Raiders and Geno reach an agreement

[keasley45]

Yeah, I'm sure Geno is going to magically become a great QB in LV

He will have the tools to be better than he was here, starting with a coordinator who can actually call plays - Note. That's kind of important.

but anyway, I recall that same laugh when you and the 'Russelites' swore up and down he was destined for greatness when he was finally freed from meddling Pete, and i said it would be the beginning of the end of his career.

It was similar to the laugh that said Lock would beat Geno and that Drew should start because he was younger and had more potentia (they were basically the same)...

And echoed the laugh that rang out when some said Geno could be a viable starter and pretty good here - that he wasnt defined but some nonsense that happened 9 years earlier.

By all means, keep'em com'n

You've got your guy. Geno will do his thing in LV. Lets see what, uh... ginger... uh... Sam ... uh... Darnold can ... uh... do.

uh...

Go.. uh... Hawks!

 

[SoulfishHawk]

Let's bet a 6 pack which team will have a better record. You can have the Las Vegas Faiders, I'll take the Hawks.

Screw Geno. He wanted out, buh bye.

Go Hawks

 

[glenwo2]

Now, Sam comes here after having started in NY, (like Geno), having floundered every he went, and then landing in a spot with a GREAT coordinator who was UNDOUBTEDLY responsible for his success, ok run game, decent line and defense and he is seen as potentially a great get... as good as Geno ??

FULL STOP.

It was not decent whatsoever.

An underachieving Cam Robinson, Garrett Bradbury (career high 39 QB Pressures allowed), Ed Ingram (Poor Pass-blocker), Blake Brandel (allowed 41 QB Pressures)?

Yeah...the Vikings OL was soo "decent", they got rid of all but one of them and OVERPAID for Fries and Kelly.

GTFO of here with that "decent" shit.

 

[glenwo2]

BTW, the Vikings run game was "ok" until Aaron Jones wore down toward the middle of the season and Sam was put in more passing situations as a result.

 

[Scout]

Vegas will still be lucky to win 8 games.

That can apply to the Hawks too. That is why each season is any given Sunday.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

I'm down to bet which team will have a better record. I'll take the Hawks, you can have the LV GePicks

 

[Sperrydogg]

Which coordinator that he has had was capable of elevating his play? He credited working behind Manning and Rivers with sharpening his process and ability as a player. But he was never going to get a shot to actually replace either of them. And it was Manning in NY who basically said as much - that Geno got a raw deal when he actually did get a chance to start.

Lets not pretend that Waldron and Grubb were actually capable of elevating anything more than a coffee mug at breakfast. Waldron was inept and Grubbs stint has been summarily described as QB unfriendly in how stupidly predictable the passing concept were, how non existent the run game was, and how the net result was a scheme that made the QBS job HARDER, not easier.

Its funny. Geno comes here and is basically run out of town on .NET before he even played a snap. But then, with little run game, less protection, and no defense, he plays well enough to garner MVP talk, and he did all of the with WALDRON. A guy who cant even get a job as coordinator.

Now, Sam comes here after having started in NY, (like Geno), having floundered every he went, and then landing in a spot with a GREAT coordinator who was UNDOUBTEDLY responsible for his success, ok run game, decent line and defense and he is seen as potentially a great get... as good as Geno ??

Talk about a double standard.

But its heaven sent. because now after 4 years of residual hurt over Russ being replaced by Geno and Geno being the whipping boy for all things wrong with the offense and the reason we cant 'elevate', we have a guy who has walked a similar line as Smith, who gets all of the acclaim and none of the arrows. He is stepping into a better team that wont rely on him doing near what Geno did. Lets see how it goes. Finally, apples to apples.

There’s a big difference between, no, a huge difference between geno and Sam. It’s leadership. Geno was on the precipice despite his inept coaching and when it all came down to it he has never came out on top.
I have not once claimed Sam is it. Sam is the same chair holder that geno was with more dog more fight more humility and less money. I’ll take two years of Sam just like I woulda lived with two years of Geno. But I can’t stand Geno cause of his attitude and lack of dog. So I’m glad to be where we are and also look forward to what’s next

 

[Sperrydogg]

This GeNo stuff is unbelievable where is the truth?

