QB countdown w/Russ ESPN coming up

[NFL_Football2013]

Honestly I could care less where RW is placed on the list after last years performance. To me RW is better then Luck and RGIII and definitely better then Keaperdink although all three are very good. RW is special, work ethic, leadership ability, command of the huddle, communication ability, I haven't yet mentioned football skills. I think this year, Wilson will prove he can be and is, the most proficient QB in football.

what do you call this?

 

[NinerBuff]

These rankings are stupid...

I think the tier method is much better, because there are too many factors to stack players against one-another:

Tier 1 (Future HOFers, play the game at the highest level year after year):
Brady, Rodgers, P. Manning, Brees

Historical:
Montana, Bradshaw, Marino, Aikmen, Unitas

Tier 2 (Probably Future HOFers, Very Good QBs, usually mistake free with a few hiccups):
E. Manning, Roethlisberger

Historical:
Young, Kosar, Favre, Fouts, Stauback, Moon, Tarkenton

Tier 3 (Good not Great):
Stafford, Rivers, Romo, Shaub, Flacco, Ryan, A. Smith, Cutler

Tier 4 (Up-and-Comers):
Luck, RGIII, Newton, Kaep, Wilson, Tannehill

Tier 5 (Game Managers):
Freeman, Palmer, Locker, Vick, Ponder, Dalton

Tier 6 (meh)
Gabbert, Sanchez, Flynn, Manuel, Weeden

For the record, I would take everyone other than Tannehill in Tier 4 over everyone in Tier 3. But these guys have to show it again for me to put them into the same group as Eli and Big Ben.

 

[hawker84]

interesting you don't have Favre in the future HOF catagory.. I believe he has a few records under his belt, Yes?

 

[mikeak]

Ninerbuff - I like the process (not going into individual rankings) but since you have Sanchez in Tier 6 I say you really need a Tier 7. You know how there are the Razzies to be the complete opposite to Oscars? You know way below meh like in NO WAY EVER - like in Hall of Stink.........

That is where I would put Sanchez. Otherwise pretty good with the list and agree with the premise

 

[NinerBuff]

interesting you don't have Favre in the future HOF catagory.. I believe he has a few records under his belt, Yes?

Too many bone-head moves in super important times, unfortunately like Steve Young. Aikmen might not have had the skills of Young or Favre, but he made the most of his opportunities.

I was on the fence about Peyton, but he's just too damn robotic not to be in Tier 1.

 

[mikeak]

Kaep is overrated. By everyone, everywhere. His frame is brittle, and defenses are going to have him well covered this year.

I say he suffers one of the most notable sophomore slumps seen in recent years.

There, I said it.

When my kids say they have a problem with one other kid down the street I pretty much think it is the other kid that is the problem. When my kids say they have a problem with every single kid on the street then I think my kid is the problem....

So when everyone is overrating Kaep I think it may be just barely possible that you are under-rating him.........

 

[dbsn2420]

Honestly I could care less where RW is placed on the list after last years performance. To me RW is better then Luck and RGIII and definitely better then Keaperdink although all three are very good. RW is special, work ethic, leadership ability, command of the huddle, communication ability, I haven't yet mentioned football skills. I think this year, Wilson will prove he can be and is, the most proficient QB in football.

what do you call this?

Jeez, talk about psycho-analysis..... Exactly, my opinion.... After we see this coming up season play out, Wilson, I believe, will be the most proficient QB in NFL Football.

No where in my previous comments did I say Wilson was better then Rogers, Mannings, Brees, (insert whoever) other than RGIII, Luck, and Keapernick, right now, in my opinion. We shall see in due time.... :snack:

 

[dbsn2420]

Based on last years numbers, NFL.Com QB RTG. I know QBR does not always tell the whole story, but this is a good indicator that Wilson is just getting started and the reason my optimism for him TO BE the most proficient QB.

Rogers 108
Manning, P 105.8
RGIII 102.4
Wilson 100
Brady 98.7
Keapernick 98.3
Brees 96.3
Schaub 90.7
Flacco 87.7
Eli M. 87.2
Luck 76.5

 

[HawKnPeppa]

Kaep shouldn't be higher than him. Luck, I can deal with.

That is the only thing that bothers me. Keap being rated higher. I was surprised he was rated over RG3 and well if Schaub is rated above him that should tell you all about the validity of this list.

Jaws gave into his own bias. Shaub's game and physical tools are similar to what Jaws used to have.

 

[HawKnPeppa]

I wouldn't trade Wilson for anybody , But for Wilson to be ranked 12th? That's FINE with me.

not sure why some people get angry over those things but then again that's why these lists are made.

