Pay Kam

[tacomahawk]

Even if we were to go 0-16, I don't want the FO to pay him one penny more. He can go kick rocks, and is the one being "petty"

 

[Uncle Si]

Step away from the keyboard. The Hawks FO not be so arrogant? Have you followed this story at all? Kam is the one looking arrogant here.

No...Kam is being greedy and selfish. The FO still needs to get the deal done.

No they don't.

When will they? At 1-3, maybe 1-4. Without Kam I know we're going 0-2. Lions will light this current secondary up putting us at a possible 1-3. @Bengals who looked dominant yesterday on the road the following week at 10am. We could easily be 1-4 going into week 6. Maybe then some of you will remove the goggles and realize what Kam means to this team.

Jesus...

we all know what Kam means to the team. None of us think he's the absolute difference between 1-0 and 0-1, let alone 1-4 and 4-1.

You're running from thread to thread postulating your assumptions about a slide into the abyss, frantically calling for the FO to pay one person to save a season that has barely begun and shouting down anyone who doesn't agree that Kam is the difference between the #1 pick in the draft and a Super Bowl. You can't sell it, and you think shouting louder or more often somehow how makes you more right.

This team has been built on balance. It has succeeded on that premise and will continue to do so, even if one of its star players feels he deserves a bit more.

I can say this, our season success is not going to be determined by the safety. It doesn't help. But to assert this team has no chance to win games because a safety is missing is the same as screaming frantically that the universe only has 14 billion years left.... You can't possibly know for sure and are lobbying to get others on your side to make you at ease with it.

 

[HawkMeat]

The NFL teams can cut a guy and just forget about the contract anytime they want. If a player can't live up to his contract, they void it. But didn't THEY agree to a contract too? But an employee try to do the same and everyone is yelling Screw Kam. Well, he has a right to do the exact opposite of what the team would do to him.

He's playing ABOVE contract, so he's voiding it, just like they'd do if he played BELOW it.

Yeah, thats not true, not even a little bit. Someone doesn't have a firm grasp on contract rules in the NFL...

Thank you. I am glad someone told him

 

[Largent80]

When will they? At 1-3, maybe 1-4. Without Kam I know we're going 0-2. Lions will light this current secondary up putting us at a possible 1-3. @Bengals who looked dominant yesterday on the road the following week at 10am. We could easily be 1-4 going into week 6. Maybe then some of you will remove the goggles and realize what Kam means to this team.

We lost at STL WITH Kam last year. Hell we've lost 4 of 5 games down there with PC. I love Kam as a player he adds a lot to the defense. We did not lose yesterday because Kam was gone. Could we have won if he was there? Sure, but a similar outcome wouldn't have surprised me either. We are nor bullet proof with Kam, history has shown that.

I think some people forgot how much parity there is in the NFL. They spend so much time on their own team, they don't notice another team positioning itself well, or where their strengths and weakness lie. STL is a GOOD team, and their coaching staff has had the Hawks number. Why people assume we have no chance of losing, and when we do they freak out, is beyond me. This is the NFL, the other team is paid as well.

Even IF we lose next week, everything is still on the table. Kam can either be apart of that or not, at this point.

THIS right here. I friggin KNEW that if we lost the game it would all be about Chancellor. Of course the loss had nothing to do with our inept tackling, shoddy online play and abysmal play selection or even the rams defense.

 

[Hawkfan77]

THIS right here. I friggin KNEW that if we lost the game it would all be about Chancellor. Of course the loss had nothing to do with our inept tackling, shoddy online play and abysmal play selection or even the rams defense.

Nope, because kam

 

[Hawkfan77]

You're right. And we can feel good about holding our ground in a year or two when our Super Bowl window is closed.

 

[CodeWarrior]

You're right. And we can feel good about holding our ground in a year or two when our Super Bowl window is closed.

So you disagree with the biggest move this FO has made, then? There's only one required ingredient to be in the SB conversation consistently these days, and that's an upper tier QB. Is that what Russell Wilson is? Your prior opinions indicate not.

Yes...I definitely disagree that only one ingredient is needed to win the Super Bowl. How many did Dan Marino win?

Dan Marino only proves my point. With Marino the Dolphins were always in SB contention. Why? Because they had an upper tier QB. Marino played in 18 playoff games dispersed evenly throughout his career. He's the player that had them there.

 

[Uncle Si]

You're right. And we can feel good about holding our ground in a year or two when our Super Bowl window is closed.

So you disagree with the biggest move this FO has made, then? There's only one required ingredient to be in the SB conversation consistently these days, and that's an upper tier QB. Is that what Russell Wilson is? Your prior opinions indicate not.

Yes...I definitely disagree that only one ingredient is needed to win the Super Bowl. How many did Dan Marino win?

Dan Marino only proves my point. With Marino the Dolphins were always in SB contention. Why? Because they had an upper tier QB. Marino played in 18 playoff games dispersed evenly throughout his career. He's the player that had them there.

They had an upper tier QB, an outstanding WR core and one hell of a defense.

But yeah.... Marino.

There is also a massive difference between the QB and a safety. No offense to Kam or his position, but the two aren't that close in terms of impact on a game.

For the most part, the pieces are in place for this team to be in SB contention year in and year out for some time now.