Who is better and why?
Geno
Baker

I think this comparison is revealing because I wager most pro Geno’s here would say Geno is much better. But then why is baker seem to be sniffing at the door of the AFC and Geno is sniffing his gym bag while he cleans out his locker.

Baker is the standard for a bridge qb. You know there has to be a future but you love rooting for the dog in him. Geno does not inspire rooting for him because of his heart. It’s actually his lack of heart that is the worst part about having him as your qb.

Sam might not be as “talented” as geno but I’d rather have him on my side in a fight

 

[Hollandhawk]

FULL STOP.

It was not decent whatsoever.

An underachieving Cam Robinson, Garrett Bradbury (career high 39 QB Pressures allowed), Ed Ingram (Poor Pass-blocker), Blake Brandel (allowed 41 QB Pressures)?

Yeah...the Vikings OL was soo "decent", they got rid of all but one of them and OVERPAID for Fries and Kelly.

GTFO of here with that "decent" shit.

Yeah this! Minnesota's interior was absolutely atrocious.

 

[Hollandhawk]

BTW, the Vikings run game was "ok" until Aaron Jones wore down toward the middle of the season and Sam was put in more passing situations as a result.

They also were the proud first place holder of the stat of getting their running back hit the most behind the line of scrimmage within 10 yards of the end zone.

 

[keasley45]

FULL STOP.

It was not decent whatsoever.

An underachieving Cam Robinson, Garrett Bradbury (career high 39 QB Pressures allowed), Ed Ingram (Poor Pass-blocker), Blake Brandel (allowed 41 QB Pressures)?

Yeah...the Vikings OL was soo "decent", they got rid of all but one of them and OVERPAID for Fries and Kelly.

GTFO of here with that "decent" shit.

If that line was horrible, then wtf was ours? And if ours was orders of magnitude worse than theirs, why all the hemming ang hawing about Geno's performance.

But here, dont argue with me:

2024 Vikings Position Recap: Offensive Line

https://atozsports.com/nfl/minnesota-vikings-news/kevin-oconnell-says-what-every-viking-fan-thinking-after-brutal-loss-rams-christian-darrisaw/

If you dont wanna read the end one, here's the important part:

'The offensive line looked like a strength for much of the year. ESPN's pass block win rate had the Vikings second this season at 70%. However, most of the struggles the Vikings had came after that 2.5-second mark at which ESPN grades pass block win rate.
How much of it is really on the offensive line? Of the six sacks that happened in the first half, two of them came before 4.4 seconds, with all of them taking at least 3.2 seconds to get home.
You can argue that the Vikings need a better offensive line and you'd be right. However, how much of it is truly on the offensive line when head coach Kevin O'Connell is trying to continuously generate explosives? '

Much of the perception that the Vikings line was 'horrible' came over the last 2 games. Prior to that, they were better than average by a good bit in pass pro for the season.

And why were they so bad? It wasnt JUST the O -line, and McConnel bringing in new players is as much a defense of his questionable play calling in the playoffs as anything else. And the play calling failed in part because of McConnels insisting on hitting explosives, which was part scheme, and part a result of having a qb who doesnt have a quick passing game and NEEDS pocket time to hit PA.

Fact is, their line was decent and one of the better lines for the majority of the season. That they tried to get better and think they found pieces to do so doesnt change that. You cant be 'great' with decent pieces.

But yeah. Keep on boiling it down to basic logic and ignore the bigger picture. It will work until the season starts and 'Ginger' shows you first hand why the Vikes line went from decent to garbage over the last 2 games.

You'd think that with the experience of Russ making every line he's ever played behind look loke garbage, that folks would start to 'get it'.

 

[glenwo2]

If that line was horrible, then wtf was ours? And if ours was orders of magnitude worse than theirs, why all the hemming ang hawing about Geno's performance.

