Pete needs to look himself in the mirror.

[evergreen]

It's on to the Commanders. Throw this out in the trash and move on.

 

[TwistedHusky]

When you lose 14-3, blaming the offense and especially the QB makes sense. Maybe even 21-3.

37-3 losses means everyone takes the blame.

Nobody did a good enough job yesterday.

 

[scutterhawk]

Why should he do such a thing? He does his thing and don’t give a shit because nobody tells him otherwise. Ownership should care about winning, but all they care about is filling seats and TV $ streams. Nothing is going to change until we get an owner that wats to win, not make money.

Of course, this assessment is full of assumptions, but that is how it feels

Just speculatin' here, It could be that Maybe Jodi Allen has faith in Pete Carroll because it was him who brought home the Seahawks first Lombardi for her Big Brother Paul to hoist up?

 

[hawkfan68]

I hope yesterday’s game opened the whole team’s eyes and they will be better prepared from here on out. They were very unprepared for this game. That’s on everyone....coaches and players.

 

[ccla]

Just speculatin' here, It could be that Maybe Jodi Allen has faith in Pete Carroll because it was him who brought home the Seahawks first Lombardi for her Big Brother Paul to hoist up?

Yeah I understand that, but then proceeded to make an exception in his philosophy because we had a fragile ego at the most important position on the field. I am sorry, that is the thing that still stick in my tracheae. I wanted Peter gone with Wilson, then last season I softened in this stance because I thought he finally got it. But now I feel that he reverted back to the same modus operandi: Always compete (unless I make an exception).
And by the way, like I said yesterday in the game forum, you cannot win a game in the first three quarters, but you can surely lose it!

 

[Aircrew]

Except for Krieg could be damn good when he was on, and won a lot of games. Dude passed for 38 thousand yards and had 261 touchdown passes.
Bad comparison, Geno has never been at the Dave Krieg level.

I was more thinking about the Dr. Jekyll/Mr. Hyde nature of Krieg, which is very similar to Geno. When Dave was on, he was among the best in the league. When he was cold, holy sh*t he was awful.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

Yeah, very true. When he was bad, we would call him Krag

 

[keasley45]

I'm starting to wonder if Waldron has a future beyind this year if this BS continues. I honestly see him as a 3nd in command to a more seasoned, strategy oriented OC. The guy who helps conceives the plays and strategy, but isn't responsible for the chess game that pkays out on Sundays. Kind of like he was with the Rams.

It really does feel like he's trying too hard to look like the next play design genius instead of just focusing on situational play calling.

He's like the magician who tries to hide the fact that his trick is really basic, by waving is hands around all over the place, popping smoke and yelling Abrakadabra over and over. There's too much flourish and not enough substance.

I also wonder if Pete is extending too much runway to the guy in an effort to clear his own name from those who labeled him a 'grind it out', ground and pound dinosaur of an offensive strategist. And, that he's maybe asking that the offense be based too much on play action. PA is good when you have a running game to play off of. Wr look like the idiot magician when the running game isn't working, and there isn't anything Geno or any other qb can do about it.

 

[knownone]

I'm starting to wonder if Waldron has a future beyind this year if this BS continues. I honestly see him as a 3nd in command to a more seasoned, strategy oriented OC. The guy who helps conceives the plays and strategy, but isn't responsible for the chess game that pkays out on Sundays. Kind of like he was with the Rams.

It really does feel like he's trying too hard to look like the next play design genius instead of just focusing on situational play calling.

He's like the magician who tries to hide the fact that his trick is really basic, by waving is hands around all over the place, popping smoke and yelling Abrakadabra over and over. There's too much flourish and not enough substance.

I also wonder if Pete is extending too much runway to the guy in an effort to clear his own name from those who labeled him a 'grind it out', ground and pound dinosaur of an offensive strategist. And, that he's maybe asking that the offense be based too much on play action. PA is good when you have a running game to play off of. Wr look like the idiot magician when the running game isn't working, and there isn't anything Geno or any other qb can do about it.

