Reports: Ndamukong Suh wants to sign with Seahawks

[Sgt. Largent]

It will morph into "Suh aint that good anyway" or be replaced by "Will we regret not signing Suh?"

Suh is good, very good. But as soon as we see the ridiculous contract someone gives him we most definitely will not be saying we regret not signing him.

 

[Hawkfan77]

It will morph into "Suh aint that good anyway" or be replaced by "Will we regret not signing Suh?"

Suh is good, very good. But as soon as we see the ridiculous contract someone gives him we most definitely will not be saying we regret not signing him.

That could be true, but not "he aint that good anyway" Anyone who says that clearly doesn't watch football.

 

[drdiags]

It will morph into "Suh aint that good anyway" or be replaced by "Will we regret not signing Suh?"

Suh is good, very good. But as soon as we see the ridiculous contract someone gives him we most definitely will not be saying we regret not signing him.

Sort of like the "Do we regret not signing Jared Allen" post. Someone will create it. Bank on it.

And for others, no one can tell me some joker isn't going to post the "He aint that good anyway" post. It's what some people do when they feel jilted. These things happen like clockwork.

 

[bigskydoc]

Philly or Indy. Probably Indy. Plenty of cap space. Plenty of ring potential. Probably play a Watt like role in their 3-4 schemes. Indy taxes would be 3.4% AGI plus 1.62% to Marion County. Pennsylvania is 3.07% of total income plus Philly's 3.7242% on gross income earned in the city for non-residents, or 3.93% for all income earned, no matter where earned, for residents of the city.

If he is only about the $$$$ he will be in Jacksonville (likely) or Miami (if they can clear some more cap space) next year. He will probably get similar offers from Oakland, Jacksonville and (maybe) Miami, but there is no income tax in Florida and everything over a million is taxed at 13.3% in California plus a 6% Oakland income tax so Oakland would have to really outbid to get him.

He has previously expressed interest in playing for a big market so I could see Giants or Jets being a draw, but the tax situation is bad for both, the Giants have little cap space, and the Jets have little ring potential. I see both of the NY teams as a lose money and lose a chance at a ring proposition.

Chicago has been mentioned, but it is also a lose lose type of proposition with high taxes and low ring potential.

Only way I see him in Seattle is because he really wants to be a Hawk and is willing to structure a cap friendly deal that may not give him the "highest paid defensive player" type deal that he could get elsewhere.

- bsd RPA

 

[bbsplitter]

I love how the Raiders have been bad for so long everyone just assumes they will continue to be that way haha. They have an up and coming QB, pair that with a couple good WR draft picks, some help on D, and they will at least be in a good spot to go 8-8. Couple that with him instantly becoming the face of the D, face of the franchise (until Carr hits his stride) it might be an attractive place, especially if he makes 10mil more over the course of the contract than what the Seahawks were offering him.

 

[Attyla the Hawk]

Yeah, some good teams now freeing up cap space. The outlook for signing Suh to a modest (comparatively) deal is looking more and more grim. Some playoff contending teams are getting low enough under the cap to be attractive with more cash available.

 

[MizzouHawkGal]

It will morph into "Suh aint that good anyway" or be replaced by "Will we regret not signing Suh?"

Suh is good, very good. But as soon as we see the ridiculous contract someone gives him we most definitely will not be saying we regret not signing him.

That could be true, but not "he aint that good anyway" Anyone who says that clearly doesn't watch football.

Agreed. Besides give it another year or two and Suh like Watt will be considered a bargain for whatever he signs for.

 

[Hawkfan77]

It will morph into "Suh aint that good anyway" or be replaced by "Will we regret not signing Suh?"

Suh is good, very good. But as soon as we see the ridiculous contract someone gives him we most definitely will not be saying we regret not signing him.

That could be true, but not "he aint that good anyway" Anyone who says that clearly doesn't watch football.

Agreed. Besides give it another year or two and Suh like Watt will be considered a bargain for whatever he signs for.

Oh yeah, with how much the cap is going up? Kind of a bad time to be a free agent. What seems like a lot now, will be a great contact in a couple of years

 

[MizzouHawkGal]

That's why we should give it our best shot to get him if he truly wants to play in Seattle. In my opinion he's a game changing type of player like Reggie White which means it would be worth doing pretty much whatever is possible to sign him.

But knowing how many teams have a lot of cap space and some of them contenders doesn't make me confident that we even have a serious chance at him because there's just no way he isn't going to get an insane amount of money in the amount we probably can't even get in the neighborhood of.

 

[Sgt. Largent]

That's why we should give it our best shot to get him if he truly wants to play in Seattle. In my opinion he's a game changing type of player like Reggie White which means it would be worth doing pretty much whatever is possible to sign him.

