be very disappointed when Suh goes somewhere for a lot of money and Seattle never even brings him in.
Well if his intention is to make the most money possible there's absolutely no reason to have ever mentioned Seattle given it's quite obvious which teams have massive cap space that is so large no other teams can come near it without dumping half their roster (the good half).
 

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HawkFan72":1dn2k6w2 said:
If Suh has been so loose with telling former players and old schoolmates that he is going to Seattle "for sure", you would think that someone in the media would have picked up on it by now.

I think some of you are going to be very disappointed when Suh goes somewhere for a lot of money and Seattle never even brings him in.

I wont be disappointed. That will be his decision, and he will have many MANY good reasons for making it. I was merely pointing out that the media at this point is lazy. There is no insider information here. Every big name FA is linked with Oakland and Cleveland because they have money and a ton of needs. That doesn't mean those links have any substance.
 

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McGruff":2nj0p7xe said:
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If Suh has been so loose with telling former players and old schoolmates that he is going to Seattle "for sure", you would think that someone in the media would have picked up on it by now.

I think some of you are going to be very disappointed when Suh goes somewhere for a lot of money and Seattle never even brings him in.

I wont be disappointed. That will be his decision, and he will have many MANY good reasons for making it. I was merely pointing out that the media at this point is lazy. There is no insider information here. Every big name FA is linked with Oakland and Cleveland because they have money and a ton of needs. That doesn't mean those links have any substance.
This exactly. The only "real" inside info is that he would like be a Hawk. Everything else consists of nothing more than "this team has lots of cap space so player X will go there"
 

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Hawkfan77":3nuinrxf said:
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Well....the word on the radio from the national talking heads this morning is that he is more likely to go to Oakland.

The talking heads haven't picked up on the Seattle angle at all. They are simply connecting the cash, but other factors enter in that may not be considered by those who don't know Suh's full situation.
Ya, the national media is lazy. "Suh is so good, he's going to get a lot of money. Oakland has a lot of money. Suh will be a Raider" They don't take into account his desire to win. Not everyone is wired the same way, not everyone cares solely about getting every dime possible.

Except in the case of Suh, he has publicly claimed that that his agent will pick his next team. The implication being that he'll go to the highest bidder. So the media speculating that he'll go to the team that can afford him isn't without merit.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/12010 ... here-signs
 

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Basis4day":16mi4nz2 said:
Hawkfan77":16mi4nz2 said:
McGruff":16mi4nz2 said:
Bigpumpkin":16mi4nz2 said:
Well....the word on the radio from the national talking heads this morning is that he is more likely to go to Oakland.

The talking heads haven't picked up on the Seattle angle at all. They are simply connecting the cash, but other factors enter in that may not be considered by those who don't know Suh's full situation.
Ya, the national media is lazy. "Suh is so good, he's going to get a lot of money. Oakland has a lot of money. Suh will be a Raider" They don't take into account his desire to win. Not everyone is wired the same way, not everyone cares solely about getting every dime possible.

Except in the case of Suh, he has publicly claimed that that his agent will pick his next team. The implication being that he'll go to the highest bidder. So the media speculating that he'll go to the team that can afford him isn't without merit.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/12010 ... here-signs

He's also publicly stated he wants to play in Seattle.
 

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McGruff":2o6b54as said:
He's also publicly stated he wants to play in Seattle.

And that's fine. He can say he wants to play for any team he wants. But on the surface, the cap situation makes teams other than Seattle a lot more realistic.

Suh to the Seahawks is great to dream about, but far more likely he goes to a team with more cap room to spare.
 

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What is the definition of a "strong" offseason? What is the threshold? Hawks don't necessarily need a "strong" offseason, whatever that means. Every offseason is crucial, don't single out one. Suh won't be some monumental signing that sets up the franchise for the future. If he can contribute, then sign him(cue the moneball references).

I would say drafting/signing for 5 contributers per offseason the next few offseasons will set the team up pretty well for the future. But most of the contributers will have to come from the draft, and that may mean not getting Suh. I think some of us need to be careful about what we wish for.


So, if the Seahawks sign Suh then they have to stop drafting for the future?

I see no where in my post where I said that. I'm not Schneider, it's his money. But I would think signing Suh to such a large contract per rumors, along with Wilson, Wagner and Lynch's extension would cripple in what we could do, in my opinion. I'm not an expert on the cap. But it just seems that way.

Yeah I'm not getting the connection either.

Ultimately, every team wants as many special players as it can acquire. Suh fits that description at a league best level. For a position that has high value, and one we don't really have. Bennett rotates in there at times. And is quite good. Suh is an additional player who can provide more than Bennett, while coexisting with him perfectly.