 

[Sgt. Largent]

When will they? At 1-3, maybe 1-4. Without Kam I know we're going 0-2. Lions will light this current secondary up putting us at a possible 1-3. @Bengals who looked dominant yesterday on the road the following week at 10am. We could easily be 1-4 going into week 6. Maybe then some of you will remove the goggles and realize what Kam means to this team.

Never, never is the answer.

This isn't about wins or losses, it's about opening a Pandora's box of precedent caving into Kam's demands.

IF you pay Kam, then now or next off season you'll have 10-15 guys in John's office demanding new deals and future money moved into 2016 and 2017. It's a nightmare scenario for precedent, it's just not done.

 

[andyh64000]

You're right. And we can feel good about holding our ground in a year or two when our Super Bowl window is closed.

So you disagree with the biggest move this FO has made, then? There's only one required ingredient to be in the SB conversation consistently these days, and that's an upper tier QB. Is that what Russell Wilson is? Your prior opinions indicate not.

Yes...I definitely disagree that only one ingredient is needed to win the Super Bowl. How many did Dan Marino win?

Dan Marino only proves my point. With Marino the Dolphins were always in SB contention. Why? Because they had an upper tier QB. Marino played in 18 playoff games dispersed evenly throughout his career. He's the player that had them there.

Not really. Dan Marino made it to exactly one Super Bowl and that year was the best defense Miami had during his career (best defense in the AFC that year). The only other times where they would have been in the discussion to make it back (84 and 85) Miami had a good defenses.

Also, sorry...I love Russ be he is no Dan Marino.

 

[Exittium]

Good read by adam levine

http://q13fox.com/2015/09/13/commen...than-halfway-chancellor-should-take-the-deal/

 

[getnasty]

Pete made it clear on Brock and Salk this morning, there moving on without him.

 

[ZagHawk]

If we're wishing, why wish we pay Kam? why not wish Kam realizes he's being selfish and just reports to work and says "My Bad, now lets win a SB"

 

[JimmyG]

This isn't about wins or losses, it's about opening a Pandora's box of precedent caving into Kam's demands.

IF you pay Kam, then now or next off season you'll have 10-15 guys in John's office demanding new deals and future money moved into 2016 and 2017. It's a nightmare scenario for precedent, it's just not done.

I agree, it's all about precedent. One can't help but wonder if Kam/Bennett a result of caving* to Lynch last season? If so, it lends credence to the "don't set a precedent" idea.

* the front office claims they didn't "cave" to Lynch, that it was an unwritten agreement they had already, etc... hard to gauge the truth of that, though -- it might just be a spin they're putting on it in an attempt to pacify or deter future copycats. If they did cave, admitting it publicly does them zero good.

 

[AVL]

I think Kam is hiding a head injury from himself.

Quit picking on him. Let's just ignore him until he crawls back or retires.

K?

 

[BadgerVid]

What is frustrating for me is Kam isn't asking to be paid more money...he wants next year guaranteed and to move some of 2017 into 2016 and apparently they got pretty close. The Hawks front office has to find a way to get that deal done and not be so arrogant with the "next man up...we will be fine" BS. That doesn't work when you're dealing with the best player at his position in the entire league.

And, if he succeeds and they move that money, do you really expect Kam to play '17 for the small salary that will be left? After he has shown what commitments actually mean to him? You can bet he would be demanding substantially more after the '16 season...so, in effect, he IS asking for substantially more money and anyone who doesn't see that is either blind or doesn't want to see.

 

[c_hawkbob]

If we're wishing, why wish we pay Kam? why not wish Kam realizes he's being selfish and just reports to work and says "My Bad, now lets win a SB"

Is it OK to do both?

 

[Basis4day]

This isn't about wins or losses, it's about opening a Pandora's box of precedent caving into Kam's demands.

IF you pay Kam, then now or next off season you'll have 10-15 guys in John's office demanding new deals and future money moved into 2016 and 2017. It's a nightmare scenario for precedent, it's just not done.

I agree, it's all about precedent. One can't help but wonder if Kam/Bennett a result of caving* to Lynch last season? If so, it lends credence to the "don't set a precedent" idea.

* the front office claims they didn't "cave" to Lynch, that it was an unwritten agreement they had already, etc... hard to gauge the truth of that, though -- it might just be a spin they're putting on it in an attempt to pacify or deter future copycats. If they did cave, admitting it publicly does them zero good.

Lynch wasn't the first player to hold out under PC/JS. Chris Clemmons was prior to the start of 2012 season.

 

[Hawkfan77]

If we're wishing, why wish we pay Kam? why not wish Kam realizes he's being selfish and just reports to work and says "My Bad, now lets win a SB"

Is it OK to do both?

No because paying Kam hurts our cap and a bad cap is the best way to ruin and destroy the core of the team and close our SB window

 

[andyh64000]

If we're wishing, why wish we pay Kam? why not wish Kam realizes he's being selfish and just reports to work and says "My Bad, now lets win a SB"

Sure...I would be thrilled with that. I just can't see it happening either.

I blame Kam and his agent for this mess but since the Hawk FO came close to making a deal I think they share some blame for not getting it done. Now both sides are too worried about how things would look.

And I don't buy "10-15" players trying to get their contracts redone...we are talking about the best player at his position in the NFL and he has no more guaranteed money. If someone else who is the best at their position in the NFL is in the same scenario of being underpaid and with no more guaranteed money and just wants next year guaranteed then make that deal as well.

And precedent...uhhh didn't we already break that last year with Lynch?