Pete or Brian you can't have both

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I feel like Pete and Brian are both alpha males. It is hard for them to exist on the same staff.

I would pick Pete personally, but I think you clearly have to pick one. Not a bad problem to have because this team, with a few tweaks, can win the Super Bowl next year. We saw it, they were streaky this year but we saw it.

You need to buy into one ideology though.

1) Game changing offensive techniques with Brian

2) Old school hard hitting defense with Pete

You can't co-exist with both primarily because each philosophy requires a different training program, offseason especially, and a different game day game plan.

Pick one and win.

We have seen that we sink when we try to do both.
 

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I would pick Brian he showed in the first 5 game she can call a great offensive game. PC neutered it
 

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I pick Brian, hoping that he finds the best coach for his defense and gives him full/most reign. Hopefully Schneider stays and maybe Pete can be a db coach

Seriously I love Pete for the most part, but he either needs to stay out of the offense entirely, or just enough to where he doesn't neuter them. If Wilson was demoralized by his interception streak, then his head coach needs to help him get back on track, not turtle up and neuter him.
 

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I think it’s time to move on from both.
Pete’s “5 year free pass” for making it to and winning one super bowl has expired.
 
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cymatica":212hkp02 said:
I pick Brian, hoping that he finds the best coach for his defense and gives him full/most reign. Hopefully Schneider stays and maybe Pete can be a db coach

Seriously I love Pete for the most part, but he either needs to stay out of the offense entirely, or just enough to where he doesn't neuter them. If Wilson was demoralized by his interception streak, then his head coach needs to help him get back on track, not turtle up and neuter him.

Pete isn't taking a demotion. He is going to be 70 soon, he will probably coach for 10 more years and then retire. But it won't be as a position coach.

If he got fired here, he would have his choice of positions.
 
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Sports Hernia":2djttl1j said:
I think it’s time to move on from both.
Pete’s “5 year free pass” for making it to and winning one super bowl has expired.

If we had Schotty here, Pete would have two.

So I consider him as having two. That play call was not his fault.
 
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Maelstrom787":27i9p6o7 said:
Pete, because I like winning.

Same.

I said it earlier Pete and Brian both being alphas, in that scenario I think you pick the senior alpha. He knows things Brian just doesn't know.
 
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potatohead33":2br0bzhj said:
Maelstrom787":2br0bzhj said:
Pete, because I like winning.

12-4 means little after days like yesterday

There are like 17 other teams that disagree.

(I didn't do the math but I mean all the non playoff teams)
 

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potatohead33":28tdeyt3 said:
Maelstrom787":28tdeyt3 said:
Pete, because I like winning.

12-4 means little after days like yesterday

Picking a generally unsuccessful coach over Pete Carroll and tasking him with continuing to get you 10 or more wins every season as a basic expectation is absolutely insane
 
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Maelstrom787":2we40uoy said:
potatohead33":2we40uoy said:
Maelstrom787":2we40uoy said:
Pete, because I like winning.

12-4 means little after days like yesterday

Picking a generally unsuccessful coach over Pete Carroll and tasking him with continuing to get you 10 or more wins every season as a basic expectation is absolutely insane

Exactly.

I think.
 

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I think a lot of you but hugging Pete Carroll assume Pete Carroll is why we even went 12-4..

Take off the damn goggles and understand it’s Russell, he’s why we have been winning, NOT PETE. Pete chases names, Harvin, Graham, Clowney, Harrison. Without Russell Pete would be bye bye.

I’ll take Brian. First 5 games We saw what this team can be a capable of without Pete neutering the offense and forcing the ball to most time regardless who a below average unhealthy RB. After that, Pete forced his way and the team looked no different than any previous year, no magic, no “easiness” feeling (unlike the frost five games of this year), struggle for 3 quarters just for Wilson to bail his ass out.

**** Pete Carroll
 

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12th And Loud":12n0m796 said:
cymatica":12n0m796 said:
I pick Brian, hoping that he finds the best coach for his defense and gives him full/most reign. Hopefully Schneider stays and maybe Pete can be a db coach

Seriously I love Pete for the most part, but he either needs to stay out of the offense entirely, or just enough to where he doesn't neuter them. If Wilson was demoralized by his interception streak, then his head coach needs to help him get back on track, not turtle up and neuter him.

Pete isn't taking a demotion. He is going to be 70 soon, he will probably coach for 10 more years and then retire. But it won't be as a position coach.

If he got fired here, he would have his choice of positions.

I know he would not be the db coach. It's a hypothetical
 

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Pete 100% with the assumption he vacates his involvement with the offense and hires a young, exciting OC with full control.
 

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mistaowen":316n1f18 said:
Pete 100% with the assumption he vacates his involvement with the offense and hires a young, exciting OC with full control.

Pete will NEVER do that though.

It's clear to me now that Bevel was not the problem. We still see the same inside zone runs that everyone knows are coming, long developing routes with no check downs and Russ getting sacked too much.
 

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JPatera76":2yxtdhat said:
I think a lot of you but hugging Pete Carroll assume Pete Carroll is why we even went 12-4..

Take off the damn goggles and understand it’s Russell, he’s why we have been winning, NOT PETE. Pete chases names, Harvin, Graham, Clowney, Harrison. Without Russell Pete would be bye bye.

I’ll take Brian. First 5 games We saw what this team can be a capable of without Pete neutering the offense and forcing the ball to most time regardless who a below average unhealthy RB. After that, Pete forced his way and the team looked no different than any previous year, no magic, no “easiness” feeling (unlike the frost five games of this year), struggle for 3 quarters just for Wilson to bail his ass out.

**** Pete Carroll

I mean, most of this is conjecture, though.

Schottenheimer is a guy whose been known to embrace run heavy offenses and subscribes to the same dubious nonsense Carroll does, like the magic rule of 50.

Difference is, Carroll is a proven winner, and Schottenheimer isn't. With Schottenheimer's track record, its unreasonable to assume that he's fully responsible for the philosophy shift and the brief success it brought.
 

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If schottenheimer can't get Russ to run the office he draws up and get the ball out the way its supposed to and manage the game, then he should go the same way bevell went.

I think both are responsible for not holding Russ more accountable.

Question now is how much of what Russ is doing (or not doing) is because he can't and how much is because he stubbornly won't.

But to your question. Schotty should go well before PC
 
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cymatica":3j6u6jg6 said:
12th And Loud":3j6u6jg6 said:
cymatica":3j6u6jg6 said:
I pick Brian, hoping that he finds the best coach for his defense and gives him full/most reign. Hopefully Schneider stays and maybe Pete can be a db coach

Seriously I love Pete for the most part, but he either needs to stay out of the offense entirely, or just enough to where he doesn't neuter them. If Wilson was demoralized by his interception streak, then his head coach needs to help him get back on track, not turtle up and neuter him.

Pete isn't taking a demotion. He is going to be 70 soon, he will probably coach for 10 more years and then retire. But it won't be as a position coach.

If he got fired here, he would have his choice of positions.

I know he would not be the db coach. It's a hypothetical

Thanks for clarifying. Sorry for getting the thing messed up with Wade Phillips still coaching the Rams earlier. I think I upset some people with that, wasn't my intention.
 
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mistaowen":b6ebkxde said:
Pete 100% with the assumption he vacates his involvement with the offense and hires a young, exciting OC with full control.

You can't stipulate on a hall of fame coach.

Not sure if stipulate is the right conjecture there but I think you know what I am trying to say.
 
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