You honestly wouldn't straight up trade Andrew Luck for Wilson? Just imagine what Luck could do with those WRs and that defense... It would be incredible to see.

Yeah his 54% comp % and 6.98 YPA were breathtaking. Oh wait, Wilson had 64.1% and 7.93 YPA were much better.

Yet with so many more passing attempts Luck threw 3 less TD's. The fact of the matter was Wilson was much more efficient and more productive per opportunity given to throw. Lucks TD/ATT %= 3.67%, or 27.26 throws per TD, Wilson's was 6.61% or every 15.11 throws= TD.

So yeah, I'd take Wilson over Luck. (though I do like Luck alot - I really like his self-deprecating personality.) Both should be really good QB's for a long time.

When you have no running game, QB efficiency drops. If Andrew Luck had to throw less than every other team in the NFL as Wilson did this year, no doubt he would have a higher completion percentage and less interceptions.

C'mon guys, this is football basics. I know it's exciting to have a good QB, but you can't be so blind to the fact that Lynch makes a HUGE difference in the passing game.

You come up with a bag of excuses for Luck, then talk about 'football basics?' Nevermind you ignore the fact that Luck had WAY more attempts, but had less TDs. :-?

 

[misfit]

I wouldn't trade Wilson for anybody , But for Wilson to be ranked 12th? That's FINE with me.

not sure why some people get angry over those things but then again that's why these lists are made.

You honestly wouldn't straight up trade Andrew Luck for Wilson? Just imagine what Luck could do with those WRs and that defense... It would be incredible to see.

Are you kidding me no way. What makes luck better?

He throws more interceptions.

 

[WilsonMVP]

When you have no running game, QB efficiency drops. If Andrew Luck had to throw less than every other team in the NFL as Wilson did this year, no doubt he would have a higher completion percentage and less interceptions.

C'mon guys, this is football basics. I know it's exciting to have a good QB, but you can't be so blind to the fact that Lynch makes a HUGE difference in the passing game.

You come up with a bag of excuses for Luck, then talk about 'football basics?' Nevermind you ignore the fact that Luck had WAY more attempts, but had less TDs. :-?

Correct me if im wrong but didnt Rodgers have the highest QBR. The Packers running game was about equal to Indys. I would also say that the Redskins running game was better than the Seahawks if you are bringing RG3 into this as well since they were Number 1 in Yards and 2 in TDs.

May I also point out luck was 5th in the NFL in attempts and he had the worst rating of those 5 players. Stafford, Brees, Romo, and Brady were all above him in attempts. Stafford and Luck had below 80 QB rating while Brees, Romo and Brady all had over 90.

In any comparison of Luck Vs Wilson I LOVE!!!!!! To bring this Article up
http://espn.go.com/blog/nfcwest/post/_/ ... -opponents

2012 Luck-Wilson vs. 8 Common Opp.
QB Luck Wilson
W-L 5-3 6-2
Action plays 441 310
Dropbacks 397 250
Completions 197 137
Attempts 364 213
Comp. pct. 54.1 64.3
Pass yards 2,573 1,742
Yards/attempt 7.1 8.2
Pass TD 14 17
INT 13 1
NFL rating 74.6 114.4
Sack pct. 5.2 5.6
Pass FD 120 84
Avg. pass dist. 10.1 9.3
30+ passes 10 10
Rushes 24 48
Rush yards 115 306
Rush TD 1 3
Rush FD 10 20
Fumbles 6 4
Fumbles lost 3 2
QB PAA +25.2 +40.2
QB PAR +61.8 +66.0
Total QBR 68.1 84.8

The ratio of total touchdowns to total turnovers is 20-3 for Wilson and 14-16 for Luck.

 

[MizzouHawkGal]

When you have no running game, QB efficiency drops. If Andrew Luck had to throw less than every other team in the NFL as Wilson did this year, no doubt he would have a higher completion percentage and less interceptions.

C'mon guys, this is football basics. I know it's exciting to have a good QB, but you can't be so blind to the fact that Lynch makes a HUGE difference in the passing game.

You come up with a bag of excuses for Luck, then talk about 'football basics?' Nevermind you ignore the fact that Luck had WAY more attempts, but had less TDs. :-?

Correct me if im wrong but didnt Rodgers have the highest QBR. The Packers running game was about equal to Indys. I would also say that the Redskins running game was better than the Seahawks if you are bringing RG3 into this as well since they were Number 1 in Yards and 2 in TDs.

Good point.

 

[Mick063]

There is no way in hell I swap Russ for any QB in the league.

Factor in age, efficiency, leadership, poise.

Can I live with an ESPN talking head ranking him at 12?