I can't imagine how productive Bennett could be playing end alongside Suh. I wouldn't think 12 sacks would be out of the question. Might even be the over/under prediction. Hill likewise could see a 50% or more bump in sack totals. That'd put him in the 8-9 sack range. All of a sudden, you're looking at one of the best sack producing lines in the league. That kind of pressure forces errant passes. I don't think there's a secondary in the league that is better at turning mistake/hurried passes into picks and points than ours.

What it would do, is force Seattle to replenish some good players when their rookie deals expire. Carpenter. Sweezy. Willson. Kearse. These are the kinds of players who honestly you can replace with non first round picks and still arrive at a close approximation in value. Perhaps even upgrade the positions outright.

Additionally, you're probably looking at letting some second contracts walk in 2016. Mebane, Unger and to a lesser extent Okung. The first two players you can reasonably get a good replacement with R2 to R5 picks. Okung is a bit of a problem. To get a quality LT, you have to overdraft for it. Availability concerns aside -- Okung is going to cost about what we're still paying him after this year.

Suh doesn't cripple the team. It just means you have to replace some replaceable components before they become expensive. Honestly, that's exactly how I see the Seahawk model taking shape.

Additionally, with the value of comp picks, coupled with the low expected return of our UFAs this year -- we have to consider any non released UFA/Post June 1 cut signing to be in esssence a sign and trade equivalent. We will lose any hope of getting a 3rd round comp for Maxwell if we sign a UFA. So whatever player we sign has to be a very significant improvement to the club. Otherwise, we're going to be picking through the waiver wire almost exclusively.
 

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You can play both sides to maximize money from both sides

1) You put out there that you want the max money - teams bid as much as they can. Raiders and Jaguars can outbid anyone so if only one of them is bidding they may limit their offer. Then Oakland hears that money may not be the deciding factor but he will go to Seattle because he wants to. Well whenever someone hears that their solution is to.....offer more money. So they maximize even though they may realize they are not bidding against someone else at that amount.

2) You say you want to go to Seattle. However Seattle hears that so they want to "low-ball"him. Some would say like Tate situation. Well then Seattle hears he want max money so they know they can't offer that but they also don't offer less than they really are willing to pay. So they go to their max

Now you got two different offers but they are both maximized from the teams situation. This makes it a win for Suh and he can pick his team
 

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If we can get him...great. If not ?...big deal, life will go on and we will have someone else to go after. To me, Williams would be great to have back. He was the steadiest of all the DT's, and is the oldest. He is no Suh, but we can certainly get by without Suh.
 

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So many factors play into these decisions. How much control does the player have over his agent or does the agent control the relationship. Add in that the agent also competes for players with other agents - if he has a marquee FA settle for a below market deal, does that hamper his ability to recruit new players?

One thing that is understated by some is that Seattle is among a few teams where no state income tax exists. That's real to the bottom line.

I have no idea if they will even talk to Suh or not. I do know that the cap would not be a reason to not do a deal with him. I see some teams with less cap space than the Seahawks are getting linked to him. I also think that if he would be interested and the money was palatable, he's the type of impact guy they are virtually assured of not getting in the draft picking where they are picking.
 

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^ Suh controls that relationship. Lets face it if you are the agent and you know the guy on the other side of the table will stomp on you if he doesn't like you then you will do what he says :stirthepot:
 

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mikeak":1ovsyk2p said:
^ Suh controls that relationship. Lets face it if you are the agent and you know the guy on the other side of the table will stomp on you if he doesn't like you then you will do what he says :stirthepot:

SWeep the leg...... :stirthepot: :stirthepot:
 
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Not that I actually think we are going to sign Suh, but the fact that we didn't give Dockett 2 years at $7MM makes me think there is a substantially better chance. Dockett when healthy is about 8/10ths of Suh. He's a very good player. Granted he never stays healthy, but still. If they were going to sign Suh, you'd think they'd pass on a cheap contract to a difference making DT.
 

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I bet this thread lives on for at least a week after Suh signs with another team. Any takers?
 
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HawkGA":1505mm8m said:
I bet this thread lives on for at least a week after Suh signs with another team. Any takers?


Pretty much, but people will all be like "Oh, I didn't want that guy anyways..."
 

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HawkGA":1pzdz4cc said:
I bet this thread lives on for at least a week after Suh signs with another team. Any takers?

Nah. There will be about 5 different threads immediately after he makes his decision and the one that gets the most immediate hits in the NFL Forum will live after the mods lock the rest.
 
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