But here, dont argue with me:

2024 Vikings Position Recap: Offensive Line

https://atozsports.com/nfl/minnesota-vikings-news/kevin-oconnell-says-what-every-viking-fan-thinking-after-brutal-loss-rams-christian-darrisaw/

If you dont wanna read the end one, here's the important part:

'The offensive line looked like a strength for much of the year. ESPN's pass block win rate had the Vikings second this season at 70%. However, most of the struggles the Vikings had came after that 2.5-second mark at which ESPN grades pass block win rate.
How much of it is really on the offensive line? Of the six sacks that happened in the first half, two of them came before 4.4 seconds, with all of them taking at least 3.2 seconds to get home.
You can argue that the Vikings need a better offensive line and you'd be right. However, how much of it is truly on the offensive line when head coach Kevin O'Connell is trying to continuously generate explosives? '

Much of the perception that the Vikings line was 'horrible' came over the last 2 games. Prior to that, they were better than average by a good bit in pass pro for the season.

And why were they so bad? It wasnt JUST the O -line, and McConnel bringing in new players is as much a defense of his questionable play calling in the playoffs as anything else. And the play calling failed in part because of McConnels insisting on hitting explosives, which was part scheme, and part a result of having a qb who doesnt have a quick passing game and NEEDS pocket time to hit PA.

Fact is, their line was decent and one of the better lines for the majority of the season. That they tried to get better and think they found pieces to do so doesnt change that. You cant be 'great' with decent pieces.

But yeah. Keep on boiling it down to basic logic and ignore the bigger picture. It will work until the season starts and 'Ginger' shows you first hand why the Vikes line went from decent to garbage over the last 2 games.

You'd think that with the experience of Russ making every line he's ever played behind look loke garbage, that folks would start to 'get it'.

I take it you never saw this vid at all? I timestamped it. Please watch.




This guy lays it all out...with STATS and FACTS.

Not opinions.

Sorry if this bursts your bubble but the Minny Line was NOT decent whatsoever.


EDIT 4/14/25 : I really hope that you saw this vid, Keasley. Silence is not golden here as it implies you didn't bother watching it (and I don't want to assume anything here)

 

[Scout]

If that line was horrible, then wtf was ours? And if ours was orders of magnitude worse than theirs, why all the hemming ang hawing about Geno's performance.

But here, dont argue with me:

2024 Vikings Position Recap: Offensive Line

https://atozsports.com/nfl/minnesota-vikings-news/kevin-oconnell-says-what-every-viking-fan-thinking-after-brutal-loss-rams-christian-darrisaw/

If you dont wanna read the end one, here's the important part:

'The offensive line looked like a strength for much of the year. ESPN's pass block win rate had the Vikings second this season at 70%. However, most of the struggles the Vikings had came after that 2.5-second mark at which ESPN grades pass block win rate.
How much of it is really on the offensive line? Of the six sacks that happened in the first half, two of them came before 4.4 seconds, with all of them taking at least 3.2 seconds to get home.
You can argue that the Vikings need a better offensive line and you'd be right. However, how much of it is truly on the offensive line when head coach Kevin O'Connell is trying to continuously generate explosives? '

Much of the perception that the Vikings line was 'horrible' came over the last 2 games. Prior to that, they were better than average by a good bit in pass pro for the season.

And why were they so bad? It wasnt JUST the O -line, and McConnel bringing in new players is as much a defense of his questionable play calling in the playoffs as anything else. And the play calling failed in part because of McConnels insisting on hitting explosives, which was part scheme, and part a result of having a qb who doesnt have a quick passing game and NEEDS pocket time to hit PA.

Fact is, their line was decent and one of the better lines for the majority of the season. That they tried to get better and think they found pieces to do so doesnt change that. You cant be 'great' with decent pieces.

But yeah. Keep on boiling it down to basic logic and ignore the bigger picture. It will work until the season starts and 'Ginger' shows you first hand why the Vikes line went from decent to garbage over the last 2 games.

You'd think that with the experience of Russ making every line he's ever played behind look loke garbage, that folks would start to 'get it'.

Great post with a lot of factual information. Thank you.

 

[HawkRiderFan]

The more I hear about the Pets / Geno relationship and them talking all last year I think it's actually the Hawks who would have had to pay a premium to keep Geno. I think he really wanted to go join Pete

 

[toffee]

but anyway, I recall that same laugh when you and the 'Russelites' swore up and down he was destined for greatness when he was finally freed from meddling Pete, and i said it would be the beginning of the end of his career.

Yes sir, you sure did make that prediction, and I was in awe of the boldness.