Agreed.

It also feels like the league has figured out the McVay-style motion offense. Outside of Minnesota, none of the teams running a variation of that scheme are doing well offensively.

 

[cymatica]

When you lose 14-3, blaming the offense and especially the QB makes sense. Maybe even 21-3.

37-3 losses means everyone takes the blame.

Nobody did a good enough job yesterday.

It only turned into 37 after 3 quarters of zero offense completely gassed the defense out. At a certain point, human nature plays a part and they were just trying to finish the game and get the hell out of there. Defense gave them several short fields, turnovers, and punts just to have to get right back on the field and face an offense that actually had a plan

 

[renofox]

I'm starting to wonder if Waldron has a future beyind this year if this BS continues. I honestly see him as a 3nd in command to a more seasoned, strategy oriented OC. The guy who helps conceives the plays and strategy, but isn't responsible for the chess game that pkays out on Sundays. Kind of like he was with the Rams.

It really does feel like he's trying too hard to look like the next play design genius instead of just focusing on situational play calling.

He's like the magician who tries to hide the fact that his trick is really basic, by waving is hands around all over the place, popping smoke and yelling Abrakadabra over and over. There's too much flourish and not enough substance.

I also wonder if Pete is extending too much runway to the guy in an effort to clear his own name from those who labeled him a 'grind it out', ground and pound dinosaur of an offensive strategist. And, that he's maybe asking that the offense be based too much on play action. PA is good when you have a running game to play off of. Wr look like the idiot magician when the running game isn't working, and there isn't anything Geno or any other qb can do about it.

Yep. It's about time for PC to fire another OC as a scapegoat. 10 years and how many (?) OCs later and it's been the same shot all along. Maybe it has little or nothing to do with the OC flavor of the month? I don't know.

 

[SNDavidson]

Yep , that's always been a Pete Carroll maneuver. He won't hang anyone out to dry , especially the quarterback.

I hope he has a chapter on this in a post-retirement book.

 

[Seahawks Guy]

Pete Carroll needs to look himself in the mirror and say "bloody Mary" 10 times.

 

[James in PA]

Agreed.

It also feels like the league has figured out the McVay-style motion offense. Outside of Minnesota, none of the teams running a variation of that scheme are doing well offensively.

If only Pete could figure it out when he faces McVay. Guess we will see in a couple weeks.

 

[pittpnthrs]

And i dont know what Geno can do to offset some of the poor playcalls and route designs coming in. Philosophically, we have zero identity. We dont run enough, and we can block long enough for our passing game to get uncorked. Meanwhile, we keep going to the well on long developing PA plays and bubble screens. TE use whicj was a staple last year for a stretch and highly successful against Detroit - non existent. Geno, in addition to making untimely errors, is also just not the guy to scramble around and create on his own. If the playcall is garbage, He MIGHT make something of it, but usually its just a lost play or worse, he tries to push the ball to a rook or presses in general and turns it over. If Shane cant call a better game, we arent going anywhere. Geno will execute the plays given, for better or worse.

I guess i'll open pandoras box here, but this has been going on for eons with Pete Carroll. Its convenient that the OC gets the blame, but the age old question of how much is Pete influencing the offense needs to be addressed again. How many OC's does the team need to go through with the same exact issues every season before the lightbulb lights up? Shotty at least rebelled some before he was let go for it. The same thing every single year happens over and over. That should be a simple deduction of reasoning to know the answer why. Its the reason i've been saying the team will never see the Super Bowl again under Pete Carroll unless he has all-pro's at every position and he'll never have that again.

 

[PateratoWilson]

I feel like I'm being punked. We are not in the worst part of our schedule yet.

This place is awesome though.

