Poll: If Russ retired today does he make the HOF?

[FrodosFinger]

Because Geno broke his so called record in one season of starting

 

[BASF]

Because Geno broke his so called record in one season of starting
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Major asterisk there with the extra game though.

 

[FrodosFinger]

Major asterisk there with the extra game though.

Who gives a sh!t it’s still funny and very telling

 

[Hawkspeed]

I want to see #3 doing the "intro" speech for Richard Sherman's induction into the Hall of Fame.

 

[Hawk4life]

I find the whole Russ trade extremely gratifying and talking HOF is hilarious. His trade was one of the best bait and switch deals ever. Russ is 1 dimensional, he is too short. But our team needed what he had, the ability to avoid sacks, protect the ball and throw accurately on the run. Remember watching him trying to be a pocket passer? I recall most of us agreeing that he should be rolling out on every play. It's what he is good at. We were pissed because we didn't know who was behind this nonsense, PC, OC, QC or Russ himself.

Up until we won the super bowl the Seahawks were barely known as a NFL team. Even during Holmgren's era and the MVP, Shaun Alexander we were still the under dog, ugly step-child team somewhere on the west coast. I love that we convinced the entire NFL that Russ is an elite QB and got paid.

 

[Sgt. Largent]

I want to see #3 doing the "intro" speech for Richard Sherman's induction into the Hall of Fame.

What's the time record on intro speeches. Cause Russ would break it, as he names every person, coach and player, past and present he knows off the top of his head, including the janitors, parking lot attendants and lunch ladies at the VMAC cafeteria.

 

[IndyHawk]

Good point about different eras when making statistical comparisons between QB's. For instance, the Chicago Bears defense of the 1980's (one of the all time great D's) would virtually be illegal under today's rules. They wreaked havoc on opposing QB's, and knocking QB's out of games was a fairly routine occurrence at their peak.

There used to be You Tube of the only game the 85 Bears lost and it was to Dan Marino,
He was picking them apart with quick passes..Fun to watch
Put Me3 in 80's-He'd be fun till he got killed going off script by the D or Knox.

 

[RiverDog]

There used to be You Tube of the only game the 85 Bears lost and it was to Dan Marino,
He was picking them apart with quick passes..Fun to watch
Put Me3 in 80's-He'd be fun till he got killed going off script by the D or Knox.

Lots of things were different back then. Although quarterbacks have always been a critical component, offenses weren't as quarterback centric. Running backs played all 3 downs. Bump and run was legal. Pass blocking for an offensive lineman was an afterthought. No such thing as 3 or 4 wide receiver sets. More so than any other professional sport, football has changed radically from what it was in the past.

 

[bigskydoc]

Russell's contemporaries are players like Brady, Brees, Rothlisberger, and Rodgers.

Russell is a bridge player between the older generation of Brady, Rodgers, and Brees, and the younger generation of Mahomes, Allen, Burrow, etc.

He won't be able to hold his own against either, in the running for a jacket. The younger generation will blow away most of his stats, largely due to having a larger portion of their careers spent in the QB friendly environment. The older generation have more accomplishments.

His best hope for an induction is that there is a lull year or two where the older candidates have already been picked over, but the younger generation is not yet eligible. He can be the shining star in a lackluster class. Unfortunately for him, these will be the years that the selection committee will be looking more towards those who have been overlooked, and those who are worthy of induction, despite playing "less valuable" roles (Kickers etc)

 

[keasley45]

Not to hijack the thread, but I'd be curios to know how people would lean if they could vote only one player in for the HOF - Beastmode or Russ. If you took into consideration each players career numbers and impact on this team and its ultimate success, which would get the nod if you could only let one in.

 

[BASF]

Not to hijack the thread, but I'd be curios to know how people would lean if they could vote only one player in for the HOF - Beastmode or Russ. If you took into consideration each players career numbers and impact on this team and its ultimate success, which would get the nod if you could only let one in.

Start a poll.

 

[RiverDog]

Russell is a bridge player between the older generation of Brady, Rodgers, and Brees, and the younger generation of Mahomes, Allen, Burrow, etc.

He won't be able to hold his own against either, in the running for a jacket. The younger generation will blow away most of his stats, largely due to having a larger portion of their careers spent in the QB friendly environment. The older generation have more accomplishments.