But knowing how many teams have a lot of cap space and some of them contenders doesn't make me confident that we even have a serious chance at him because there's just no way he isn't going to get an insane amount of money in the amount we probably can't even get in the neighborhood of.

Here's a list of the highest paid DT's right now

http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/rankings/defensive-tackle/

So by saying we need to do whatever is possible to sign Suh, you're willing to spend 18-20M a year on Suh? Cause that's about what his projected annual salary is gonna be once all these teams with tons of cap space start fighting over him.

Personally I'd love to have Suh, but not at 20M a year, that'd cripple our cap and crush our D-line depth. If the dude's willing to take 12-15M a year to play in Seattle? God love him, but that's a pipe dream.

 

[MizzouHawkGal]

That's why we should give it our best shot to get him if he truly wants to play in Seattle. In my opinion he's a game changing type of player like Reggie White which means it would be worth doing pretty much whatever is possible to sign him.

But knowing how many teams have a lot of cap space and some of them contenders doesn't make me confident that we even have a serious chance at him because there's just no way he isn't going to get an insane amount of money in the amount we probably can't even get in the neighborhood of.

Here's a list of the highest paid DT's right now

http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/rankings/defensive-tackle/

So by saying we need to do whatever is possible to sign Suh, you're willing to spend 18-20M a year on Suh? Cause that's about what his projected annual salary is gonna be once all these teams with tons of cap space start fighting over him.

Personally I'd love to have Suh, but not at 20M a year, that'd cripple our cap and crush our D-line depth. If the dude's willing to take 12-15M a year to play in Seattle? God love him, but that's a pipe dream.

The thing is I really don't know how much we can afford because it may be a fact that we can pay him 18-20M without batting an eyelash and if that's the case we should do it because we wouldn't need to have a rotation in that spot anymore. We wouldn't need the depth we require currently and the defense would be objectively better in the bargain.

Looking at it from the outside with little understanding on how the money and cap works I just don't see how it would work when compared to other team's free cap space. With that as a factor I have little confidence that we're serious players even though we should be if at all possible.

 

[McGruff]

That's why we should give it our best shot to get him if he truly wants to play in Seattle. In my opinion he's a game changing type of player like Reggie White which means it would be worth doing pretty much whatever is possible to sign him.

But knowing how many teams have a lot of cap space and some of them contenders doesn't make me confident that we even have a serious chance at him because there's just no way he isn't going to get an insane amount of money in the amount we probably can't even get in the neighborhood of.

Here's a list of the highest paid DT's right now

http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/rankings/defensive-tackle/

So by saying we need to do whatever is possible to sign Suh, you're willing to spend 18-20M a year on Suh? Cause that's about what his projected annual salary is gonna be once all these teams with tons of cap space start fighting over him.

Personally I'd love to have Suh, but not at 20M a year, that'd cripple our cap and crush our D-line depth. If the dude's willing to take 12-15M a year to play in Seattle? God love him, but that's a pipe dream.

Try this instead . . . http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/rankings/ave ... ve-tackle/

That is the average yearly contract for a DT, not the 2015 cap hit alone. Taking that as a guage, a long term deal averaging about $15 million a year that escalates at the end of the contract is doable. Probably start with 8-10 million against the cap in 2015.

 

[Sgt. Largent]

We wouldn't need the depth we require currently and the defense would be objectively better in the bargain.

I disagree with this. The biggest difference between the 2013 and 2014 Hawks was not starting talent, it was depth........and oh boy did our lack of depth show in the Super Bowl, ESPECIALLY on the D-line.

I'd rather get back to the 5-7 man defensive line rotation with no one playing more than 60% of the snaps. It helps with injuries and it helps with the players feeling strong down the stretch.

 

[MizzouHawkGal]

We wouldn't need the depth we require currently and the defense would be objectively better in the bargain.

I disagree with this. The biggest difference between the 2013 and 2014 Hawks was not starting talent, it was depth........and oh boy did our lack of depth show in the Super Bowl, ESPECIALLY on the D-line.

I'd rather get back to the 5-7 man defensive line rotation with no one playing more than 60% of the snaps. It helps with injuries and it helps with the players feeling strong down the stretch.

No you get one guy that can play ALL the snaps and have all your depth for your edge rushers. Which means you dump 3-4 players and focus on other areas of weakness which most likely means the offense or the defensive backfield (at least for a portion of the season if everythng goes worst case scenerio).

 

[McGruff]

We wouldn't need the depth we require currently and the defense would be objectively better in the bargain.

I disagree with this. The biggest difference between the 2013 and 2014 Hawks was not starting talent, it was depth........and oh boy did our lack of depth show in the Super Bowl, ESPECIALLY on the D-line.