 

[cymatica]

I guess i'll open pandoras box here, but this has been going on for eons with Pete Carroll. Its convenient that the OC gets the blame, but the age old question of how much is Pete influencing the offense needs to be addressed again. How many OC's does the team need to go through with the same exact issues every season before the lightbulb lights up? Shotty at least rebelled some before he was let go for it. The same thing every single year happens over and over. That should be a simple deduction of reasoning to know the answer why. Its the reason i've been saying the team will never see the Super Bowl again under Pete Carroll unless he has all-pro's at every position and he'll never have that again.

If that were truly the case, I feel like we would have seen a lot more of the run game so far. When Shotty first got here, Pete had to get involved because he was going to pass heavy and wasn't giving results. Waldron, on the other hand, has a tendency to abandon the run early, which is.pretty much anti-Pete.

If anything, Pete has been giving Waldron more freedom, or it sure seems like it. I highly doubt Pete told Waldron to abandon the heavy TE sets and go 3 wr while giving JSN so many snaps. Brenden Nelson broke down the snap counts and it tells the story. Waldron prefers 3 wr sets and JSN saw 40 out of 50 snaps, while Fant saw 26, Parkinson 22, Disley 11. Look at the snap counts on the days with good offense and the TE's are much more involved. It creates mismatches which helps the run and the pass.

We are very fortunate to have 3 capable tight ends who can block and catch. Why they hell are they featuring an undersized rookie in a game we need the extra beef? The complete lack of awareness of which personell sets to run is baffling, especially considering the success they've had with multiple tight end looks. Sure I like JSN, and he has a bright future, but this was not the game to have him robbing the snap counts of our tight ends. This was the game to go all out with the TE's and sprinkle in some 2 or 3 wr sets.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

Damn, we need a win on Sunday in the biggest way

They flat out have to win these next 2 against Washington and the Clams. Get it to 7-3 before the gauntlet of: Niners, Cowboys, Niners and Eagles. That's brutal. IF they can get ot 7-3, they def. have a legit shot of playoffs. But, gotta' stack up some wins.

 

[keasley45]

I guess i'll open pandoras box here, but this has been going on for eons with Pete Carroll. Its convenient that the OC gets the blame, but the age old question of how much is Pete influencing the offense needs to be addressed again. How many OC's does the team need to go through with the same exact issues every season before the lightbulb lights up? Shotty at least rebelled some before he was let go for it. The same thing every single year happens over and over. That should be a simple deduction of reasoning to know the answer why. Its the reason i've been saying the team will never see the Super Bowl again under Pete Carroll unless he has all-pro's at every position and he'll never have that again.

I agree that Pete loves the PA game. I'll also agree that he likes to limit turnovers. But the 'it's Pete's doing' is a lazy, emotion based deduction.

When the offense was simple with basic routes, and we ran 52 / 48 vs pass, it was Pete's fault because we were running Peteball and killing Russ.

Now, we pass 55 45 and... surprise, it's Pete's fault. Oh, and BTW, the routes aren't simple, the play calling play in and play out just doesn't make sense.

When Russ didn't throw to the middle of the field it was because Pete didn't allow it. Now, we do throw to the middle and there's no acknowledgement that that theory was ever wrong.

We have gone 180 (with the exception of still liking PA) from what Pete was accused of doing and somehow, he's still the one pulling the strings.

Here's where I think Pete is failing - by being too positive in his assessment of his coordinators performance. By overlooking too often the failures in game when we win, but perform poorly, because we 'overcame'. By prioritizing giving opportunities to folks and not holding their feet to the fire enough. THAT , I think is the pretty consistent Pete problem.

Because when Waldron pulls off a win despite his plan not making sense half the game, he leans on the positive rather than getting involved and forcing the plan to make sense. And then, when the errors compound and it catches up with us, bevause our opponents see the flaws we wont, we have performances like today.

 

[Sgt. Largent]

It's on to the Commanders. Throw this out in the trash and move on.

I agree, and if the Hawks can't get right over the next couple of weeks before the gauntlet of extremely difficult games?

We're in big trouble. Both the Commanders and Rams are a hot mess, no reason it's not time for this team to get pissed off and take it out on these next two opponents.