His best hope for an induction is that there is a lull year or two where the older candidates have already been picked over, but the younger generation is not yet eligible. He can be the shining star in a lackluster class. Unfortunately for him, these will be the years that the selection committee will be looking more towards those who have been overlooked, and those who are worthy of induction, despite playing "less valuable" roles (Kickers etc)

I agree. Russell's draft class, ie Andrew Luck and RG3, and Colin Kaepernick and Cam Newton, chosen a year ahead of Russ, have for one reason or another taken themselves out of any possible HOF consideration, so he's essentially in a class by himself, which would be to his advantage.

But the problem for Russell is how he's going to be remembered. IMO he's in a situation a lot like Matt Ryan, who won a league MVP, a SB appearance, and has an impressive career stat line (top 10 in both yards and TD passes), but not very many people think of him as HOF material due to his recent performances and that of the Falcons and Colts. That's why I felt that even before the trade, Russell was going to need another ring or a league MVP to put himself in the running. Right now, he's on a path like that of Ryan, Joe Flacco, and Cam Newton.

 

[Seahawker]

RW couldn't even get 20% of .net to give a thumbs up for the HOF.
People are entitled to their opinions but IMHO Sherm, BWagz, Kam, Earl and ML are not HOF material either, maybe a case could be made for 0ne or two, but borderline at best. Hard to make it in as a safety or RB without a big resume that includes longevity.
WJ*CK*SL*KE*
Russ & Bobby are still making their case.

 

[hawkfan68]

Today, Russell doesn’t get in. If he has a revival back to his old form under Payton and reaches the 50,000 or above mark in total yards passing, then he will be in. He’s currently at 40,583 total yards. If he continues at his current pace it would take him about 3 years. So he could be close.

 

[ZornLargentPatera]

I voted "no," but if he wins a Super Bowl with the Broncos before he's done, obviously he's in.

But boy is the Broncos organization hamstrung now with all of the important draft picks they've given up between Wilson and now Payton.

 

[schkoot]

Not to hijack the thread, but I'd be curios to know how people would lean if they could vote only one player in for the HOF - Beastmode or Russ. If you took into consideration each players career numbers and impact on this team and its ultimate success, which would get the nod if you could only let one in.

Beastmode all day.

 

[RiverDog]

Beastmode all day.

I agree. Beast mode defined that era of Seahawk football, a smash mouth, take no prisoners attitude. He was the heart and soul of our team.

That's not taking anything away from Russell.

 

[Hawknballs]

No unless he turns it around with a couple more prolific seasons and playoff runs. He will need to appear as a Superstar again in some big games to even consider it.

That being said, the amount of manufactured Russ hate here is about as corny as his persona. People here and on sports radio act like the guy was a bum his last season in Seattle. Sure he was hurt a few games - and still threw for 25 TDs to 6 picks, a 103 rating and a slightly higher completion percentage than his career average.

 

[RiverDog]

No unless he turns it around with a couple more prolific seasons and playoff runs. He will need to appear as a Superstar again in some big games to even consider it.

That being said, the amount of manufactured Russ hate here is about as corny as his persona. People here and on sports radio act like the guy was a bum his last season in Seattle. Sure he was hurt a few games - and still threw for 25 TDs to 6 picks, a 103 rating and a slightly higher completion percentage than his career average.

IMO Russell doesn't need multiple prolific seasons to get his gold jacket, at least not with how low the HOF bar has been set recently (see Kenny Stabler). Russ already has one ring with some decent but not gaudy career numbers, and as another poster pointed out, there's no other QB's in his age range that would form his competition. IMO he has one more SB run that yields a Lombardi/SB MVP and he's in.

But I agree completely with your take on the hate. Sometimes we let our emotions reshape our perception of history.

 

[Hawknballs]

IMO Russell doesn't need multiple prolific seasons to get his gold jacket, at least not with how low the HOF bar has been set recently (see Kenny Stabler). Russ already has one ring with some decent but not gaudy career numbers, and as another poster pointed out, there's no other QB's in his age range that would form his competition. IMO he has one more SB run that yields a Lombardi/SB MVP and he's in.

But I agree completely with your take on the hate. Sometimes we let our emotions reshape our perception of history.

another SB ring on a different team would certainly cement it IMHO. My "multiple prolific seasons" assumes no more superbowls simply because the odds are stacked against pretty much everyone trying to win the next few years. I was simply suggesting a more realistic route back to the HoF, so barring another Lombardi I think he's gotta have a couple more good years.