I'd rather get back to the 5-7 man defensive line rotation with no one playing more than 60% of the snaps. It helps with injuries and it helps with the players feeling strong down the stretch.

No, the biggest difference between 2013 and 2014 was injuries to depth. The Superbowl would've turned out much differently if we had Marsh, Hill, Scruggs or D'Anthony Smith out there instead of DeMarcus Dobbs, David King, Landon Cohen and WillTokuafu, none of which were even on a roster at the beginning of the season.

 

[netskier]

That is the Put All Of Your Eggs In One Basket principle. I prefer depth with multiple position players.

 

[Sgt. Largent]

We wouldn't need the depth we require currently and the defense would be objectively better in the bargain.

I disagree with this. The biggest difference between the 2013 and 2014 Hawks was not starting talent, it was depth........and oh boy did our lack of depth show in the Super Bowl, ESPECIALLY on the D-line.

I'd rather get back to the 5-7 man defensive line rotation with no one playing more than 60% of the snaps. It helps with injuries and it helps with the players feeling strong down the stretch.

No, the biggest difference between 2013 and 2014 was injuries to depth. The Superbowl would've turned out much differently if we had Marsh, Hill, Scruggs or D'Anthony Smith out there instead of DeMarcus Dobbs, David King, Landon Cohen and WillTokuafu, none of which were even on a roster at the beginning of the season.

None of these guys are even close to the 2013 Depth of Clem, Red, McDonald, etc........that's the kind of line we need to get back to. Which is my point, I'd rather have that kind of depth than relying on rookies and guys like Hill who haven't proven they can stay healthy.

 

[hawksurething]

http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/dallas-cowboys/henry-melton/

This is who hawks should go get instead of expensive suh. Suh is amazing but the most expensive free agent

Paea & Odrick too.

Hawks can get a DT,a DE,a CB at that price for the Def. 20 mill is a lot !

Then fill the biggest holes at zWR & xWR,TE clay or Greshem,then LG & RT with the Offensive cap space.

https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2 ... -interior/

 

[McGruff]

None of these guys are even close to the 2013 Depth of Clem, Red, McDonald, etc........that's the kind of line we need to get back to. Which is my point, I'd rather have that kind of depth than relying on rookies and guys like Hill who haven't proven they can stay healthy.

2013 Opening Day Roster - Chris Clemons, Brandon Mebane, Tony McDaniel, Red Bryant, Cliff Avril, O’Brian Schofield, D’Anthony Smith, Benson Mayowa, Jordan Hill, Michael Bennett.

Of those players, only Williams (IR) and Smith (PS) were not available for the Superbowl

2014 Opening Day Roster - Michael Bennett, Cliff Avril, Cassius Marsh, O’Brien Schofield, Brandon Mebane,, Kevin Williams, Tony McDaniel, Greg Scruggs, Jordan Hill

Of those players, Marsh, Mebane, Scruggs and Hill ended the season on IR. Williams was on the IR as well. Mid season we were recruiting guys out of car lots to play tackle. We were playing our FB at DE. We started the season with good depth, but it was quickly depleted . . . forcing starters to play more and leaving us thin when injuries happened in the SB. But the problem wasn't that we didn't have quality depth. Its that our quality depth was on the sideline in street clothes

The only place I consider the 2013 lineup stronger is having Avril coming off the bench.

 

[Basis4day]

None of these guys are even close to the 2013 Depth of Clem, Red, McDonald, etc........that's the kind of line we need to get back to. Which is my point, I'd rather have that kind of depth than relying on rookies and guys like Hill who haven't proven they can stay healthy.

2013 Opening Day Roster - Chris Clemons, Brandon Mebane, Tony McDaniel, Red Bryant, Cliff Avril, O’Brian Schofield, D’Anthony Smith, Benson Mayowa, Jordan Hill, Michael Bennett.

Of those players, only Williams (IR) and Smith (PS) were not available for the Superbowl

2014 Opening Day Roster - Michael Bennett, Cliff Avril, Cassius Marsh, O’Brien Schofield, Brandon Mebane,, Kevin Williams, Tony McDaniel, Greg Scruggs, Jordan Hill

Of those players, Marsh, Mebane, Scruggs and Hill ended the season on IR. Williams was on the IR as well. Mid season we were recruiting guys out of car lots to play tackle. We were playing our FB at DE. We started the season with good depth, but it was quickly depleted . . . forcing starters to play more and leaving us thin when injuries happened in the SB. But the problem wasn't that we didn't have quality depth. Its that our quality depth was on the sideline in street clothes

The only place I consider the 2013 lineup stronger is having Avril coming off the bench.

I think you guys are arguing two separate things. Opening Day Depth v End of Season Depth.