Certainly.

I have so much confidence in Russ, that this trivial ranking BS is amusing. He will tear the league up and folks will try to credit Marshawn, Percy, the defense, anyone but Russ. I really don't give a damn.

The bottom line is that Russ will tear the league up and I will joyfully watch every moment.

 

[PlinytheCenter]

Luck has 5 bye weeks every year for at least the next 2-3 years as the Jags and Flaming Thumbtacks suck, which will help inflate his numbers.

 

[ImTheScientist]

Why can't Seahawks fans be happy with the fact that they have a good QB? If anyone "ranks" Luck, RG3 or Kaepernick higher than Wilson, they're always immediately labeled as stupid, fans of the team that was ranked higher or a Seahawk hater. Maybe people just have different opinions about how good these players are?

Don't try to understand it. Many of these same guys thought Flynn was the man a year ago and continued to post about how he should be starting till about mid season. Fans are crazy.

When the regular season starts its entertaining to read what's written if the hawks lose. Overreaction is common.

 

[WilsonMVP]

Why can't Seahawks fans be happy with the fact that they have a good QB? If anyone "ranks" Luck, RG3 or Kaepernick higher than Wilson, they're always immediately labeled as stupid, fans of the team that was ranked higher or a Seahawk hater. Maybe people just have different opinions about how good these players are?

Don't try to understand it. Many of these same guys thought Flynn was the man a year ago and continued to post about how he should be starting till about mid season. Fans are crazy.

When the regular season starts its entertaining to read what's written if the hawks lose. Overreaction is common.

Cant wait for the season to start. I think the Hawks have one of the best teams in the NFL and believe the NFC is a 3 team race between Atlanta,SF, and Seattle.

I didnt post here at the begining of last season but after seeing Wilson in his first Preseason game I was wishing so hard that he would get the Start in the next preseason game or the one after that. I know after seeing him in Preseason he should be our QB and thank god Pete did as well. I thought Flynn would of been ok, certainly not bad, but Wilson just had that extra something that Flynn didnt have and I wanted to watch Wilson.

 

[MizzouHawkGal]

Nearly every, if not all Flynn supporters pretty much owned up to their shortsighted view (pun intended). Myself? I was a Flynn nonbeliever from the start and was absolutely convinced that Wilson was a franchise quarterback after I saw him live versus Kansas City. You can check my post history if you like.

Without that sight I thought he would be our 2013 starter given his Rose Bowl performance and the fact he was the best quarterback in the NCAA in 2011. I viewed Flynn as 1 year placeholder that would be capable of winning a game TJack would lose because of horrible performance in the 2 minute drill.

 

[SmokinHawk]

Nearly every, if not all Flynn supporters pretty much owned up to their shortsighted view (pun intended). Myself? I was a Flynn nonbeliever from the start and was absolutely convinced that Wilson was a franchise quarterback after I saw him live versus Kansas City. You can check my post history if you like.

I, too, was a believer after seeing the KC game in preseason. He just did not look like a rookie at all. I was already buying into the hype from the Gruden QB camp video, in addition to all the college footage I saw, but that preseason game versus KC was where I knew he was legit. He played with a certain flash, a confident panache, that was just not there with Flynn.

Watching his rookie season unfold was a dream come true and a major breath of fresh air. In his rookie season, we were treated to the best QB play from any Hawk QB, ever. Despite being glued to the screen during his games, I couldn't help thinking that we were just seeing the tip of the iceberg.

 

[RedAlice]

These rankings are stupid...

I think the tier method is much better, because there are too many factors to stack players against one-another:

Tier 1 (Future HOFers, play the game at the highest level year after year):
Brady, Rodgers, P. Manning, Brees

Historical:
Montana, Bradshaw, Marino, Aikmen, Unitas

Tier 2 (Probably Future HOFers, Very Good QBs, usually mistake free with a few hiccups):
E. Manning, Roethlisberger

Historical:
Young, Kosar, Favre, Fouts, Stauback, Moon, Tarkenton

Tier 3 (Good not Great):
Stafford, Rivers, Romo, Shaub, Flacco, Ryan, A. Smith, Cutler

Tier 4 (Up-and-Comers):
Luck, RGIII, Newton, Kaep, Wilson, Tannehill

Tier 5 (Game Managers):
Freeman, Palmer, Locker, Vick, Ponder, Dalton

Tier 6 (meh)
Gabbert, Sanchez, Flynn, Manuel, Weeden

For the record, I would take everyone other than Tannehill in Tier 4 over everyone in Tier 3. But these guys have to show it again for me to put them into the same group as Eli and Big Ben.

Tier 7 must be (Forgettable)